In most of the UK just use your basic skills, maintain your safety, the patients safety, follow the ABCs/control blood loss and call for help, its not rocket science
how many of us are first aid trained?
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very dependant on environment. What a paramedic / first responce doctor might in an urban setting is potenital different down a cave or on a hill side in the dead of night when its blowing a howlie.
A how differnet set of factors have to be considered in addition to ABC etc- hypothermia and evacuation for a start. A number of "normal" proceedure are not practical or possible in an outdoor "wild" setting.
A 2 mile carry off of a casualty across rough terrrain seriously affects your course of actions even with a full team.
Basic first aid training is a good idea for every as a STARTING point. However, if you are seriously going to doing outdoors stuff addition training should be considered.
A how differnet set of factors have to be considered in addition to ABC etc- hypothermia and evacuation for a start. A number of "normal" proceedure are not practical or possible in an outdoor "wild" setting.
A 2 mile carry off of a casualty across rough terrrain seriously affects your course of actions even with a full team.
Basic first aid training is a good idea for every as a STARTING point. However, if you are seriously going to doing outdoors stuff addition training should be considered.
Ex Trauma & Orthopaedics ODP from some years ago, with basic 3-day FAW (lapsed over last 4 years). Seen more nightime RTA's that didn't make it than I care to remember. People really should look for cyclists a bit more, and cyclists should defo have to pass some sort of basic theory test. Life's a lot less fun with no legs.
Off to do the 4-day AEFA course through BCUK/Forest Knights in a few weeks. Really looking forward to it! Hope I never have to use it though.
Off to do the 4-day AEFA course through BCUK/Forest Knights in a few weeks. Really looking forward to it! Hope I never have to use it though.
I did a one-day course a couple of years back. Where I work we have a wide range of hazards associated with powered machinery, flammable liquids, powered hand tools, high pressure fluids and chemicals of varying degrees of nastiness, all of which are capable of different types of damage, and that's before we even get out of the shed. Then there's the broken bones from slip-ups on the rough terrain (at least one per year) and the ever-present hazard of flying golf balls.
Just remember the easily rememberable mnemonic
DRAVPUAc-spineBCDEF
D-Danger
R-Response
AVPU-Quick and dirty form of GCS assesment, Alert, Voice, Pain, Unresponsive
A-Airway, with c-spine consideration
B-Breathing
C-Circulation
D-Deformity/Damage
E-Exposure
F-Fractures
Do I get any points for spelling Mnemonmic, memoni.... mnmnmnenmo.....oh bugger......
DRAVPUAc-spineBCDEF
D-Danger
R-Response
AVPU-Quick and dirty form of GCS assesment, Alert, Voice, Pain, Unresponsive
A-Airway, with c-spine consideration
B-Breathing
C-Circulation
D-Deformity/Damage
E-Exposure
F-Fractures
Do I get any points for spelling Mnemonmic, memoni.... mnmnmnenmo.....oh bugger......
basp 2 day emergency swift water rescue technician both up for renewal this summer wooopee thank the the gods for work training budgets
In most of the UK just use your basic skills, maintain your safety, the patients safety, follow the ABCs/control blood loss and call for help, its not rocket science
It's medical science
thats fine if you know what all those are and how to deal with what you find (i do) if you have no formal, or just have basic first aid training its a bit much to remember, its easier to stick to ABC (airway, breathing, circulation) but have an awareness of mechanism of injury - i.e falling 25 foot out of a tree could mean serious fractures or internal injuries. if in doubt, shout. (get help)
I tend to go with DRABC - purely on the basis that we ended up retrieving casualties who were very keen to be rescuers but missed that there was something that caught the original casualty out.
First rule - Don't become a casualty yourself!
Slight digression, as a 10 year old I did my cycling proficency, sadly in our quest for camera led 'safety enforcement' the old council safety officers who ran these or taught teachers how to run it have had funding cut or as in Essex been completely disbanded.
First rule - Don't become a casualty yourself!
Slight digression, as a 10 year old I did my cycling proficency, sadly in our quest for camera led 'safety enforcement' the old council safety officers who ran these or taught teachers how to run it have had funding cut or as in Essex been completely disbanded.
My specialisations are lifeguarding and PADI Rescue Diver. My next goal in terms of first aid is Foundation Safety and Rescue for whitewater emergencies. My career aspirations are in the outdoor industry so first-aid quals are very important.
