I seem to remember you've posted this claim before, and Tony and Toddy put you right, do you now have proof, you'd like to share
Bear Grylls To Be New Chief Scout!
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It's not just the religion thing though. I would have a problem pledging allegiance to the queen too. I don't hate the royal family or anything I just don't follow them.
Thanks for the link. I have been helping someone who wants to volunteer as a leader and its good to know that the movement is more open minded than when I was a scout.
Bit of a whiff of piousness in some of the posts in this thread.
Scouting isn't 'Sunday school' and should involve a good bit of reckless danger now and again.
The odd broken arm or leg never hurt anybody
Go Bear Go:swordfigh
Scouting isn't 'Sunday school' and should involve a good bit of reckless danger now and again.
The odd broken arm or leg never hurt anybody
Go Bear Go:swordfigh
Nothing old fashioned about that Red...just standards.
i will add, that being the youngest to climb Mt Everest at the time certainly certainly indicates a standard of the highest achievement and committment.
He was apparently part of a "tourist" party. He was on Henry Todd's Australian/ British guided expedition in perfect weather.
Also, allegedly, there was a Brit who was misclassified as an Australian who was a younger summiter.
I have to say, I'm gob-smacked at the vitriol shown by many people on this site who I deeply respect.
There appears to be an inability to separate the man on the telly with the man himself.
Ladies and gents, it's television - it's not real! In order to make things more entertaining for the target audience, some things are set up. Indeed, some people here are passing comment having never even seen the programme. This is the kind of attitude I expect from reactive politicians.
The man has a TV persona as he gets paid for making popular programmes that help sell advertising. It's his job. If anyone saw the programme on paramotoring near Everest that he did, I think they would see something a bit closer to the real person. The guy who has climbed Everest (have you?), trekked to the Pole (have you?), passed SAS selection (have you?), got his own TV series? (have you? Sit down, Ray...). Did he fake those?
As a climber, I don't support the commercialisation of 8000m peaks but, frankly, if you can actually get up to the summit of the highest mountain in the world on your own two feet, kudos. If he'd done it Alpine-style, however, I'd worship the ground he walked on.
Surely these achievements qualify him as an inspirational character who can lead the Scouts? Certainly no-one can doubt his drive. If I had kids, I'd be happy for them to be in the Scouts with Bear Grylls as Chief Scout.
Sure, he may not be perfect but who is? I wouldn't say I'm a fan of his but I'm gaining more respect for him.
Good on him and good on the Scouting movement.
There appears to be an inability to separate the man on the telly with the man himself.
Ladies and gents, it's television - it's not real! In order to make things more entertaining for the target audience, some things are set up. Indeed, some people here are passing comment having never even seen the programme. This is the kind of attitude I expect from reactive politicians.
The man has a TV persona as he gets paid for making popular programmes that help sell advertising. It's his job. If anyone saw the programme on paramotoring near Everest that he did, I think they would see something a bit closer to the real person. The guy who has climbed Everest (have you?), trekked to the Pole (have you?), passed SAS selection (have you?), got his own TV series? (have you? Sit down, Ray...). Did he fake those?
As a climber, I don't support the commercialisation of 8000m peaks but, frankly, if you can actually get up to the summit of the highest mountain in the world on your own two feet, kudos. If he'd done it Alpine-style, however, I'd worship the ground he walked on.
Surely these achievements qualify him as an inspirational character who can lead the Scouts? Certainly no-one can doubt his drive. If I had kids, I'd be happy for them to be in the Scouts with Bear Grylls as Chief Scout.
Sure, he may not be perfect but who is? I wouldn't say I'm a fan of his but I'm gaining more respect for him.
Good on him and good on the Scouting movement.
i think its a good idea... i know some of the stuff Bear does might be abit fake, but at the end of the day im pretty sure he knows what he is talking about. He has achieved lots with his life, alot more than most people would.
As for Ray Mears im not sure, see i know he dosnt do anything fake, and im sure he is better at the whole bushcraft idea but even so i dont like him. I think this because if i saw him i would need a really good reason to speak to him. He seems abit like everything has to be done his way. Also hes nasty to Bear.
On the other hand if i saw Bear i would be inclined to ask him some questions and talk to him abit. he seems like alot nicer character than Ray.
Having said this, i used to hate hate hate Bear and love Ray.
Thats the reason i would like Bear to be scout leader. Just because he seems more approchable.
As for Ray Mears im not sure, see i know he dosnt do anything fake, and im sure he is better at the whole bushcraft idea but even so i dont like him. I think this because if i saw him i would need a really good reason to speak to him. He seems abit like everything has to be done his way. Also hes nasty to Bear.
On the other hand if i saw Bear i would be inclined to ask him some questions and talk to him abit. he seems like alot nicer character than Ray.
Having said this, i used to hate hate hate Bear and love Ray.
Thats the reason i would like Bear to be scout leader. Just because he seems more approchable.
Frankly I'm surprised your "gob-smacked" after the craghoppers branded clothing debacle.
Some people have a real problem with separating TV from reality.
I can recall hearing Ray talking about how in the early years how he was seen as difficult to work with by some directors as he wouldn't just be a 'yes man' and indulge them is some over dramatised idea that they wished to portray as the outdoors experience.
