Scottish air gun licence

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Swallow

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Actually after the mass emotional outbursts subside, the majority of Americans generally agree with the NRA.

And some of us who have seen Piers Morgan trying to argue for extra gun control have come round to the NRA's way of thinking. I've seen someone suggest he should be deported back to the UK. Seriously, what did we do to deserve that? Deport him somewhere else.
 

Toddy

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Wow, tough audience :D

Tell me.....what is a car's primary function ?
Then tell me.....what is a rifle's primary function?

Y'see, there is a difference.


Majority rules in a democracy.

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British Red

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No, it's not a universal opinion, but you'll find that it's only the gun lobby who don't consider the NRA to be nutcases.

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Why would I consider the organisation that owns Bisley and hosted the UK Olympic shooting to be nutcases?
 

santaman2000

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And some of us who have seen Piers Morgan trying to argue for extra gun control have come round to the NRA's way of thinking. I've seen someone suggest he should be deported back to the UK. Seriously, what did we do to deserve that? Deport him somewhere else.

Fair enough. I recall a previous thread suggesting sending him to North Korea. I'll donate towards his airfare.
 

Toddy

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Why would I consider the organisation that owns Bisley and hosted the UK Olympic shooting to be nutcases?

Because you're part of the gun lobby, BR. It's called biased. :)

Final post; the Scottish Government intends to introduce this law. It means that airguns will need to be licenced like other firearms.
For most folks in Scotland it's a non issue.

That might not be the way many here would like it to be, but that's reality.

From a Scottish point of view I know I'm not alone in wondering when the English will extract the digit and catch up with the rest of us ?

Off to find the antihistamines; the thrice damned midgies are back :sigh: and I've been bitten when out in the garden this evening. I forgot the Stupidly Simple stuff :eek:

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British Red

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Actually Mary I suspect its because I know that there is more than one NRA :rolleyes:

You do know the difference between the UK NRA and US NRA?
 

santaman2000

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Because you're part of the gun lobby, BR. It's called biased. :)

To be perfectly honest, the "gun lobby" left the NRA about a decade ago because they believe the NRA's approach isn't radical enough. That's why we lost about 3 million members; they've formed more radical movements.
 

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So, Toddy, from the experience of your frankly irresponsible relatives you would have airguns licensed. If you had grown up in a household where people did not shoot at each other would you hold a different opinion I wonder. Also, remind me is have-a-go archery legal or illegal this week without a knife dealer's licence as there seems to be some confusion?
 

woodstock

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" The following are incidents in which children and young people have accessed air weapons and killed siblings, family members, friends or others.

In almost all cases the air weapon was accessed by children because the weapon and ammunition had been irresponsibly stored by an adult; a phenomena linked to the ‘boys toys’ culture surrounding these guns.

Opportunities exist for family members, friends and neighbours to intervene in the interests of crime prevention and public safety regarding irresponsible storage of, and unauthorised access to, air weapons by children.

(Ref. Section 46 Crime and Security Act 2010:- It is an offence for a person in possession of an air weapon to fail to take reasonable precautions to prevent someone under the age of 18 from gaining unauthorised access to it)

Rhys Johnson

Ten year old Rees was killed by a 12 year old child after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing with a friend near his home in Llansamlet, Swansea on 27th September 2009.

Jonathan Cooke

Five year old Jonathan Cooke was killed by another child after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing with several other children and an adult in a garden during a weekend camping holiday in Wiltshire in August 2009.

Sam Shaw

Fifteen year old Sam Shaw was killed by a young person after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing in a garden with his brother and a friend in Hayes, West London in March 2009.

Rachel Davis

Eighteen year old Rachel Davis was killed by a friend after being shot with an air weapon pellet while socialising with friends in a flat in Bury, Greater Manchester, in December, 2008.

Rashid Ullah

Eighteen month old Rashid was killed by a five year old girl after being shot with an air weapon pellet in a Birmingham garden. His father had been shooting in the back garden and left the loaded weapon out there in September 2008.