Ex leading Medic with the Royal navy,7years various courses and quals barts and battles type stuff so have stuck chest drains in and other minor ops
EMT cert,Remote EMT cert,Dive Medic cert,off shore Medic via Interdive as part of my resettlement.
this is some years ago left in 2000,so rusty and the protocols change so much but still have the ability to fix the broken i hope
EMT cert,Remote EMT cert,Dive Medic cert,off shore Medic via Interdive as part of my resettlement.
this is some years ago left in 2000,so rusty and the protocols change so much but still have the ability to fix the broken i hope
Just completed Advanced Explorer First Aid course (four day) with Forest Knights in West Sussex. Excellent course, well-informed tuition and realistic simulation exercises made this one of the best first aid courses I've taken.
If this had been classroom based my mind would probably gone for its usual wander, but since it was held in a woodland bushcraft setting it concentrated the mind no end. The final night simulation exercise with multiple casualties in multiple locations is one that I will remember for a very long while. Highly recommended!
If this had been classroom based my mind would probably gone for its usual wander, but since it was held in a woodland bushcraft setting it concentrated the mind no end. The final night simulation exercise with multiple casualties in multiple locations is one that I will remember for a very long while. Highly recommended!
Agree - they bl**dy should! I was knocked over 3 weeks ago, T-boned at a road junction in broad daylight. Driver said they didn't see me and tried to say that I was riding on the pavement but was rightly charged with careless driving (thank you Clyde Constabulary). However, I strongly suspect that I will not get the satisfaction of a good court outcome: law is stacked against the cyclist (discuss).
Before the rants start: I am a driver; I am an experienced road and off-road cyclist; I stop for red lights; I don't ride on the pavement; I have lights and I use them; I wear a helmet. The latter was especially important as I landed on my head. I have been commuting in cities (including Central London) for 14 years and this is the first time I have ever been knocked over. Bike and helmet are write-offs. Scar on head and still have mild shoulder pain - I reckon I got away lightly.
Back on topic: combat med trained, annual first aid tests in the military, and now Lifesavers 'First Aid at Work' thing too. As I lay on the ground after the accident, I remembered my training and effectively assessed myself as people panicked around me. Paramedic pitched up really quickly (said I'd done his job for him!) and was great, as were ambulance crew. Great bit of Glaswegian first aid as bystander tried to pull me (by my injured arm) to my feet "Eh, y'all reet pal? Eh?"
I am glad I had done all the various training because I felt I was able to direct people around me and was possibly the calmest person on scene - and spent a fair bit of time trying to reassure the driver. What concerned me was that no-one else there (7-8 bystanders) knew what to do beyond calling an ambulance. I worry what would have happened if I'd been unconscious. What do people think of compulsory first aid training at school?
Oh - there is a cycling test called the 'cycling proficiency test'. Unfortunately, it is not compulsory and there is no theory test. Technically, a cyclist can go out on the road and have no knowledge of the Highway Code. Amazing.
The wearing of helmets, despite the evidence (peer-reviewed and anecdotal), is not compulsory either. Sigh.
Glad your ok mate,id love to cycle on the roads but tbh im not brave enough or skilled enough to get around the modern traffic and highways,having said that im getting a couple of soft trail type mountain bikes for the wife and I,to get some exercise and get out the house more but we will stick to off road trails.
Good for you, mate.
It's easy to see how, if the road's were safer, how many more people would cycle. It's a catch 22: people want to bike to work to reduce car use; but there's too many cars, so a lot of people won't bike.
Enjoy the trails!
It's easy to see how, if the road's were safer, how many more people would cycle. It's a catch 22: people want to bike to work to reduce car use; but there's too many cars, so a lot of people won't bike.
Enjoy the trails!
Thanks mate,tbh id love to reduce car use overall ,not just to be green but i did enjoy driving but thats rare now as IMHO the roads are becoming more and more unsafe,too many cars lead to lack driving and reduced common sense.
maybe thats why long walks are becoming more uncommon yet to me more favorable
maybe thats why long walks are becoming more uncommon yet to me more favorable
christ you were lucky!
As for helmets, i think it shoudl be law, and i think basic first aid should be taught in schools as i to have had occasion to be amazed at how little people know.
inaction = death, can you imagine if you were unconscious with a compromised airway?
*shudder*
As for helmets, i think it shoudl be law, and i think basic first aid should be taught in schools as i to have had occasion to be amazed at how little people know.
inaction = death, can you imagine if you were unconscious with a compromised airway?
*shudder*
I'm a Paramedic if that's any use to anyone. BTW, 1st post on the forum so a big 'Hello' to one and all.
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