bushcrafters or gear geeks?
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Товарищ спасибо, имел, наблюдают, что участок, который Вы поднимаете, я интересую gorka D (холм, но только пальто, которое я пошлю электронной почте им.
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i would love to be a gear geek, but i cant afford to be .... prices for stuff ... wittttttttttt
*wades in*
I find it kinda odd, that on one hand, people are arguing that Bushcraft is about the skills practiced by indigenous peoples, at some time in the past or present depending on location (and other things) in a way of life that includes, largely, living off the land. And on the other hand is people saying that it's camping
Now I'm not saying that either's wrong. I just find it funny.
I would say, much as I hate to, that Bushcraft is indeed a way of life, rather than something one sets out to do. Thus, I don't think Bushcrafters are campers, I don't think camping is a prerequisite, it just happens that a lot of bushcrafters don't live in the wilderness so they have to go camping Are nomadic hunter gatherers 'campers'? It tickles me
However, I would agree, that most people here are hobbyists, and likely as much camper as bushcrafter, or more. I don't see why it's a problem, though.
And if nobody talked about kit - no offence y'all - but this would sure as hell be a quiet forum. Bushcrafting skills have been relatively constant for millenia and demand much less discussion.
Breakdown:
Edged tools has most threads at 4,640.
Then Bushcraft chatter at 3947
Other chatter at 3925
DIY & Trad crafts at 3613
Kit chatter at 3278
Somewhere down the line, BC and Survival Skills has 1883
Get my drift? The Bushcraft and Survival skills content is great, but there's less to talk about because the basic principles are fixed, and many of the skills are too. There's always new kit.
This is, of course, coming from someone who can't afford expensive kit, and I'm not even kinda slightly almost barely interested in reading about which backpack has the most side pockets and which water bladder tastes least like plastic.
I don't like the term Bushcraft either. I think it's a meagre attempt to put a label on a massive range of skills that would probably be better called, by those who need them, 'life'. Hence why I think arguing over/getting snobby about it/getting angry about it it is pointless, and why I hated attempting to define it
*wades out*
*wades back in*
PS: My above laughter wasn't an attempt at being condescending, and I know that nobody was calling nomadic hunter gatherers 'campers' Just in case, yknow!
*wades back out*
I find it kinda odd, that on one hand, people are arguing that Bushcraft is about the skills practiced by indigenous peoples, at some time in the past or present depending on location (and other things) in a way of life that includes, largely, living off the land. And on the other hand is people saying that it's camping
Now I'm not saying that either's wrong. I just find it funny.
I would say, much as I hate to, that Bushcraft is indeed a way of life, rather than something one sets out to do. Thus, I don't think Bushcrafters are campers, I don't think camping is a prerequisite, it just happens that a lot of bushcrafters don't live in the wilderness so they have to go camping
Are nomadic hunter gatherers 'campers'? It tickles me However, I would agree, that most people here are hobbyists, and likely as much camper as bushcrafter, or more. I don't see why it's a problem, though.
And if nobody talked about kit - no offence y'all - but this would sure as hell be a quiet forum. Bushcrafting skills have been relatively constant for millenia and demand much less discussion.
Breakdown:
Edged tools has most threads at 4,640.
Then Bushcraft chatter at 3947
Other chatter at 3925
DIY & Trad crafts at 3613
Kit chatter at 3278
Somewhere down the line, BC and Survival Skills has 1883
Get my drift? The Bushcraft and Survival skills content is great, but there's less to talk about because the basic principles are fixed, and many of the skills are too. There's always new kit.
This is, of course, coming from someone who can't afford expensive kit, and I'm not even kinda slightly almost barely interested in reading about which backpack has the most side pockets and which water bladder tastes least like plastic.
I don't like the term Bushcraft either. I think it's a meagre attempt to put a label on a massive range of skills that would probably be better called, by those who need them, 'life'. Hence why I think arguing over/getting snobby about it/getting angry about it it is pointless, and why I hated attempting to define it
*wades out*
*wades back in*
PS: My above laughter wasn't an attempt at being condescending, and I know that nobody was calling nomadic hunter gatherers 'campers'
Just in case, yknow!*wades back out*
Can you have Gear without being a 'Gear Geek' , to some degree?
If you were an indian who lived way up the Amazon and all you have is an old machete, then some people who saw you might think 'Thats's a battered old machete' while someone even more remote or less poor/experienced might think 'thats a nice machete, one day I want one of those'.
Is being a Gear Geek about keeping up with fashion or wanting the very latest?
OR
Is it about some people being a bit jealous of other peoples nice gear?
If you were an indian who lived way up the Amazon and all you have is an old machete, then some people who saw you might think 'Thats's a battered old machete' while someone even more remote or less poor/experienced might think 'thats a nice machete, one day I want one of those'.
Is being a Gear Geek about keeping up with fashion or wanting the very latest?
OR
Is it about some people being a bit jealous of other peoples nice gear?
Perhaps "being a Gear Geek" means: participating in bushcraft just to have an excuse to fondle all your beautiful gear;
And "being a Bushcrafter" means: using your gear only as a means to doing bushcraft.
