Here is a bit more info on the original, I know who made the design changes to the NOW named Dartmoor Survival knife(as they bought the bits up from WS) there is a good thread on BB which I will find once its back up and running
Ummm I have a new knife! A Wilkinson Sword Survival knife in NATO black!!
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ok....johns porn has left me refreshed so i've had a read....indeed then its a piece of history and not just a bit of army surplus....so ok ok....nice find for your collection (of which i'm growing increasingly jealous)....
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And will be used till it dies or I it wears out, I hate having things that don't get used, so even if it is destined to be a tent peg or will allow me to cut my way out of a terrible bookcase collapse it will be used
lolol...yup....i'm still reeling from the fact that you use your woodlore...i would if i had one too but i've never met, or read of, anyone else doing so lol....respect.
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ps dont suppose youll be bringing it to wg?
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ps dont suppose youll be bringing it to wg?
Haha i know of Four others who do\have used theirs quite a bit, No I wont be staying over night there now, just gonna have a days look around
, No I wont be staying over night there now, just gonna have a days look around
I've given some thought as to why I'm not keen on this. I haven't used one although I did have a 'bare' blade at one point for a mod job but realised the value was high untouched so moved it on.
I have some thoughts......
1 - I just don't really get the need for the second edge on the back - I'm sure someone can explain it!
2 - saw back. The teeth on the one I had were very aggressive but on a saw that long, I'm dubious as to how easy it would be to use compared to battoning notches out (what do people really need to cut down that's big?) but having teeth restricts how I can hold the knife in my hand and more points to nip me.
3. I understand the choil as somewhere to drop my hand further forward for finer work but I think for me, I would be doing that a lot. Why not move the edge back or would that change the balance so it's very blade heavy for fine work? I think this one might just be a visual issue - it's quite harsh on the eyes.
4. souless boring handle. I like some curves for fitting my hand better. If I'm going to chop with it, I like a bit of a flair at the end. I suppose it needs to be quite symmetrical if it's going to be used upside down for the saw, but if the saw goes ( ) the handle can change too.
Yes, I understand the idea is it's a survival knife but I think I have a different view to some (the designers) but then my thoughts are also not backed by full on survival experience.
I think as a starting platform it actually has potential but to me it just looks rubbush and it's hard to get past that mentally.
Interestingly, when i googled for side on pics for photoshopping (i'll put them up later if i get chance) I found the pic above on Paul Kirtley's blog (http://paulkirtley.co.uk/2011/dartmoor-survival-knife/) I haven't read it all yet as it's lots of words for me but I have read the final thoughts and they do suggest it's a usable knife. When I get chance, I'll see if he'll change my view on it.
I have some thoughts......
1 - I just don't really get the need for the second edge on the back - I'm sure someone can explain it!
2 - saw back. The teeth on the one I had were very aggressive but on a saw that long, I'm dubious as to how easy it would be to use compared to battoning notches out (what do people really need to cut down that's big?) but having teeth restricts how I can hold the knife in my hand and more points to nip me.
3. I understand the choil as somewhere to drop my hand further forward for finer work but I think for me, I would be doing that a lot. Why not move the edge back or would that change the balance so it's very blade heavy for fine work? I think this one might just be a visual issue - it's quite harsh on the eyes.
4. souless boring handle. I like some curves for fitting my hand better. If I'm going to chop with it, I like a bit of a flair at the end. I suppose it needs to be quite symmetrical if it's going to be used upside down for the saw, but if the saw goes (
) the handle can change too.Yes, I understand the idea is it's a survival knife but I think I have a different view to some (the designers) but then my thoughts are also not backed by full on survival experience.
I think as a starting platform it actually has potential but to me it just looks rubbush and it's hard to get past that mentally.
Interestingly, when i googled for side on pics for photoshopping (i'll put them up later if i get chance) I found the pic above on Paul Kirtley's blog (http://paulkirtley.co.uk/2011/dartmoor-survival-knife/) I haven't read it all yet as it's lots of words for me but I have read the final thoughts and they do suggest it's a usable knife. When I get chance, I'll see if he'll change my view on it.
One quick P'shop I did was to remove the front choil, just stretching the blade back.
i think it changes the appearance of it a lot and t looks much less daft.
i think it changes the appearance of it a lot and t looks much less daft.
Your not wrong mate, that looks great, could you reduce the guard by two thirds with that? I think we need knives like this to look at and play with, even if it is just to confirm what we like and what we. Don't.
I actually liked the choking up choil on those things. To remove it as in the above piccy would remove quite a lot of functionality for me and make it harder to use and reduce hand power for certain tasks because it balances better in the hand the further you choke forward and it works with you and not against you.
I agree Jon. I would use it with the choil quite a bit and removing it like I have has meant the finger can't get as close to the blade edge. It was meant more as a eealisation for me as to why the original looks rubbish. Just an aesthetic thing!
Would now love to try one out properly!
Would now love to try one out properly!
Change it completely. Put the choil back in and make it an integral guard. I'm going to have to doodle now!
(as if I don't have enough to do!!)
True, but if you take that away and reduce the guard, it starts to look like most other knives out there of this ilk. I like its bold design. I even like the original over this one because of that. Sans bottle opener and serrated portion though. Dem fings is just daft.
Hey dude, I will send you mine.
No proper play time at the mo! Got too much on. Thanks though.
No proper play time at the mo! Got too much on. Thanks though.
What evs, wasn't gonna fo realz any way
Would now love to try one out properly!
Dammit, I had a couple of these and used them loads around 2003/4. I even bought an original then too, in mint condition. I regret selling that and haven't seen one come up for sale since. I doubt I'd use them much at all now (which is why I sold them), but they are fun to play with. Like the First Blood knife, I craved these as a young teenager, and they do bring back great memories.
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