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After Dunblane the Duke of Edinburgh said
" it's a good job he didn't use a cricket bat "
The French have a saying " you can't legislate against mad men "
Did they ban 8oz. ball pain hammers after Sutcliffe ???
" it's a good job he didn't use a cricket bat "
The French have a saying " you can't legislate against mad men "
Did they ban 8oz. ball pain hammers after Sutcliffe ???
Perhaps some one could draw the govts attention to the following, I can just imagine the next set of 'amnesties'
http://www.ydr.com/newsfull/ci_3824754
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,,1779433,00.html
http://www.ydr.com/newsfull/ci_3824754
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,,1779433,00.html
Mantic said:Instances of knife related crimes go up as do firearm related crimes (not sure how that happened since the government baned pistols, et al -
It is often said and/or implied that Government got it wrong in banning licensed ownership of handg-ns whenever the subject of increased g-n crime is mentioned. They did not in the context of what they sought to achieve and I say that as someone who walked into Sevenoaks Police Station some years ago with a rather fine Limited Edition S&W .44 Special and came out empty-handed.
The fact is they have been 101% successful in ensuring that never again does someone walk into a school with a LEGALLY held handg-n.
Draw you own conclusion with regard to what president or otherwise this sets for the interests and freedoms of certain minorities among which we might include hairy men in woolen shirts mooching about woodland with bl--dy great knives?
Cheers!
Well, not entirely true. You can still own black powder pistols, rifles, shotguns, air-rifles, crossbows, bows, slingshots, et al. All have been used to kill people but they haven't been banned.
I disagreed with it then and I do so now.
BTW if you came out empty handed, then you were robbed - I presume you are forgetting the compensation...... I handed my Glock 17 in at Hereford - no compensation for me but at least it's still in use on the range.
If the government was that interested in saving lives then it would increase the legal age for driving. It doesn't, simply because of the terrible PR it would cause. Ultimately, when you pass more laws you get more law breakers and society, through an increased loss in 'rights and freedoms' (I use those terms with great caution) becomes weaker as a result.
On another note, we have a road nearby, upon which a couple of young lads were tragically killed whilst driving. A number of people have argued (fortunately without success...so far) that 2/3rds of the accidents on the road occur after dark - consequently it should be closed during night hours.
The mind boggles. Don't they realise that closing it after dark might stop accidents happening at night but all of a sudden, 100% of the accidents which occur will be during the daytime
Of the 'let's ban knives' brigade, I heard this not so slong ago. More than 50% of knife attacks are caused by knives longer than 6" - therefore all 6"+ knives should be banned. Can you see where I'm going with this.
I kicked up a stink when they banned pistols but knives! Gods! I have to draw the line somewhere.....'not unless they <mutter> pry it from my cold <mumble mutter> dead fingers'.
I disagreed with it then and I do so now.
BTW if you came out empty handed, then you were robbed - I presume you are forgetting the compensation......
I handed my Glock 17 in at Hereford - no compensation for me but at least it's still in use on the range. If the government was that interested in saving lives then it would increase the legal age for driving. It doesn't, simply because of the terrible PR it would cause. Ultimately, when you pass more laws you get more law breakers and society, through an increased loss in 'rights and freedoms' (I use those terms with great caution) becomes weaker as a result.
On another note, we have a road nearby, upon which a couple of young lads were tragically killed whilst driving. A number of people have argued (fortunately without success...so far) that 2/3rds of the accidents on the road occur after dark - consequently it should be closed during night hours.
The mind boggles. Don't they realise that closing it after dark might stop accidents happening at night but all of a sudden, 100% of the accidents which occur will be during the daytime
Of the 'let's ban knives' brigade, I heard this not so slong ago. More than 50% of knife attacks are caused by knives longer than 6" - therefore all 6"+ knives should be banned. Can you see where I'm going with this.
I kicked up a stink when they banned pistols but knives! Gods! I have to draw the line somewhere.....'not unless they <mutter> pry it from my cold <mumble mutter> dead fingers'.
When I used to be involved with black powder weapons you needed not only the relevant Shotgun or firearms certificate but also a licence to aquire (or aquire and keep or have your home as a powder store) the black powder.
