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Bonfire causes asthma attack be aware!

Discussion in 'Hygiene and First Aid / Medicinal' started by Woody girl, Nov 2, 2019.

  1. Paul_B

    Paul_B Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)

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    On first glance the American system seems better. You get what you pay for I suppose.

    I heard somewhere that the German state health system was good with annual check ups for all irrespective of age.

    Scandi system is good too. In fact iirc Sweden pays for almost any fitness cost like gym membership, cost of bike etc. You claim for it I believe. Gyms often sort the paperwork out for you. A friend moved to work in Sweden and got free gym membership with no strings. His colleagues got bikes and exercise equipment too. None of this C2W scheme bureaucracy based on claiming back tax. Complete reimbursement of full costs without end of scheme fair market value payments like the uk.
     
  2. Woody girl

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    if your cholesterol is high they should be giving you measures to reduce it. How high was it? If I go over 5 I worry.
    There are some simple steps to take to help yourself. Proactive (by flora) margarine also the yoghurt drinks for instance.
    There is good and bad cholesterol. You need to acertain the number of each and take action before things get worse.
    If your not happy with the docs reaction go back and dont take no for an answer.
    Sometimes local pharmacys will do tests and give advice. Doctors nowadays are doing a lot less on the prescription side so the local chemists are having to pick up the slack. Worth a try if you have a concern.
    Not trying to worry you but I had a friend die at45 yrs old due to a heart attack . High cholesterol was the cause but they were "not worried about it" did nothing and he suffered the consequences. My son's father also died young at 57. He would not take any advice either.
    Please don't take a shrugged shoulder for an answer. Push untill you get one. Do research so you can argue your corner but don't worry overly. There is a lot you can do yourself. Look at the flora heart health and similar sites.
    The question you have to ask is do I want to die young or live long?
    As I have had severe asthma and many bouts of pneumonia and bronchitis my heart is enlarged and I have to look after it.
    I also have lung damage so this makes bad attacks of asthma double jeopardy for me.
    I have 60% lung function on a good day.!
    It's a pain getting old !
     
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  3. Paul_B

    Paul_B Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)

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    It's high but she said something about the mix being the right way. Asking further questions got nowhere. Basically I took that to mean my ratio of HDL to LDL was the right way.

    I once heard a relative get told she had high cholesterol for years. She was always health conscious with food intake. Eventually the gp gave here a full cholesterol check up. Her good cholesterol was high but her bad cholesterol was actually very low. Basically the high cholesterol wasn't an issue. Iirc the good cholesterol actually helps to clear out the bad variety.

    I think I'm in that same situation.
     
  4. Janne

    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    The foods to incorporate into your diet are:
    Fruit and veg
    Oats
    Fermented milks. but has to be live ( yoghurt, Kefir, Greek yoghurt and the like)
    Fatty/oily fish ( Mackerel, Salmon, Herring, Eel)
    One spread that contains beneficial ingredients, proven to work is Benecol. The others are kind of 'jumping on the wagon', but as they contain similar ingredients, they should work too.

    Exercise is beneficial. No need to train for Iron Man, a brisk walk is fine!

    The Cholesterol bit is quite complex, better you read yourself. Sorry about the 'clumsy' links! I hope they work!

    https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ7JoYpcFdEuEA7QtXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyMG9zMHYxBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjg1NjZfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1573000600/RO=10/RU=https://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/finding-the-ideal-cholesterol-ratio/RK=2/RS=iBLF3XFcDrz8J9ay6OcFqLBV3W4-


    https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ7JoYpcFdEuEA8QtXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNWZkMzhhBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDQjg1NjZfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1573000600/RO=10/RU=https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/expert-answers/cholesterol-ratio/faq-20058006/RK=2/RS=k77oXkkvS0Gwkn_sX7Qt1iER6SI-


    generally speaking, if you have a high level of the 'bad' (LDL) cholesterol, or an unfavourable ration, it is beneficial to be medicated, despite the side effects ( very rare though)
     
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  5. Bootfox

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    https://www.gov.uk/garden-bonfires-rules


    Next time they do it phone it in. Phone it in as a fire and/or make a complaint to your council.
     
