calling army rucksack experts (pic heavy)

[Peter_t]

anyone take a guess what this is???

i brought it off ebay. it said it was swedish but im not so sure as there isn't the usual three crown sign as with other swedish kit im not worried if its not, i just wanted it because it is a fairly small rucksack but has a frame which iv been after for a while now, and it just looked interesting.

sorry about the pics, it started raining so was a bit hasty and i think i got raindrops on the lense

its made from a heavy rubberised material and is similar size and shape to the old 58 pattern webbing sack and has a helmet spider on the front which i will probably remove.

it has a thick padded bit on the bottom and the straps are made of a heavy cotton material.

im guessing these clips and straps are for use with a webbing system?

under the lid it has these great compression straps and a massive draw string to keep the rain out, much to my liking

thanks
pete

 

[drewdunnrespect]

do not have a cku in regards your question but it looks nice

 

[Ahjno]

What does the stamp say?

Looks French, but I'm no expert - so I'm probably wrong

 

[Peter_t]

What does the stamp say?

Looks French, but I'm no expert - so I'm probably wrong

ah i new there was somethin i forget! haha

i says..

grosse lieferant/jahrzahl
juriens 95
lebrassus

is this french? the o in grosse has two dots on top

pete

 

[jayuk]

The cotton shoulder straps are definitely German (West German) webbing Y straps. They were used from the 1960s until the early 1990s. They are also used as shoulder straps with a basic cotton rucksack.

I haven't seen your rucksack part before though.

 

[jayuk]

Ok, from the stamp, the pack is Swiss and the shoulder straps are German.

 

[Ahjno]

ah i new there was somethin i forget! haha

i says..

grosse lieferant/jahrzahl
juriens 95
lebrassus

is this french? the o in grosse has two dots on top

pete

That's german, so it's either from Germany, Austria or Switzerland.
Made by (or better: delivering agent) Juriens in 1995.

Found this: made of heavy canvas instead of rubberised stuff, states it's East-German.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13651031&postcount=44

 

[jayuk]

The pack was made in Juriens, Switzerland. The shoulder straps were taken from West German Y straps (the ring, one pice of cotton webbing and a clip have been removed).

 

[slasha9]

WOW! that looks great! where did you get it ? and can i ask how much????

 

[Miyagi]

It looks like an updated version of 58 webbing large pack (which was anything but).

Post the question and foto on the army rumour service website (arrse) and you'll have the old and bold fighting over themselves to ID it.

atb

Liam

 

[The Cumbrian]

Dunno what it is, but it looks like it would make a good canoe day pack.

 

[walker]

in true military fashion it dosent look very comfy maybe a bit of a spine bender

 

[11binf]

as jayuk said the pack in question is swiss with added west german Bw combat suspenders added ,maybe by the surplus shop? in order to sell the pack...i think the complete swiss webbing system is called the M90 combat equipment,and even has rubberized fabric kidney pouches in the set...i haven't posted in a long time ,hows everybody doing ?.... vince g. 11b inf..

 

[RAPPLEBY2000]

that's what I was going to say!

It looks ever so much like a 58" pack! it's more than a passing resemblance!
The British Army did run some trials of "Nylon" 58" webbing that never saw general issue I'm wondering if this is the same design.

some of the parts look like the GS patrol sack, and some parts look East German! I'm guessing some designer borrowed the best bit's from each!

BTW Spanish fastenings on photo 4! now used on PLCE webbing.

the pad shown on the lower back here would suggest it was designed to fit on a frame, this added to the fact the canvas shoulder straps have been added by the surplus store It's safe to assume this sack is part of a frame rucksack!
The shoulder straps would have probably been removable so the frame could be used as a radio carrier (like the British Army one).

The padding probably standing proud of the frame to give very basic comfort, The sack probably had a frame and straps similar to this
the GS patrol sack (or SAS/para used the same frame but was a much larger sack).
note the padding behind the frame:

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Here is the only photo I've ever come across of the Nylon 58" webbing!

if it was made identically to the cotton version It would have had a Nylon 58" large pack! hm!

 

[11binf]

hi RAPPLEBY2000,for sure the swiss webbing has roots in the British P-58 webbing...it also has a little nest on the pack cross straps for the helmet...great to hear from you !...i guess the swiss liked the concept of the P-58 and adapted it to suit them,bully!....vince g. 11b inf..

 

[andybysea]

It is a interesting pack, its got its own shoulder straps so doesnt need a yoke,and its attachments wouldnt fit a 58 type yoke,(ive got a nylon 58 exact same fitting as the canvas one)its obviously designed to sit high n the back so the wearer must have some sort of kidney pouches, with the quick release clips its probably no older than the 80's but the alu attachments do look like central european type kit, i will have a trawl through some of my books.

 

[MrEd]

looks uncomfortable and rank to me......

 

[Rabbitsmacker]

lots of German clips and straps on it, like the older issue stuff and the mountain packs, spanish clips on the pockets are later style german, swiss type. is it really that brown? swiss stuff i thought was olive, as rappleby says copied from us, but in the butyl nylon type stuff. i'd guess at that region but wouldn't put my savings on saying a specific country. looks uncomfortable though i have to say. interesting one though.

 

[RAPPLEBY2000]

(ive got a nylon 58 exact same fitting as the canvas one)

could you post a pic for comparison?

 

[The Cumbrian]

Is it possible to completely remove the frame?

Cheers, Michael.