The need to have a fire inspection or police man so I could have 500g of gun powder was obviously greater than inspecting or licencing those who buy £1000 of fireworks
The need to have a fire inspection or police man so I could have 500g of gun powder was obviously greater than inspecting or licencing those who buy £1000 of fireworks
The knife amnesty does not affect me directly the problem I have with it is that it enhances the view that knives are weapons amongst the general public. For example I was collecting some nettles the other day with the help of a knife and had to take a good look round to make sure there were no people walking there dogs. (there wasnt probably because it was raining )If I was to use a knife in front of someone I would at the very least expect to be given a dirty look and thats not nice. Luckily I live in an area where I can get away from the beaten tracks if I wish too, but Im not sure if everyone can do this.
I wouldn't pick nettles where dogs are about, they might be er contaminated.............Jonlaurens ch said:
Bump laurens ch (and JP ).
It's truly stupid that we have to be careful doing something which is totally legal. It's not just the media or the government - the Police have also been guilty of issuing information that is incorrect or misleading. Hey, even some PCs haven't a clue about knife laws and regulations.
Not necessarily their fault mind, but still a problem that could do with being addressed (imho).
).It's truly stupid that we have to be careful doing something which is totally legal. It's not just the media or the government - the Police have also been guilty of issuing information that is incorrect or misleading. Hey, even some PCs haven't a clue about knife laws and regulations.
Not necessarily their fault mind, but still a problem that could do with being addressed (imho).
Mantic said:Bump laurens ch (and JP
It's truly stupid that we have to be careful doing something which is totally legal.
I dunno, is it?
Clay pigeon shooting is totally legal, but I think it's reasonable that some care is taken.
Jon Pickett said:
It's like picking brambles, if in doubt, always take them from above dog peeing level & not near football grounds
Nettles thrive in nitrogen rich soil; landscape archaeologists can use them as an indicator species for finding old byres and the like.
Cheers,
Toddy
The nettles I picked were not on the side of the path but a further away and didn't look disturbed.
Mantic said:Well, not entirely true. You can still own black powder pistols, rifles, shotguns, air-rifles, crossbows, bows, slingshots, et al. All have been used to kill people but they haven't been banned.
I disagreed with it then and I do so now.
BTW if you came out empty handed, then you were robbed - I presume you are forgetting the compensation......
If the government was that interested in saving lives then it would increase the legal age for driving. It doesn't, simply because of the terrible PR it would cause. Ultimately, when you pass more laws you get more law breakers and society, through an increased loss in 'rights and freedoms' (I use those terms with great caution) becomes weaker as a result.
On another note, we have a road nearby, upon which a couple of young lads were tragically killed whilst driving. A number of people have argued (fortunately without success...so far) that 2/3rds of the accidents on the road occur after dark - consequently it should be closed during night hours.
The mind boggles. Don't they realise that closing it after dark might stop accidents happening at night but all of a sudden, 100% of the accidents which occur will be during the daytime
Of the 'let's ban knives' brigade, I heard this not so slong ago. More than 50% of knife attacks are caused by knives longer than 6" - therefore all 6"+ knives should be banned. Can you see where I'm going with this.
I kicked up a stink when they banned pistols but knives! Gods! I have to draw the line somewhere.....'not unless they <mutter> pry it from my cold <mumble mutter> dead fingers'.
Clearly I didnt make my point as well as I could have but please be in no doubt that I too most certainly do not agree with what was done here. I simply alert people to the president set by this change in law and how Governments are willing to ignore the interests of certain minorities when political expedience is the order of the day. Yes, I forgot the bit about black powder pistols but this aside the ban has still been totally successful for only a fool could have failed to see this law had nothing to do with curbing the type of gun crime stalking our streets each day and everything to do with the understandable demand of the parents & families of those children murdered in Dunblane and, it must be acknowledged, many UK citizens who have no interest in shooting etc.
With regard to compensation I most certainly received monies to cover the items value but in no way do I feel this comes close to compensating for what my fellow shooters and I lost that day. "Robed is indeed a more aprpopraite word when I reflect on the loss of this particularly freedom and for many (I am predominantly a Rifleman) an interest that was a way of life.
