Litter louts - gotcha!

[MSkiba]

Good result, well done! Also from the sounds of it the police did a good job and I agree with everything done.

Come the days when some poeple mention here, where police need long processes just to check a club card, and court order to get them to clean up the site, is the day we have lost the battle (and a massive tax increase to fund it all).

Common sense.

Well done, I would of done the same.

 

[Bushcraftsman]

it's people like this that give us "youths" the terrible name we have for ourselves we're not all like that!

 

[boatman]

Good result, well done! Also from the sounds of it the police did a good job and I agree with everything done.

Come the days when some poeple mention here, where police need long processes just to check a club card, and court order to get them to clean up the site, is the day we have lost the battle (and a massive tax increase to fund it all).

Common sense.

Well done, I would of done the same.

Sorry but come the day when there is no Data protection on a Police Officer''s say so and we have lost a far more important battle.

 

[rik_uk3]

Just met with the PCSO and her supervisor (a proppa coppa!) at the litter site and they confirmed they had an address and would get the miscreant to clean it up... Bring back birching, I say!!

Really if the owner of the receipt says "Not me, I threw my carrier bag away" the police can do nothing unless they start doing a bit of CSI and running DNA tests on fag ends and empty cans; the police can try and bluff it but the person involved can more or less tell them to go away.

They would need to be charged, proven guilty and handed down a sentence by a court which may include clearing litter before he/she/they are under any obligation to go and clear up.

 

[spiritwalker]

Great work now can you find a way to get the dog owners who leave bags of dog sh**e dangling from trees? that really gets my beef id rather stand on it on the floor where it can rot than view it dangling from a tree it bag with a silly half life.

 

[jackcbr]

it's people like this that give us "youths" the terrible name we have for ourselves we're not all like that!

Bless you. We know it's the few that spoil it for the rest. The best thing to do is lead by example, a lesson for us all really.

 

[boatman]

Here is the ICO Good Practice advice on disclosure of information to the police. Note that up to a court order it is voluntary, care is suggested over phone calls purporting to come from the police and that it is a good idea for the organisation to have a quite formal procedure. Could one quarrel with this which includes safeguards for the organisation and the Data Subject. Surely better than allowing casual enquiries which some have suggested should be the way.

http://www.ico.gov.uk/global/faqs/~...iled_specialist_guides/SECTION_29_GPN_V1.ashx

 

[spandit]

Wow, some responses there. I wasn't privy to what methods the police used to get the address nor how they proposed the offence to the ClubCard owner.

I am, frankly, amazed that some people seem to think that I've done a bad thing and that the police tracing the perpetrator is worse than the offence! You sound like the kind of people who would help a burglar carry your telly out to avoid him injuring his back and sueing...

 

[rik_uk3]

Wow, some responses there. I wasn't privy to what methods the police used to get the address nor how they proposed the offence to the ClubCard owner.

I am, frankly, amazed that some people seem to think that I've done a bad thing and that the police tracing the perpetrator is worse than the offence! You sound like the kind of people who would help a burglar carry your telly out to avoid him injuring his back and sueing...

What you did was a noble gesture, personally I'd rather not keep an officer tied up for even an hour on something that in the scheme of things is not important.

 

[spandit]

Fortunately I live in a low crime area so they're not busy chasing miscreants

 

[Robbi]

What you did was a noble gesture, personally I'd rather not keep an officer tied up for even an hour on something that in the scheme of things is not important.

and there lies the problem,........... teach the litter louts respect now and it will pay dividends later.

 

[mountainm]

What you did was a noble gesture, personally I'd rather not keep an officer tied up for even an hour on something that in the scheme of things is not important.

Most crime starts with a lack of respect, perhaps if things are nipped in the bud then it saves time and money in the long run. I'm sure the police are more than capable of deciding where they should allocate resource.

 

[21st century pict]

Hey It’s not just the youths who make a mess though, I have found photographic equipment packaging along a footpath down to a bird hide, that was a bit of a surprise, but the best one was when I was working for the Scottish Wildlife Trust ..The Boss and myself were walking round the reserve when he found 2 or 3 bags of rubbish dumped behind some bushes, a quick look at the stuff all business letters soon revealed the local offender, Bingo, the boss went and got his van and loaded it all up, and in the middle o the night chucked it all back over a wall into the original owners garden, The business man certainly wasn’t going to go to the police and complain about littering we were just returning lost property, Sweet...what a laugh we had... rough justice rocks.

