Also worth mentioning is this is not the first time something like this has happened, injured Soldiers that were placed recently in civilian hospitals were given abuse by the general public, what more can you say.
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mrs m pointed this story out to me yesterday and I'm having a lot of difficully believing it. As someone who was (moderately seriously) injured whilst on active service I am utterly shocked at the attitude of those women. However, I really want to believe that there is more to this than meets the eye, one thing we can be sure of is never getting the whole truth from the media, I almost refuse (in the face of much of the avilable evidence) to believe that they are people that callous and cruel in this country.
Hi Red,
Words fail me and many others...Have made a donation directly to http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/index.html
Hope some more will feel as I did and dig deep...
And also for anyone who wants to send something to the guys and girls in the current war zones this Christmas here are a few pointers...
Instructions for Soldiers Surprise Supplies
Please send items that do not melt -- it is very hot
For example:
non-chocolate biscuits
gingerbread or malt loaf
flapjacks
anything in a tube, vacuum packed or tinned (toffee sauce, condensed milk, salsa dips)
cheese straws
cream cheese
fish paste
chutneys
chorizo sausages or dried meat
dried fruit and nuts
mint imperials
chewing gum
Haribo, Jelly Babies, etc.
Soduko books
Nuts, Zoo and FHM magazines
They have to drink vast quantities of water -- so any powder flavourings in a package like Berocca, Vitamin C sachets etc
pick n mix sweets
I am sure there is much more so just use your imagination!
ALCOHOL AND PORN IS NOT PERMITTED!!!
Please do write an encouraging message on a card, but please sign your card by Christian name only and do not give your address as we do not want any obligation regarding thank-you letters.
The easiest method of sending these parcels is to use a large padded envelope but any form of parcel is fine, as long as it does not exceed 2 kilos. They are very strict on this! Tape it up firmly and write one of the following addresses clearly on a label :
A British Soldier
c/o J I Branch
HQ MND (SE)
Op Telic
BFPO 641
OR
A British Soldier
c/o Capt S Beattie MBE SO3 J I
HQ Task Force Helmand
Lashkar Gar
BFPO 715
Take the parcel to a post office. Parcels generally take about 5 days. THANK YOU!!!
All the best with all you do to raise some cash for these HERO's
LS
Words fail me and many others...Have made a donation directly to http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/index.html
Hope some more will feel as I did and dig deep...
And also for anyone who wants to send something to the guys and girls in the current war zones this Christmas here are a few pointers...
Instructions for Soldiers Surprise Supplies
Please send items that do not melt -- it is very hot
For example:
non-chocolate biscuits
gingerbread or malt loaf
flapjacks
anything in a tube, vacuum packed or tinned (toffee sauce, condensed milk, salsa dips)
cheese straws
cream cheese
fish paste
chutneys
chorizo sausages or dried meat
dried fruit and nuts
mint imperials
chewing gum
Haribo, Jelly Babies, etc.
Soduko books
Nuts, Zoo and FHM magazines
They have to drink vast quantities of water -- so any powder flavourings in a package like Berocca, Vitamin C sachets etc
pick n mix sweets
I am sure there is much more so just use your imagination!
ALCOHOL AND PORN IS NOT PERMITTED!!!
Please do write an encouraging message on a card, but please sign your card by Christian name only and do not give your address as we do not want any obligation regarding thank-you letters.
The easiest method of sending these parcels is to use a large padded envelope but any form of parcel is fine, as long as it does not exceed 2 kilos. They are very strict on this! Tape it up firmly and write one of the following addresses clearly on a label :
A British Soldier
c/o J I Branch
HQ MND (SE)
Op Telic
BFPO 641
OR
A British Soldier
c/o Capt S Beattie MBE SO3 J I
HQ Task Force Helmand
Lashkar Gar
BFPO 715
Take the parcel to a post office. Parcels generally take about 5 days. THANK YOU!!!
All the best with all you do to raise some cash for these HERO's
LS
Appalling mentallity, unfortunately i see more of these " people" everyday shouting in the streets, shouting in the shops and shouting at their dragged up children!!!
Guys - thanks for al the kind words - I will make it my business to ensure those who need to hear them, get to hear what you say.
