Id like to know if Knives are on sale to the general public(over the required age of course) how is one supposed to transport them from one place to another? without being/or seen to be commiting a offence?
Learnt a bad lesson today
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My postman should be delivering my new knife to me this week - I hope he doesn't get stopped and searched or my knife might get confiscated before I have even laid eyes on it!
By making sure police officers actually know the law?
No crime was committed here, and if it wasn't for the fantasty world portrayed by the media on 'knife crime' in the UK then common sense (and maybe genuine legal facts..) could be used and good people wouldn't get fingered without cause. In this case it seems private property was being transported to a private location, and a few boobs illegally stopped and searched a man, got the law completely wrong and made him suffer by doing so. Now, in my opinion our police should need to be educated better on such a hot topic (knives), intimidating, spreading false facts, confiscating completely legal personal property and ruining a mans integrity with an unjust criminal record!
I hope the rest of the members here refuse out right to accept any 'warning' or 'caution'! they are misleading names for instant pleas of guilt to a crime you may not have committed. Learn the law guys, learn your rights and put the fools in uniform politely and informatively in their place!
I would like to think once you get all this bull' sorted out and your name cleared (and you will!), you take this to the news paper and have the whole sour ordeal exposed!
I agree with Samon, what can be portrayed as the police 'going easy' on someone sometimes isn't, indeed theyve been known (on different subjects) to use accepted cautions as 'guilty' pleas when in debate over unpopular legislation which they wish to continue to justify.
On that note, a lot of protestors etc carry what they call a bust card - it lays out what the police and the person carrying the card should, and shouldn't do, gives explanations of the relevant laws and lists contacts for legal advice etc. In my experience the police are a lot more obliging and a lot less belligerent when one of them is produced. Possibly something along those lines with a letter froma permission would be a sensible (if sad that it's needed) addition to a bushy kit.....
On that note, a lot of protestors etc carry what they call a bust card - it lays out what the police and the person carrying the card should, and shouldn't do, gives explanations of the relevant laws and lists contacts for legal advice etc. In my experience the police are a lot more obliging and a lot less belligerent when one of them is produced. Possibly something along those lines with a letter froma permission would be a sensible (if sad that it's needed) addition to a bushy kit.....
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Station Sergeant to beat officers "Right, I'm telling you, no bloody stabbing during my shift. You pull someone with a knife on them, I don't care if you nick them or whatever, just get the bloody knife off them and into the sharps bin in the station, got that?"
Young and idealistic beat officer "Sarge, what if under section 139 they have good reaso ."
Station Sergeant (a bit louder) "I don't give a toss about your bloody 139, leave that to CPS to sort out. Just get the sodding knives off them. Or would you rather file reports for the next 3 months?"
Young and idealistic beat officer "Sarge, what if under section 139 they have good reaso ."
Station Sergeant (a bit louder) "I don't give a toss about your bloody 139, leave that to CPS to sort out. Just get the sodding knives off them. Or would you rather file reports for the next 3 months?"
There's a heck of a lot of negative comments about the Police on here. I can see it's upsetting and folk feel wronged. But creating a chasm between Bushcrafters and the Police isn't a good way to go. We'll lose in the long run. Yes there are some awful cops out there implementing badly structured and implemented laws. But the vast majority are good folk. Just the same as in 90% of organisations. Wouldn't education and contact be better? If the cops come into your camp, be open and relaxed with them - offer them a coffee and a biscuit (we talk about biscuits enough). Chances are it's been a long night shift dealing with idiots and even an offer that's declined will be appreciated. I've got one of our local bobbies quite interested and he fancies giving it a go.
If you foster bad feeling they'll pick up on it and wonder what your up too.
I don't like the situation Mouse is in and it should never have escalated to where it is. And I want it to be worked out well.
Just my tuppence worth,
GB.
If you foster bad feeling they'll pick up on it and wonder what your up too.
I don't like the situation Mouse is in and it should never have escalated to where it is. And I want it to be worked out well.
Just my tuppence worth,
GB.
Elen Sentier
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Ha! When I got back from the dentist this afternoon I reorganised my sharps bag to include a half finished spoon! I'm glad to know your Inspector thinks that if a knife can be legally sold in the UK then it can legally owned.
I like the sound of that. Any legal experts on here fancy knocking one up that we could download?
As in post 101 if it is,
a. Legal to buy knives in the UK
b. Have knives on private land
How the hell are we legally meant to take them from one place to another.
I would like someone who knows the rules, to explain the legal position. To be honest even mr plod doesn,t seem to know. Let alone the pxxxks who make the rules in the first place.
Annoyed, Nottingham.
ps. this could happen to any of us!
a. Legal to buy knives in the UK
b. Have knives on private land
How the hell are we legally meant to take them from one place to another.
I would like someone who knows the rules, to explain the legal position. To be honest even mr plod doesn,t seem to know. Let alone the pxxxks who make the rules in the first place.
Annoyed, Nottingham.
ps. this could happen to any of us!
Good luck with this.
My experience is that the police will rally round each other, even if they are in the wrong so I think your solicitor will earn his money.