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    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    No. You pay a sum ( varies) for each visit, but you pay a maximum sum each year. One maximum yearly sum for doctors, hospitals, ( +health and fysio I think) about 130 UKP, one max sum for meds, about 250 UKP
    A GP visit is somewhere around 30 UKP.
    Dentistry has a different payment system, outside the Medical system.
    An Exam is around 90 -120 UKP.

    Each Scandinavian country has a different system.
     
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    Paul_B Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)

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    Isn't there a fitness reimbursement for sporting activity? Something like that.
     
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    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    Many companies do that. I am unsure if the State does.
    But the state/ councils ‘sponsor’ sport venues, sport clubs for people, x-country ski tracks, running tracks and so on.
     
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    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    Asthma is now less common then it was back in the 70’s and 80’s in Sweden.
    We started ripping out all wall to wall carpets, and had hard floors instead. Plus we were instructed to air the buildings properly.
    Went down a lot, but not to the old levels.

    Nasty disease, asthma!
     
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    Not to the Fire Brigade, they’re stretched to breaking already without dealing with bonfires, but are obliged to attend a fire call. If it’s a nuisance, then the usual applies. Record times, photos, level of nuisance etc and take it up with the council.
     
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    My medical care is basically free for the rest of my life. I retired from the Air Force after over 21 years so I get Tricare which pays all but a small copay per visit. My medications are free at the Base pharmacy. After the Air Force I worked another 13 years for the State of Florida and that retirement package includes another pension plans separate, non taxable funding to pay for an insurance supplement that pays all the copays.
     
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    Paul_B Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)

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    State workers do tend to get good benefits from work based provisions I reckon. Obvs serving personnel should get the gold standard for good reasons.
     
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    A fire is a fire. If it’s a health risk and they haven’t notified the correct authorities to controlled burning and is not properly maintained and monitored with appropriate safety measures, it’s still a risk.

    If they are blasè enough to not care about the smoke or what they are burning, (and you have no idea what carcinogenic stuff they could be adding) they won’t care enough to set out proper control measures.
     
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    Shame it doesn’t happen in the UK. With veterans cast aside and forgotten about. With the slack taken up by associations and charities, and priority treatment given to others that haven’t paid into the system.
     
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    The fire brigade just love people like you who don’t use the correct means of documenting and reporting nuisance. It’s not like they don’t have enough to do without people running to tell teacher. Wildgoose said it was wet foliage, not plastics etc. It’s a matter for the council, not an overstretched emergency service. Do you have any idea how many fire stations are lost each year, how resources have been limited, how these brave people struggle to save life and property?
     
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    What I described are retiree benefits. Active duty medical benefits were entirely free for the serviceman and immediate family. Dental was free for the serviceman and relatively cheap for the family.
     
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    Can he say for certain it’s just wet foliage, is he aware for certain of the attitudes of the people burning, safety considerations and control measures, or failings of all these by them?

    It doesn’t take long for these “small fires” to progress into a worse situation, it could well be an accident waiting to happen, and could be endangering life already.

    By all means use the council and guidance in the link I provided but if there’s a risk to public safety then it’s appropriate to use them.

    And yes I am fully aware thanks.
     
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    PLEASE, let's not get snippy about things here boys . There has been enough of that on another thread.
    I have finaly been back on my feet today for a short time. So I'm on the mend. Still a bit weak and out of breath but improving.
    Hopefully it was a one off, and a bit of thoughtlessness on the part of the chap who lit the bonfire. We can all make mistakes and we all know what it can be like trying to get things cleaned up in the garden ready for winter.
    I went and saw him today and explained what had happened and he was very apologetic. He now understandsthat it wasn't a great idea and has promised smaller and less impactful burns in future. He is new to the area having just bought and moved into the property and was not aware what effect such a huge bonfire could have.
    I am a bottle of wine and an apology better off for which I would not have been had I gone in guns blazing and all uptight about it. He is now better educated aswell and no bad blood.
     
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    Decent of him that he took it onboard, and apologised and all is well that ends well.
     
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    Well if you treat people decently you usualy get a decent response. If you don't get a decent response after treating them nicely then they are a sharp pointy thing if you get my drift!.:) :)
     
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