There is another great item to bid on here
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26448
To all who have offered other items or services, please PM me any words or pictures you would like me to include with your offer and I would be humbled to post it up
Thank You all - really - you restore my faith in humanity
Red
There is another great item to bid on here
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26448
To all who have offered other items or services, please PM me any words or pictures you would like me to include with your offer and I would be humbled to post it up
Thank You all - really - you restore my faith in humanity
Red
I've just waved my Dad off. Last week he returned from Helmand and went to get on a train. One of the Corporals sad - 'Sir, we strongly advise you not to travel in uniform'. Dad quoyed standing orders, travel on return from active duty done in uniform.
Not so - very recently changed after poeple slapping soldiers around the face after they have come back from active service.
He had to buy clothes from the Tesco by the station to get home.
I have no money, but VERY close links to several people in harms way. I will find someting to add to the pot.
Not so - very recently changed after poeple slapping soldiers around the face after they have come back from active service.
He had to buy clothes from the Tesco by the station to get home.
I have no money, but VERY close links to several people in harms way. I will find someting to add to the pot.
MagiKelly
Making memories since '67
I saw this posted on B and managed to resist posting as I would have gone right off on one. Whatever your thoughts about war in general or current wars in particular no one should have anything but the utmost respect for those who risk their lives to protect us.
I just can't find sufficient words to express my contempt and gratitude all in one post.
I'll come up with something to throw into the pot.
Ogri the trog
I'll come up with something to throw into the pot.
Ogri the trog
You really must get a link for this so I can spread it around.
But I wont be donating, as as usual I have no money (you all know why)
I dont believe that the millitary should be getting preferential treatment anyway. (says she who has a chip on her shoulder because she cant join the TA....nor, come to think of it, am I particulary interested in joining an organisation one of whos selling points is subsidised booze, and I doubt they have the cider I like anyway.)
But I wont be donating, as as usual I have no money (you all know why)
I dont believe that the millitary should be getting preferential treatment anyway. (says she who has a chip on her shoulder because she cant join the TA....nor, come to think of it, am I particulary interested in joining an organisation one of whos selling points is subsidised booze, and I doubt they have the cider I like anyway.)
Here is your link Tengu
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/22/narmy322.xml
As for not understanding why a disabled person who became so fighting for the rest of us needs some special treatment. Well, for me, when a man has no legs because he fought for his country, and someones little "Tristram" wants to swim in the lane the guy or girl needs for his therapy, its not much of a contest. The preferential treatment in question is the use of the facilities we have all paid for. Do we want them used for the treatment of injured service people or the swimming lessons of some spoiled brat who doesn't want to share the rest of the pool.
Seriously, if you want to argue with me about who gets the priority there, Tony will take my membership for my next post
Red
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/22/narmy322.xml
As for not understanding why a disabled person who became so fighting for the rest of us needs some special treatment. Well, for me, when a man has no legs because he fought for his country, and someones little "Tristram" wants to swim in the lane the guy or girl needs for his therapy, its not much of a contest. The preferential treatment in question is the use of the facilities we have all paid for. Do we want them used for the treatment of injured service people or the swimming lessons of some spoiled brat who doesn't want to share the rest of the pool.
Seriously, if you want to argue with me about who gets the priority there, Tony will take my membership for my next post
Red
Yes, British Red banned for his preference of ex-servicemen over R soles is the day I stop posting
Yes, British Red banned for his preference of ex-servicemen over R soles is the day I stop posting
Hear Hear!!!!
nuff said
The woman in question is obviouly to wrapped up in her own little world, driving her 'Chelsea tractor', doing 'lunch', taking 'Tristan' to the pool, that she would never see someone else's point of view.
Met her sort before, she's the minority, and not worth wasting your breath on.
Met her sort before, she's the minority, and not worth wasting your breath on.
Count me in. We were called up for the Falklands and me and so many of my pals were fine. The guys and their families who truly suffered have lessons to teach us all about integrity and duty.
Any attempt to refuse access to facilities to our heroes must be stopped. The shallow , mindless crowd who would find a damaged veteran too scary for their protected little ones need educating. Their parental instinct is valid, however there is a lot more which needs to be explained to them.
I am just coming down from Livid.. It has taken me ages to calm down and hopefully make a balanced reply. I s this a problem which requires a concerted effort of letter writing and political lobbying?