I dunno, just another opinion. Many shades inbetween etc.
"Play".... I like that.
As to labels, well, I don't really go along with those, so I am not at concerned if someone wants to call me a "bushcrafter" or a "gear geek". Many people, however, call me "eccentric", and I can go along with that, with a degree of pride. My wife, a psychologist/teacher reckons that I am somewhere on the autistic continuum, and I can go along with that proudly too.
I retired a couple of years ago. Quite often, as is the case in modern society, people ask "What do you do?"
My stock answer.... "I play".
If people comment on my "stuff" (gear). I just answer "I like nice toys".
Rod
Well to be honest I'm neither. I go wild camping for the company and food, I go to the odd bush craft meet as there is always a large amount of kit on display for me to look at, some well out of my price range, but sometimes there is cheaper kit that has been used and abused and stood the test of time.When I go to the woods I don't go to practice bush crafts, dilly bags, carvings etc etc. I go to practice survival skills which is a mix of traditional methods and a lot of modern techniques, the gear I have is stuff given to me, stuff I have bought from charity shops surplus shops and i even make my own kit, so I'm not afraid to damage or destroy my kit. I always look on this site to see what folk are buying and what they are selling it saves me the time in doing the research and wasting my money on useless items.The important thing is I'm out there doing what I enjoy.
I suppose it depends a lot on your personality which side off the fence you come down on. Personally (and I'm not really a bushcrafter anyway) I'm fascinated by bushcraft because I've always wanted to get away from social consensus reality (sorry to be pretentious) and just be on my own, or with people you know so well you don't have to make small talk. If I go for a wander, or a long bike ride on my salvaged bicycle, I like to feel I've escaped the clutches of society by ducking unseen under the fence. If I felt I had to buy a £400 bike, or a £300 knife to do it, I'd feel more like I'd paid a big fee for a temporary pass. I don't know if that makes any sense? I see society as a big machine that is hell bent on keeping your nose to the grindstone and pressuring you to hand over any proceeds to buy crap that you don't need, so I get a feeling of triumph if I can dodge this system by finding ways to make do by mending, adapting, DIY and salvaging. It makes me feel like I'm subverting a powerful system. I realise that's my own personal conceit, and maybe just results from being naturally a bit misanthropic, but for this reason I agree with the original poster.
I go hiking and camping in and around snowdonia regularly (not as often as I would like) and normally carry a full rucksack full of layers, lunch accessories and maybe the odd book. I am fully aware with my knowledge I don't need any of this and can cope easily with just the tools in my pockets (Helle symfoni, Swedish Firesteel and a whistle).
There is nothing wrong with plenty of extra kit and a few gadgets like GPS or a thermos. I think the line should be stopped when you bring a water bottle that digitally monitors your water consumption or other stupid gear (www.squidoo.com/GoodKit, see the bottom bits)
I always take lunch despite I know where to find wild foods and how to prepare them with little or no equipment. I suppose its because I am a student and I drink too much, but at least I have the knowledge and for me, thats the most important thing.
I always encourage others to learn more when hiking with a local club and try to get them to learn the uses of plants as we go by. Even started making websites www.squidoo.com/MEPUK
There is nothing wrong with plenty of extra kit and a few gadgets like GPS or a thermos. I think the line should be stopped when you bring a water bottle that digitally monitors your water consumption or other stupid gear (www.squidoo.com/GoodKit, see the bottom bits)
I always take lunch despite I know where to find wild foods and how to prepare them with little or no equipment. I suppose its because I am a student and I drink too much, but at least I have the knowledge and for me, thats the most important thing.
I always encourage others to learn more when hiking with a local club and try to get them to learn the uses of plants as we go by. Even started making websites
www.squidoo.com/MEPUK
I don't see why folk get so het up about what others are doing or by what they've got.
Let people enjoy themselves, leave them bide and get on with your own thing.
Let people enjoy themselves, leave them bide and get on with your own thing.
notworthy:notworthy
Nicely said, my thoughts as well. I have enough going on in my life to not worry too much about what others are doing!!!
It could just mean they're interested in other people doing things differently.
One reaction is to look the other way and continue your journey, another one is engage in conversation and exchange ideas. Saying "I don't understand why some people (...)" can be a first step to this. Or, indeed, it can mean "they do things differently, therefore they're wrong". YMMV.
It's fun getting excellent shiny gear which was researched for months before it finally got bought after which it's so much more pleasant to use, knowing you got what's best in your mind. The hunt is certainly part of the fun.
And yes, talking to others who are not enjoying their gear as much in the field because they missed some details is also funny and very pleasing if I happen to have enough gear or know how to make their trip more comfortable/healthy after all. The other way around as well of course, always nice to learn from others who happen to have found the holy grail and are willing to explain/help.
It's just a hobby, everyone does it their way...
And yes, talking to others who are not enjoying their gear as much in the field because they missed some details is also funny
and very pleasing if I happen to have enough gear or know how to make their trip more comfortable/healthy after all. The other way around as well of course, always nice to learn from others who happen to have found the holy grail and are willing to explain/help.It's just a hobby, everyone does it their way...
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