Brilliant news for both parties.....I didn't realise the waiting list to join was so huge, hopefully Bear helps to close the gap and get both more youngsters and adults involved, good on him and well done to the scouts.
andyre / wild thing my thoughts exactly lets see what the man does as the cheif scout
and judge that
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and judge that
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i have been taking an interest in this thread as my son will be old enough soon to join the cubs, i was looking forward to him joining! however i'm not now.
this guy is totally unsuitable, i don't care how popular he is, he's a mentalist! :yikes: i'm sure in a survival situation he'll ether do the job or get killed trying, but for me thats not what the scouts are about and never have been, i for one wouldn't let my son watch anything that he does without a running commentry from me about not to do what bear is doing, he blunders through the forest snatching up any living thing he see's and bites off its head, i mean do me a favour, he goes into cave systems that are likely to flood with no idea or equiptment, scales down 150ft cliffs with a piece of short rope and a back pack for protection. he's about as suitable as a role model as that cherl cole. all front and no substance, in a word, dangerous!!
paul
this guy is totally unsuitable, i don't care how popular he is, he's a mentalist! :yikes: i'm sure in a survival situation he'll ether do the job or get killed trying, but for me thats not what the scouts are about and never have been, i for one wouldn't let my son watch anything that he does without a running commentry from me about not to do what bear is doing, he blunders through the forest snatching up any living thing he see's and bites off its head, i mean do me a favour, he goes into cave systems that are likely to flood with no idea or equiptment, scales down 150ft cliffs with a piece of short rope and a back pack for protection. he's about as suitable as a role model as that cherl cole. all front and no substance, in a word, dangerous!!paul
For the love of God! Go cliumb Everest any which way you can then come back and lecture us.
Craven He's the chief Scout a figurehead, not your local leader. You do yourself an injustuce and also insult all the leaders in the movement by your hysterical comments. I would rather be outdoors with BG than with someone who loses it over something so trival.
I think any one who can inspire more adults to become leaders will be the best thing that Gilwell has done for a good few years.
Someone said that the movement needed reviving, come and tell that to my cubs, scouts and those on the waiting list, which has grown year on year for the want of some adults.
I think any one who can inspire more adults to become leaders will be the best thing that Gilwell has done for a good few years.
Someone said that the movement needed reviving, come and tell that to my cubs, scouts and those on the waiting list, which has grown year on year for the want of some adults.
Well probably none of my business because I'm not in the UK but I will share my two cents worth anyway. The Bear vs. Ray thing and Bear's debatable ethics aside I think there is a premise that has been presented but not proven. That premise being that more people joining scouts is better for the movement. With so few qualified people to teach bushcraft what will these large number of kids be learning? I was in cub scouts when they were probably at their peek membership here in the US. The things we were doing had very little to do with learning any traditional bushcraft skills. I believe a small numbers of kids who are interested in bushcraft for the craft it's self being instructed by knowledgeable mentors is better for keeping the traditional skills alive than a bunch of dads who are just trying to find a night away from the nagging wife teaching kids to build Popsicle stick bird houses.
SimonM
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I recently got back into Scouting, and have my first training session coming up (teaching granny to suck eggs methinks !).
I am not a fan of BG, but as I have been involved with Scouts on and off for about 30 years and only ever seen 1 Chief Scout (as he flew off in his Army helecopter - a Gazelle IIRC ), it won't put me off.
Scout Groups rely on volunteers - Whilst we all wear the same uniform, each group has its own identity, and for this we have the Leaders to thank.
If anyone is thinking of joining, or taking their kids to join, I suggest going along and meeting the Leaders. If you don't like the atmosphere, go to another Group and see the differences.
Don't let a figure head, that you will probably never meet, put you off a great organisation.
Just my thoughts,
Simon
!).I am not a fan of BG, but as I have been involved with Scouts on and off for about 30 years and only ever seen 1 Chief Scout (as he flew off in his Army helecopter - a Gazelle IIRC
), it won't put me off.Scout Groups rely on volunteers - Whilst we all wear the same uniform, each group has its own identity, and for this we have the Leaders to thank.
If anyone is thinking of joining, or taking their kids to join, I suggest going along and meeting the Leaders. If you don't like the atmosphere, go to another Group and see the differences.
Don't let a figure head, that you will probably never meet, put you off a great organisation.
Just my thoughts,
Simon
you are all missing the point, taking personal issues aside its simple.
BG or Mears they are both a good example for young children to look up to.
and also i know survival instructors that would blow Gryls / Mears into the next dimention they just dont go for the publicity ( actually one of them is really ugly, face for radio sort of chap even his nickname is "uglybloke" ).
either way clean cut, polite, energetic, cant see many negatives there, children these days need heroes more than ever before, where would we be without the gutsy types like Shackleton, Scott, Drake, Hillory, Finnes, and not to mention Baden-Powell.
these people are Exactly what gave this country its backbone we need more like them
BG or Mears they are both a good example for young children to look up to.
and also i know survival instructors that would blow Gryls / Mears into the next dimention they just dont go for the publicity ( actually one of them is really ugly, face for radio sort of chap even his nickname is "uglybloke" ).
either way clean cut, polite, energetic, cant see many negatives there, children these days need heroes more than ever before, where would we be without the gutsy types like Shackleton, Scott, Drake, Hillory, Finnes, and not to mention Baden-Powell.
these people are Exactly what gave this country its backbone we need more like them