I'm up for it. Explaining what our life would be like without the effort our veterans made on our behalf surprises a lot of complacent numpties whose sole focus is on the big mortgage and tristan's school fees.
OOps, Rant over. Red you still rock.
George
Any attempt to refuse access to facilities to our heroes must be stopped. The shallow , mindless crowd who would find a damaged veteran too scary for their protected little ones need educating. Their parental instinct is valid, however there is a lot more which needs to be explained to them.
I am just coming down from Livid.. It has taken me ages to calm down and hopefully make a balanced reply. I s this a problem which requires a concerted effort of letter writing and political lobbying?
I'm up for it. Explaining what our life would be like without the effort our veterans made on our behalf surprises a lot of complacent numpties whose sole focus is on the big mortgage and tristan's school fees.
OOps, Rant over. Red you still rock.
George
I cannot afford to bid in auctions at this time, but will certainly be doing all I can to spread the word, already sent some emails.
Kudos to all who are putting up items for auction.
People may or may not think the war is 'right' but this sort of treatment of our troops is entirely unacceptable.
Kudos to all who are putting up items for auction.
People may or may not think the war is 'right' but this sort of treatment of our troops is entirely unacceptable.
These service men and women who need these facilities are NOT NECESSARILY those injured in battle, these guys and girls get injured and killed in peace time as well as on the battle-ground...
I have known many people injured whilst in the services, and our Clerk was killed in a car crash just outside of RAF Catterick when I was with the RAF Regiment back in 1982.
I would rather put a lifetime behind these people supporting them the best I can than be in front of them for five minutes whilst they "at work".
LS
I have known many people injured whilst in the services, and our Clerk was killed in a car crash just outside of RAF Catterick when I was with the RAF Regiment back in 1982.
I would rather put a lifetime behind these people supporting them the best I can than be in front of them for five minutes whilst they "at work".
LS
As someone living not a million miles from Leatherhead I was particularly upset by this- especially after Guildford got its act together and actually welcomed troops back last week.
It strikes me that this is wrong on 2 levels. The points with regard to service personnel have been put eloquently and I can only agree with them.
On an even more human level, the idea of a person being driven from a public place by another, simply because they are disabled, in 2007. That hurts. What is the next step in these individuals minds?
Kind of makes a mockery of the rest of us really. Not sure whether to cry and hit something.
Rich
It strikes me that this is wrong on 2 levels. The points with regard to service personnel have been put eloquently and I can only agree with them.
On an even more human level, the idea of a person being driven from a public place by another, simply because they are disabled, in 2007. That hurts. What is the next step in these individuals minds?
Kind of makes a mockery of the rest of us really. Not sure whether to cry and hit something.
Rich
I've been doing a bit of hunting on Google to try and get some more information on this story, but pretty well everything is simply a re-quote of the original one. Many of the stories have readers' comments and I haven't yet seen one comment that supports the women who made the fuss. And that says a lot to me. The decent folk stay in the background, but they come quietly out of the woodwork (maybe not so quietly in Red's case!) when called upon to do so. Look how many people have offered support on this forum in a period of less than 24 hours. Consider the balance - two inconsiderate women, hundreds of considerate folk. Maybe the world isn't that bad a place - it's just that we rarely hear about the many unsung heroes. And those two women have unintentionally provided a huge publicity boost for the Help for Heroes appeal.
Even if the women aren't named publicly, the story will get around Leatherhead. People will know who they are, they will be shunned. They may well have shot themselves in the foot, can they ever show their faces again at the leisure centre?
Geoff
Even if the women aren't named publicly, the story will get around Leatherhead. People will know who they are, they will be shunned. They may well have shot themselves in the foot, can they ever show their faces again at the leisure centre?
Geoff
Red, I dont really know what to say on this as pretty much all my feelings have already been posted, I have been speaking to my wife about this and she agrees with me that the moral thing that these women should have done was to take their children out of the pool if they were that concerned, I feel ashamed that they did not react in this way and showed total disrespect for what the injured service men and women had done for them and their children. Me and my wife shall try to contribute in some way, my wife is going to ask for their money they raise at work each week goes to the charity.
Simon & Janet.
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