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Environment, Action and the Old Days

Discussion in 'Other Chatter' started by C_Claycomb, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. Robson Valley

    Robson Valley Full Member

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    Just about every last sophisticated thing that you can lay your hand on was invented by us "ignorant old gits."
    Think very carefully before you decide to tug on Superman's cape.
     
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    not at all. Society has always had visionaries who look ahead. Old gits are always in a very small minority, but often make a lot of noise. :)
     
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    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    You need to look into the age distribution more closely, I think....

    It was nice to see those old gits chaining themselves to railings, shouting, building barricades, crapping in buckets. Glueing themselves to various businesses.

    I recall most barricades were built using wheelchairs and zimmer frames and those two wheeled Tartan covere shopping wagons?

    There is a reason the 'Elders' ruled all societies in the past.
     
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    Old visionaries are different from old gits.
     
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    Check your demographics.
    Us geezers are fast becoming the biggest population cohort the world has ever seen.
    We have the money, the time and the property.
     
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    frightening, although perhaps not the time.
     
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    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    No, RV is not entirely correct there. The Uneployable have the same time, but for longer.
    Unless the waiting time is very long at the Benefits office?

    Replanting is a very worthwhile task. Collecting the various seeds from across the country, establish a planting procedure, preparing the soil, planting. Weeding maybe.

    If Europe starts to replant large areas, we will see a huge difference in all wildlife and less flooding.

    Even individual trees make a difference.
     
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    I'm at the very leading edge of the post-war (Dec.45) baby boom and there's a huge tribe
    that follows in the next decade. If there's anything, I regret 2 things:
    1. We have squandered resources.
    2. Garbage is the norm.
     
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    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    I regret all the garbage I threw around nature before -82 or so. No doubt the plastic remains have by now reach the seas.

    Todays Gen are also hugely polluting, but in a different way. Throw away fashion, Electronics made far away, using rare earth metals, plus they are hugely dependent on electricity. And consume lots of it.
    Each Gen has its negatives and positives.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    santaman2000 M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    Typically the noisiest are the young generation posturing. Even in nature.
     
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    santaman2000 M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    I’ve always been a hawk. That said, hawks take different sides. Y’all have seen enough of my posts over the years to know my stance on the right to bear arms. I’m as much a hawk against big government as I am for pro government. That means I supported a lot of the protest movement of the 1960s and 70s (my generation’s glory years)
     
  13. Janne

    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    I support cases like protesting against destruction of rivers, dam building, making new roads that are cutting through natural areas.
    Unless they have a hugely beneficial.

    Protest as much as you want, but do not destroy or damage other peoples lives or businesses.


    Right to own and use guns? Absolutely, but controlled/licensed. Like it is done in Europe. Works extremely well.

    Is it not an old American proverb, 'I give up my gun when you pry it from my dead cold fingers' ?
    That is me.

    I do not like Tazers though. Gives the police officer a false sense of safety. Intelligent criminals know that, and also know how they can shield themselves.
     
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    And these companies that manufacture and peddle throw away fashion, I wonder what the average age of their chief executive officers and board of directors are ?

    Sir Philip Nigel Ross Green, British billionaire businessman ? 67.

    Paul Merchant CEO Primark ? Looks about 15 to me,
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    Their founder died recently at age 83. Cunning and manipulative people these youngsters enticing old men into making themselves multi millionaires by marketing and selling them cheap disposable tat. What's the conspiracy theory behind Bill Gates and Steve Jobs being under the influence of the Seattle pre school mafia.
     
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    Theres quite a lot of tree planting going on up on the fells recently,
    Not in the obvious cash crop tree areas either, looks to me like its been planted to lessen flash floods forming as its on the areas where the rainfall usually just skates over the surface.
    I'm pretty convinced its been done to increase porosity.
     
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    There is a great response to a question about climate change. Part of it states that there are more trees in the western European countries now than there were 200 or so years ago. Because people didn't need to burn wood for warmth and heat. Coal and then nuclear power helped save a lot of trees. Large container ships and logging in the Amazon supplies the wood products needed, too, which of course has it's own problems.

    It's a massively complicated problem and anyone who claims to have a simple solution is either a fool or a liar.

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    of course it is, and if the rain forests are the lungs of the world, how do you get governments that are at each others necks over a multitude of "lesser" problems, to move in the right direction together. There will always be deniers of course.
     
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    In fact, it is the Oceans that are the lungs of the world.

    Yes, Europe ( all of it, not just western) has more forests then ever. But the fields used to be small, and divided by hedges, streams, stone walls, things like that. lots of wetlands/flood areas.
    Today much of the forests are planted and a mono culture.

    Also one type of biome seems to have vanished. Open fields for grazing. Lots of lowers, insects, birds.
    Now either monoforest covered, or covered with brush. Less flowers, less bees, less butterflies.
     
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    A “right” by its very definition ceases to be a right if “controls” are imposed on it. No, Europe’s system ain’t great at all.
     
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    You’re partly right; more recently scientists have shifted to believing the oceans are the lungs of the world. More oxygen by far from algae than from the rain forests. That said, that theory is still being analyzed and not taught as established fact just yet.

    However on the subject of the fields, most of them were wild forests before being cleared to make fields and plant hedges.
     

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