My experience is that the police will rally round each other, even if they are in the wrong so I think your solicitor will earn his money.
Elen Sentier
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Apologies to any officers who might have been offended by my post, I merely meant to illustrate that the 'bobby on the beat' can be under pressures that we don't know about. I'm sure many of us have had bosses tell us to do things we didn't quite agree with.
As for the transportation question; it's quite simple. You transport them suitably 'wrapped away'. Inside a rucksack at the bottom or in a knife roll or similar. Not on your belt or in easily-accessible pocket on rucksack.
As for the transportation question; it's quite simple. You transport them suitably 'wrapped away'. Inside a rucksack at the bottom or in a knife roll or similar. Not on your belt or in easily-accessible pocket on rucksack.
Elen Sentier
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
+1 again. Will slip a few quid into a paypal fund if things work out that way. It does indeed affect us all.
Well that was the biggest waste of my time I have ever experienced
Firstly, when I arrived I was taken to a room and then meet by the Sargent on shift ( not the chief inspector ) who informed me that he or anyone else would not be considering reversing or changing the position / stance that had been taken yesterday and I was only invited to the station to complete a complaints form which would be responded to
Secondly , upon asking what the outcome could possibly be by completing the complaints form I was told he did not know as each case was different
Thirdly , I asked why I was not being seen by the chief constable as I had requested and was told that I was given what is deemed adequate audience in response to my complaint
My solicitor then implied that we would be pursuing legal action in reaction to what we believe to be unlawfull confiscation of my property and we were considering using the local media to express my distress
The reply being that I am free to consider which ever avenue I feel nessasary and this would not change the position today
So I've had no choice but to leave today no better off or wiser than before my solicitors opinion is that although he feels I was not to blame in any way ir in the wrong I am fighting a losing battle and a costly battle at that he feels that the complaint will lead to my warning being removed I stand little chance of getting my knife back
So in reflection lads and lasses if you are asked to empty the contents of your bag simply refuse as unless they have good cause to search you they have little power to do so
On ending this I want to say I have never had a criminal record or indeed had cause to doubt our police force in any way but it seems like in all aspects of life , birds of a feather fly together and I'm a ugly duckling on this occasion
I will let you know upon hearing a response from my complaint
Lastly.
I really apriciate all of the advise and support from you all and thank everyone who has had kind offers I post on this forum because I enjoy sharing experiences of like minded people and it just happens that my post this time was not of the pleasurable sort but at no point would I accept any offers of help financially or replacing my knife this was not even a concideration when I made the post I hope this comment has not offended as it is not ment to the only thing I would ever accept from any member on here if friendship and advice as I can return these in bulk
Firstly, when I arrived I was taken to a room and then meet by the Sargent on shift ( not the chief inspector ) who informed me that he or anyone else would not be considering reversing or changing the position / stance that had been taken yesterday and I was only invited to the station to complete a complaints form which would be responded to
Secondly , upon asking what the outcome could possibly be by completing the complaints form I was told he did not know as each case was different
Thirdly , I asked why I was not being seen by the chief constable as I had requested and was told that I was given what is deemed adequate audience in response to my complaint
My solicitor then implied that we would be pursuing legal action in reaction to what we believe to be unlawfull confiscation of my property and we were considering using the local media to express my distress
The reply being that I am free to consider which ever avenue I feel nessasary and this would not change the position today
So I've had no choice but to leave today no better off or wiser than before my solicitors opinion is that although he feels I was not to blame in any way ir in the wrong I am fighting a losing battle and a costly battle at that he feels that the complaint will lead to my warning being removed I stand little chance of getting my knife back
So in reflection lads and lasses if you are asked to empty the contents of your bag simply refuse as unless they have good cause to search you they have little power to do so
On ending this I want to say I have never had a criminal record or indeed had cause to doubt our police force in any way but it seems like in all aspects of life , birds of a feather fly together and I'm a ugly duckling on this occasion
I will let you know upon hearing a response from my complaint
Lastly.
I really apriciate all of the advise and support from you all and thank everyone who has had kind offers I post on this forum because I enjoy sharing experiences of like minded people and it just happens that my post this time was not of the pleasurable sort but at no point would I accept any offers of help financially or replacing my knife this was not even a concideration when I made the post I hope this comment has not offended as it is not ment to the only thing I would ever accept from any member on here if friendship and advice as I can return these in bulk
Exactly.
Good officers are always really good, and go above and beyond the line of duty, and are always really friendly.
Bad officers are really bad.
As a summary,
+1 to that.
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Blimey, mouse, I didn't expect that.
To me this seems to be a case of police stepping beyond what they are allowed to do.
To me this seems to be a case of police stepping beyond what they are allowed to do.
That is an odd thing to suggest.
The unintentional damage done to your name could be greater than the gains to be made. I wouldn't trust the media to be on your side in this.
I would think very carefully about that If I were you.
I have always supported the police and will continue to do so as I honestly believe they do a cracking job 99% of the time
I just hit the 1% I've met bad bushcrafters who done things not to my taste doesn't mean we are all the same so I think behaving as an educated person does my bit to improve life as we know it
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