Danny Marsh

Seventeen year old Danny Marsh was killed by a young person after being shot with an air weapon pellet when he and his cousin were in a garden shed at the home of his grandmother in Maesglas in November 2007

Mitchel Picken

Twelve year old Mitchel Picken was killed by a thirteen year old child after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing at the home of a friend whose father, a licensed gun owner, had failed to store his gun safely enabling access to the gun by children ‘home alone’ in Staffordshire in August 2006

Andrew Morton

Two year old Andrew Morton was killed after being shot with an air weapon pellet fired from a window by a young sniper while he was being carried down the road by his cousin in Glasgow in March 2005.

Alex Cole

Twelve year old Alex Cole was killed by a fourteen year old child after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing at the home of a friend where a loaded air weapon belonging to his friend's father had been left under a bed, enabling access to the gun by the children when ‘home alone’ in Doncaster in May 2005

Scott Heap

Eleven year old Scott Heap was killed by an eleven year old child after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing with the weapon in a friend’s bedroom in Glasgow in October 2004.

Matthew Sheffield

Fourteen year old Matthew Sheffield was killed by a thirteen year old child after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing with friends in a garden when ‘home alone’ in Stockton on Tees in April 2001.

George Atkinson

Thirteen year old George Atkinson was killed by another child after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing with a cousin at the home of his mother’s sister near Mold in July 1999.

Margaret McEwan

Eight year old Margaret McEwan was killed after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing with a cousin at the home of an aunt in Warwickshire in August 1995.

Danny Sondergaard

Fourteen year old Danny Sondergaard was killed by another child after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing with his sister and friends at home in Kent in August 1994.

Matthew Fowkes

Ten year old Matthew Fowkes was killed after being shot with an air weapon pellet while playing in woods with his sister and brother while other people were shooting nearby in Hucknall, Nottinghamshire in 1989. "

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Get your point, but every single one without exception was killed by a Human not by a gun, first it was hand guns,then it was knives now it is air guns all of these are inanimate objects that can do no harm whatsoever on their own they all need human intervention,whats going to be next walking sticks,keys, anything can be used to kill, there are more people killed by cars than anything else why not ban them after all they are dangerous.
 

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No. They were killed by a human using a gun.

If there had not been a gun to hand, those children would not have died.

Cars are intended as transport, and they are already licenced.

This is such an emotive subject, there are bound to be different views on it. I'm just seeing both sides.

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Adze

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No. They were killed by a human using a gun.

If there had not been a gun to hand, those children would not have died.

Cars are intended as transport, and they are already licenced.

This is such an emotive subject, there are bound to be different views on it. I'm just seeing both sides.

M

What about the bicycle deaths Toddy?

They were killed by a human using a bicycle...

I could repeat the whole of you post in the same vein, but that would be puerile.
 

woodstock

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I know this but it was neglect or accident in the majority of cases, I had my first shotgun a 410 at the age of ten, I was given strict instructions on what I could and couldn't do with it, I am 58 now and have never shot anyone in anger or by negligence.
 

JonathanD

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The problem with cars is, they hurtle down streets about 2-3ft from people walking. And when I walk down a street, hundreds of them are whizzing passed and sometimes I have to cross in front of them. You can't say that of airguns.

On the other side. The amount of people killed or injured world wide by baseball bats is huge. More than airguns in fact, especially in the USA.
 
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out of interest are scotland going to put up and man police check points to england where scotish people can drive to and buy airguns face to face at an RFD who will check they are old enough to buy but not require a licence

and check english living pople who drive over the boarder to shoot airguns (BFTA has a scottish shoot in the national circuit) who do they apply to as its the county you live that issues and we will have no mechanisum so guess an international application to the scotish Embasy
Ah good grief ! Not the old passport at the border story again please...
Perhape we could just treat it like the current knife law's and as long as you have a reasonable excuse for carrying the weapon, then on you go.
However if you think you can just drive across the boarder of another country with a boot load of guns then you probably better get ready for a interesting reseption what...

Aye 18/9/2014
 
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A little research shows that between 30 and 60 people are struck by lightning in Britain each year. That's a lot more than are killed by air rifles. You are genuinely more likely to be struck by lightning (but its still a law that will be rammed through even though the public consultation showed that the public do not want it.) :rolleyes:
 
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