 

[boatman]

I was camping solo/stealth on Dartmoor years ago and amused myself by trailing an Army group mostly by their litter. The gem of the collection was a page that included an imprecation something like "not to drop rubbish as it might give away your position to the enemy".

 

[Wayland]

Wow, some responses there. I wasn't privy to what methods the police used to get the address nor how they proposed the offence to the ClubCard owner.

I am, frankly, amazed that some people seem to think that I've done a bad thing and that the police tracing the perpetrator is worse than the offence! You sound like the kind of people who would help a burglar carry your telly out to avoid him injuring his back and sueing...

Sadly that seems to be a common attitude these days.

Most crime starts with a lack of respect, perhaps if things are nipped in the bud then it saves time and money in the long run. I'm sure the police are more than capable of deciding where they should allocate resource.

Spot on.

 

[rik_uk3]

Most crime starts with a lack of respect, perhaps if things are nipped in the bud then it saves time and money in the long run. I'm sure the police are more than capable of deciding where they should allocate resource.

Is it always youngsters behaving badly? Local to us we would have groups driving down a track for their parties so not just young teenagers (that problem stopped now, track boulder blocked). Do you want a youngster to get a record for doing what most youngsters do somewhere along the line whether at home or outdoors which is have a party and leave a mess? I don't.

How many here stop someone in the street who has dropped litter and tell them to pick it up? Tell a bunch of teenagers to stop kicking the can and put it in a bin? Go tell a bunch of Welsh lads on a Saturday night they've dumped their kebab wrapper and the next thing you'd likely see is the face of a paramedic looking down at you.

Litter and mess on the streets and in the woods is not new and to be honest is often blown out of proportion.

 

[Retired Member southey]

Really if the owner of the receipt says "Not me, I threw my carrier bag away" the police can do nothing unless they start doing a bit of CSI and running DNA tests on fag ends and empty cans; the police can try and bluff it but the person involved can more or less tell them to go away.

They would need to be charged, proven guilty and handed down a sentence by a court which may include clearing litter before he/she/they are under any obligation to go and clear up.

Spot on......

 

[Silverclaws]

Is it always youngsters behaving badly? Local to us we would have groups driving down a track for their parties so not just young teenagers (that problem stopped now, track boulder blocked). Do you want a youngster to get a record for doing what most youngsters do somewhere along the line whether at home or outdoors which is have a party and leave a mess? I don't.

How many here stop someone in the street who has dropped litter and tell them to pick it up? Tell a bunch of teenagers to stop kicking the can and put it in a bin? Go tell a bunch of Welsh lads on a Saturday night they've dumped their kebab wrapper and the next thing you'd likely see is the face of a paramedic looking down at you.

Litter and mess on the streets and in the woods is not new and to be honest is often blown out of proportion.

I agree, it is and it is always a safe bet for someone to inform authorities from the safety of anonymity, but I wonder how many would indeed challenge the offenders in situ. I have once and got told F off for my trouble and made myself a target for ridicule every time I came across that little gang of kids again and there is nothing I can do about that, so now I mind my own business because it exists and those that report anonymously know full well make someone else's offence your business out of sight of others and one might get violence enacted on you for sticking your neck out, we still live in such a society.

It also something with archeologists, they find past people's refuse really useful for understanding about past peoples there indicating we have always been a messy animal, but then so is the rest of nature judging by the amount of holed empty snail shells in the middle of our car park after I assume the crows have been using the tarmac for smashing open the snail shells for what is inside, but I guess the rest of nature is allowed to make a mess, just not our nature.

Furthermore everyone was a youth at some point, are they saying they themselves were so squeaky clean as a youth and never did anything that caused consternation to elder adults and it is a fact we only tend to remember the good and bad times of our past youth, what ever happened to that in between we don't remember where we may not have been wholly good or bad.

 

[East Coaster]

In my opinion, the only thing the offender will learn from this little episode is not to be so stupid as to leave evidence lying around in future.
She's unlikely to change, most people don't after the age of 18.

 

[mountainm]

In my opinion, the only thing the offender will learn from this little episode is not to be so stupid as to leave evidence lying around in future.
She's unlikely to change, most people don't after the age of 18.

So lets all turn a blind eye then, no point reporting it. Were either wasting police time, or its a waste of time.

Who said apathy is a disease of the young?