Oddity shotgun question

[British Red]

Okay guys, a weird shotgun "feature" I have never encountered before.

A little back story. We picked up a cheap 12 bore over and under for my wife a couple of weeks back


Winchester model 99 O/U by British Red, on Flickr


Winchester model 99 broken by British Red, on Flickr

The gun is a Winchester model 99


Winchester model 99 by British Red, on Flickr

It is, as you can see, a double trigger


Winchester model 99 double trigger by British Red, on Flickr

So far, so normal. Cheap, fixed choke double trigger game gun.

Here is the weird thing - which only came to light after my wife and I went clay breaking. The rear trigger fires the top barrel.

The front trigger fires the bottom barrel and then on a second pull the top barrel.


There is no selector for the front trigger - it always fires the bottom barrel first, the rear trigger only ever fires the top barrel. In effect its a sort of odd hybrid between a double trigger and a selectable single trigger.

Anyone ever encountered anything like it?

 

[abominable_scouse_monster]

That is bizzare, how is it otherwise?

 

[resnikov]

Cannot help you with this one but its a nice looking gun.

 

[British Red]

That is bizzare, how is it otherwise?

Bores are nice and bright, locks up tight. Fixed chokes (1/4 and 1/2), selective ejector, 28" barrels. Ideal rough shooting or basic clay gun - for £200 including some cheap shells, I'd buy another one tomorrow.

When I shoot it though, there is frequently a clay shaped hole in the shot pattern - no other way of explaining the lack of clay dust in the air is there? This does seem to be a feature of all our guns on occasions though

 

[resnikov]

When I shoot it though, there is frequently a clay shaped hole in the shot pattern - no other way of explaining the lack of clay dust in the air is there? This does seem to be a feature of all our guns on occasions though

Funny my clay gun has the same problem.

 

[lannyman8]

could it be a broken trigger assembly some how, maybe it jumps because of the first shot????? if it is supposed to be like it then its very well worth holding onto, because i have never heard of it either, could be worth some wonger to a collector....????

nice gun though, as you say nice and neat, clean lines, great game gun... go Fi go...:notworthy

 

[spandit]

Just guessing but if both barrels are loaded with the same, then using one trigger for both makes sense but if you have the top barrel loaded differently (or even with a rifle conversion tube thing) then you have the option to fire that one independently...?

 

[British Red]

It certainly makes sense to be able to choose barrel spandit - hence the selector on most single trigger guns (also allows to select the choke you want to use even if using the same load). Its just really odd to have a double trigger gun where one trigger fires both barrels in sequence - they are normally one trigger to one barrel.

I'm pretty sure its intentional Chris, it doesn't release both barrels (which I have seen), it has to be released between shots and it fires each crisply and consistently.

Weird huh?

 

[spandit]

From someone who knows nothing it makes sense for it to be like your new gun - allows a quick second shot without taking finger off the trigger. Can't find any information online about the Model 99 either, very strange

 

[Dave-the-rave]

My dad had a gun like that years ago, a side by side. If I remember right it was a Baikal. It was definitely Russian.
That was back in the 60's/70's.

 

[santaman2000]

I'm finding conflicting data online regarding the model 99. One article describes the gun you have (but doesn't go into trrigger detail) Another describes it as a SBS coach gun with exposed hammers.

Apparently you did get a good price though; the latest price I can find here (online) is $450 back in 2006.

I've never seen one (or any gun with a trigger system such as that. But it does seem like the logical firing sequence; more open choke first and more closed one next as the target gets farther away.

 

[British Red]

Thanks sanatman - can you provide a link to the article that describes the O/U model 99 please?

TIA

 

[santaman2000]

Not really a proper "article" BR. Just a few comments on another forum. But here you go: www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=67601 I'll see if I can dig up anything else. If I do, I'll send it to you.

 

[santaman2000]

It might be worth writing directly to Winchester. I once sent them a letter requesting info on Grandaddy's model 12 that I'd inherited. They sent me a fairly comprehensive history of the model from it's introduction in 1912 until it's decommissioning in the 1950s.

They could conceivably even supply you with a copy of the owner's manual. Here's a loink to their site: www.winchesterguns.com And here's the contact info (sorry I can't find a mailing address but there are phone numbers)

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[timbox]

This is not unique to this gun, Laurona also made a gun with the same set up. Both very well made and reliable you had a good buy!

 

[British Red]

Thanks for the info Santaman - its clearly an oddball as I have been through the available manuals and there isn't one available online. It doesn't stress me hugely - its a cheap gun for some practice on clays and some game use. For the money, I have no complaints - its just a curiosity about the trigger set up really - it works well, so all is good!

 

[British Red]

This is not unique to this gun, Laurona also made a gun with the same set up. Both very well made and reliable you had a good buy!

Cheers - its no fancy new silver pigeon - but I can miss just as well with this one for less money. I suspect our money would be better spent buying extra cartridges and practicing than on a fancy new gun!