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toilet digger

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does anyone one have experiance or knowledge of what i have heard referred to as stinkholes?
from what i have observed, it is a stock fence cordoned off area approx 5m x 5m in an isolated ravine. in it contains a very large quantity of carcasses of various type. presumably to lure corvids, raptors and foxes.
i checked the CPS guidelines on wildlife legislation defences and exemptions. and the BASC site is chocolate kettle in regards to pest control practice.
if anyone has any info it would be much appreciated.
 

Shewie

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The only one I know about is near an Osprey nest where the authorities were trying to re-establish a breeding pair.
 

Bowlander

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I bet some interesting pics came up when you googled 'stinkhole'!

More commonly known as middens, they are legal, designed to lure foxes into snares.

Normal snaring rules apply and there are restrictions on the type of bait used (not livestock).
 

toilet digger

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found this in a RSPCA newletter. http://www.rspb.org.uk/Images/legaleagle58_tcm9-223309.pdf
puts it into context a bit.



On 17 November 2008, farmer Alasdair Mundell of
Lawesknow Farm, Beattock, and part-time gamekeeper
Douglas James McMillan of Beechgrove, Moffat, pleaded
guilty at Dumfries Sheriff Court to the use of two
self-locking snares contrary to the Wildlife & Countryside
Act 1981.They were both fined £250. SSPCA Inspector Mark
Rafferty reports.
“On 10 April 2008, I received an anonymous call stating that
dead and dying sheep were in a field at Lawesknow Farm,
Beattock, Dumfries and Galloway. The following day I visited
the area with a colleague using powers under the Animal
Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act 2006 to inspect the welfare
of the stock. We located Mr Mundell, the farm owner,
explained the purpose of our visit and he agreed to
accompany us.
In a nearby field a large ‘stink pit’ or ‘midden’ was found
containing several sheep carcasses. A ‘stink pit’ is the generic
name given to an area where the carcasses of dead animals
are left to attract foxes. The ‘stink pit’ had been fenced off and
two access holes contained a snare, intended for foxes as they
tried to reach the contents of the ‘stink pit’. This is a common
practice on many farms and estates and is legal providing the
dead animals are not domestic stock, and snares are operated
in accordance with the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981.
However, when we examined the snares we found they were
of an illegal type known as ‘self-locking’. Snares should be free
running, so when an animal is caught, the snare releases
tension when the animal stops struggling. The animal is
restrained and can be humanely dispatched when the snare is
checked. ‘Self-locking’ snares continue to tighten when an
animal struggles, most often resulting in a painful death by
strangulation. Should any non-target species be caught within
a ‘self-locking’ snare, such as lamb, dog, badger, cat, otter, the
consequences are often fatal. We found a further self-locking
snare stored in an outbuilding.
We interviewed Mundell who admitted owning and using
the snares to target foxes that he thought were killing his
lambs. However, he stated that an employee, Douglas
McMillan, had set them. McMillan was interviewed and
accepted setting the snares.
Whilst ‘self-locking’ snares are illegal and inherently cruel,
the SSPCA believes that even legal forms of snaring are
indiscriminate and unnecessary and have called for a ban
on their use. Following consultation, in February 2008, the
Scottish Government refused to ban animal snares, opting
instead to further regulate the practice. New regulations
include the compulsory fitting of safety stops, identification
tags, bans on drag snaring and the placing of snares in
certain locations. The SSPCA will continue to monitor the
overall situation should the legislation be reviewed again
in the future.”
Snared!
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Shewie

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That sounds like a different thing to what I've seen, there might have been cameras set up to monitor the birds.
 

Bowlander

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If there are livestock carcasses in there its illegal, not sure about deer carcasses though.

A properly used midden is a useful tool in the control of foxes - legal predator control benefits all ground nesting birds.

If you google "middens snares" there are a quite a number of sites with more info.
 

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Funny this one comes up as I was driving through an area a while ago (I often drive up that way) and although there were quite a few dead rabbets on the road I didn't see a single Buzzard, not seen any that way for some time and the surrounding areas have quite a few.
Usually the buzzards cruise the roads carrying a fish slice* looking for dead rabbets to peel up off the road and eat.

Went walking with my brother and we spotted a Larsen Trap (which are legal for trapping corvids as long as stuff like Raptors are freed) and its coincidentally on the border of a Grouse area.

Now, obviously that's not evidence of wrongdoing but it did make me wonder.







*Ok, so I might be pushing it a bit with the Fish Slice comment but...
 

toilet digger

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phoned the local WCO, said he will be having a look, probably nowt but as its on a working grouse moor and in 3 years i have yet to see a single raptor :confused: maybe a case of 2+2=5 but the majority of wildlife crime in scenarios like this is committed by gamekeepers.
 
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raptor persecution is statisticly the remit of keepers and estate staff, with a few egg collecters to boot.
in respect of the keepers, it boils down to conflict of interest; a high pressure job, with employers demanding productive shoots.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/files/nwcu-annual-report10.pdf

I would take issue with that, and the DEFRA report. I know there is a few bad keepers out there but from personal experience it's keepers getting the blame for the actions of others.
 

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