Cheers
Yup Klenchblaize, I did miss your point. Just as much my fault m8!
That piece of politcal maneouvering hurt a lot of people, so for those involved, we're somewhat paranoid about the current signs concerning knife ownership.
Martyn - I wasn't suggesting that we shouldn't have to be careful with knives, just that we shouldn't have to fear taking advantage of what is a legal right. I was suggesting that we shouldn't worry about using knives in a safe and legal fashion. How many of us here use knives out in the open but with fear of someone from the general public misinterpreting the law / our actions and thinking that we're breaking the law? How many of us take a quick look around to make sure that some ignorant soul isn't going to appear out of the bushes and proclaim that our actions are illegal, immoral, thugish, etc? I've read similar comments from several BCUK members so I know that a sense of paranoia is felt by many.
It saddens me that we should feel this way doing something, which if performed safely and within the law, really shouldn't get associated with the terrible acts which a tiny minority of *&^%$%£$@! seem intent on doing.
Hope that makes sense
That piece of politcal maneouvering hurt a lot of people, so for those involved, we're somewhat paranoid about the current signs concerning knife ownership.
Martyn - I wasn't suggesting that we shouldn't have to be careful with knives, just that we shouldn't have to fear taking advantage of what is a legal right. I was suggesting that we shouldn't worry about using knives in a safe and legal fashion. How many of us here use knives out in the open but with fear of someone from the general public misinterpreting the law / our actions and thinking that we're breaking the law? How many of us take a quick look around to make sure that some ignorant soul isn't going to appear out of the bushes and proclaim that our actions are illegal, immoral, thugish, etc? I've read similar comments from several BCUK members so I know that a sense of paranoia is felt by many.
It saddens me that we should feel this way doing something, which if performed safely and within the law, really shouldn't get associated with the terrible acts which a tiny minority of *&^%$%£$@! seem intent on doing.
Hope that makes sense
ArkAngel said:
I'll agree with that from my own experience, most fatal stabbings, if not all, that I have witnessed have been from kitchen knives.
Strangely enough, I have never experienced 'glares' or comments from people when using a knife, ever. I have to carry very sharp knives around with me every day, and usually they are covered in human blood from multiple sources... SOCO (or whatever PC name they have nowadays) would have a field day with my car boot contents!!
What is it with your politicians and banning things? I shake my head in dispair.
Come on down to New Zealand, bring all your knives and air rifles, rifles etc etc and enjoy our ourdoors.
Come on down to New Zealand, bring all your knives and air rifles, rifles etc etc and enjoy our ourdoors.
i was the victim of an attempted murder last june when some nutter opened my car door whilst i was about to go and collect my wife from the doctors and stabbed me in the neck 4 mm from my jugular then tried to cut my throat but was diverted up to my lip leaving me with a bit of a scar and an overwhelming paranoia to lock my car door now every time im in it, not forgetting the plastic surgery i have to get to fix my muscles and nerves etc. but when my car was taken away for forensics i informed them that i had a knife in my glove box ( paul baker bushcraft) and explained to them what it was for only to be told that i had nothing to worry about as i had a legitimate excuse to have it and there is no worry in having it in my car. i think also the fact that we as bushcrafters spend quite a bit on our knives and no more about what steel etc they are made of that we have our excuse to have the knives. i believe all of us are aware about where and how we use our knives. it also shows how thoughtfull we are that even though these stupid amnestys are going on, and we have nothing really to fear from the current uk knife laws ( we have our legitimate explanation to have a knife) we are still willing to discuss in length on topics such as these. laws that are in place to try and stop criminals from doing what happened to me, not to stop us from doing what we all love. amnestys will never stop knife crime, the tools never do the crime, it is the hand holding the weapon that need to stop and if more time was spent on getting these people then life could get better. also if the police wanted an amnesty on knives, then what about the baseball bats, golf clubs, screw drivers, chisels, and hammers too!! the police do a fantastic job but i feel that their resources are wasted on such public campaigns. my attacker has never been caught nor do i think he ever will. i am resigned to that fact. i know though that an amnesty would never stop what happened to me.
