cbr6fs, you continue to shout out your "Facts" however at no point have you provided any evidence, only opinion. I have provided evidence and references to counter your highly vocal claims yet you choose to ignore them.
The heat pal rik will be using is designed for heating small spaces such as boats and tents and I have never head any problems with people using them who know what they are doing.
I wouldn't mind your opinion if you were not so forceful in trying to convince people of your opinion by packaging it as fact and you insistance at insulting people (mainly me) in your posts for no reason.
One last repeat of key information. It is common advice to use a candle in a snow cave etc to provide light, heat and and indication your air vent is blocked. Please watch the video I posted on page 2 for this advice straight from Ray Mears.
Reread my posts and i believe i've made my points perfectly clear.
I've quoted your mistakes and tried to clarify any confusion.
As i've done this you've refused all logic, taken parts of what i said out of context and exaggerated others.
You are on the internet, if you search and look for answers they are out there, it's basic physics and chemistry we are talking here, not some black magic.
I've read it, does my head in to be honest, the way people talk you'd think methanol was on a par with Uranium, utter tosh. I'll be using methanol in the Heatpal and I have absolutely zero, nada, not one worry about doing so; I won't drink it, won't wash in it, just burn it.
A familiar name over there spouting off the same as here, like a
Richard,
I assumed we were reasonable adults having a reasonable adult discussion, yet again you take a well presented opinion, based upon scientific facts, not to mention COSHH and the warnings the producers print on the labels, then misquote and exaggerate to ridiculous proportions, in some weird attempt to claw back some points in a game where no one is counting or cares.
Please point out to me where i said Methanol is on par with Uranium, in fact please point out where i insinuated to, it even in the slightest degree.
Absolutely ridiculous, childish and very very disappointing.
It's the same here.
There was some confusion between CO2 and CO which i believe i've clarified.
There was a inaccurate post stating that a candle would go out, again i hope i've made it clear you'd be dead before it did.
We can buy sleeping bags that will keep you toasty warm in all but the most severe conditions anywhere on the planet, never mind a UK winter.
It's been shown that the heat output from a candle is insignificant.
So i have an opinion that, in a normal type tent that's not designed for heating devices, it's better to buy the correct equipment (i.e, correctly rated sleeping bag, head torch) rather than risk CO poisoning by improvising some form of in-tent heating device.
You have a different opinion that's up to you.
My opinion is we should be careful on what we "advise" as we don't know who will be reading at a later date.
As an example, how would you feel if you saw your grandkids in the garden playing with Methanol, because they read your post that ALL it's dangers are exaggerated.
Likewise would you let your grandkids sleep in a tent with a candle lit all night.
My guess is no.
Is my opinion really THAT extreme, all i'm saying is if you have little experience with chemicals just slip on a pair of gloves and eye protection.
It takes seconds for me and i've only got 1 arm that works.
Is my opinion THAT extreme that i don't advise people to have a naked flame in their tent, unless they tale certain precautions.
Is it THAT extreme that people should be very very very careful with any fossil fuelled heating device in a tent?
Sure old farts like us might have done worse, BUT it's not only old farts like us that read these threads, we have to think that a fair amount of kids are on here and will read this thread in the future.
Kids with little or no understanding of CO poisoning, basic health and safety and little in the way of common sense if my teenage yeas were anything to go by.
So i take exception to posts like "well you're still alive so is that not enough proof, did you feel ill?"
Is THAT such an extreme opinion really?
Cheers
Mark