Daniel Boone challenge

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Might as well slip out of the closet and offer up my kit list as it stands at the moment...

Equipment
Sabre 75 rucksack
Czech army bedroll
Brit army basha unless I can sort out a canvas tarp in time (looking doubtful)
Paracord
14cm Zebra, cup, spork, Billbank bag
Firelighting kit
UCO tealight lantern
Dustrude folding saw
Woody clone, TBS Boar EDC, SAK

Clothing
Baselayer (either Aldi merino or Helikon Level 2 polyester)
Smartwool socks (with spares)
5.11 cotton shirt
Helikon nyco SFU trousers
Swanny Ranger
Swanny Bush Shirt
Rohan Field Vest (of several pockets)
Tilley T4 in the correct colour
Boots
Work gloves
Woolly hat & headover

Other
Map & compass
FAK
Personal admin kit
Backup/survival kit (pouch with the usual stuff plus some lifeboat rations)
Maintenance & repair kit (sharpener, sewing stuff, spinnaker tape)
Camera & binoculars
Small LED torch
Cellphone with off button activated

Possibles/Cheats/Unofficial
Camelbak attached to rucksack
Collins Gems on birds, trees and foraging
Laplander saw
Hatchet
Journal and scribble sticks
Shemagh
Walking stick
2 x baccy, papers & lighter (lighters only for smokes unless it all goes to shect)
Might bring a light rain jacket depending on forecast

Comments
I found that the bedroll will fold in half and fit into the bottom half of the rucksack, so I see little point (at the moment) in blowing money on something between the Sabre 75 and a daysack.
The Camelbak is an essential for me if I'm walking, but only to be used when walking (I drink small amounts constantly when I'm exerting).
The two Swannies is so that I have options for staying warm during the day, in the evening, and at night. Probably wear neither during the day unless it turns cold, Ranger in the evening, and the Bush Shirt is mainly to enhance warmth in the bedroll if needed (probably lie on top of it), or to wear in the evening if it turns really cold.
The large number of sharps is mainly to give me different things to try, to see what works for me.
Still to sort out food, but I'm a lazy git, so it will probably be mainly ratpack meals and pasta, with ratpack drinks and tea bags for brews. Will add cooking oil and salt, probably some fruit. Might look into bannock mix (or at least bring flour).
Need a water bottle for decanting purified water into, and some sort of cathole digging implement.
Location not finalised yet, but thinking of somewhere up the Trossachs. Hoping to do two nights, but undecided whether to camp in two locations or stay put and amuse myself with some camp craft, wildlife watching and maybe a bimble. Will plan things such that I can choose on the day.
 

9InchNinja

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Feb 9, 2012
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Right, I had a couple of attempts of this now, last nights slightly more Boonie than the first!
I don't have a camera though, and may mates phone went flat about 30 seconds after we arrived.

Kit list:

Frost River pack
2 x Dutch army wool blankets
brass uco candle lantern
self inflating sleep mat (cause I'm broken in places)
DD 3x3 tarp
21 inch oak folding saw
MLL knife
trangia mess tin
Spoony-Forker
stupidly simple insect repellent (more on this later)
paracord bits
Winston
Dog food
camelbak 3 ltr (dog drinking water)
drink & smokes for me

Clothing:
Bison Bushcraft hoody thing
shirt
bushman trousers
Danner Hawk boots
2 x shemagh

Arrived late afternoon to the woods, our usual camping spot is about a mile and a half into the woods.

Got the tarp thrown up against a tree, and made my bed for the night. Then I turned to see how my mate was getting on putting his self erecting tent up. He'd done that, but there was a sea of mozzies surrounding us. Out with the stupidly simple midge repellent! I covered myself in this, every bit of exposed skin got the treatment. Worked perfectly on the covered skin. This seemed to have the effect of driving them towards my noggin, so a thorough covering of head and beard was required.

With a wool top on I found the wool blankets stuck to me pretty well. Not idea as I struggle to lay still for any amount of time. I found that every time I rolled over the blankets would roll over with me, so either my **** was cold or the front of me was. Shemagh came in handy to help fend off the insects too, I had an earwig land on my face which not only made me emit a shrill squeak in a very feminine manner, but forced me to wrap my head in both shemaghs to make sure nothing crawled in my open mouth as I lay on the ground snoring like a beast.

I'm not 100% sure that ground dwelling is for me, I like my hammock. I will try again though with my stretcher bed hammock thing when I've finished it, or I'll put it up on an A frame. Something to keep me away from the creepy crawlies anyway.

I found the two blankets kept me perfectly warm (when I was actually under them) but the tarp set-up I used wasn't conductive to keeping Winston in one place. Had to stick him in the tent with my mate in the end, as I can't trust him enough not to wander off in the night.
 

Big Stu 12

Bushcrafter through and through
Jan 7, 2012
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Nice little wriht up there, thanks for sharring, I'll have to look in to this bug spray,

I tend not to wear anythng when I sleep, other then under garments, so dont have the problem with blanket stick,
 

BlueTrain

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Jul 13, 2005
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Hey, this is fascinating. I'm a little old for this sort of thing but Boone was still looking for elbow room when he was my age (67). He was in his 40s during the revolution but his military experiences were less than grand. He did get to be at Braddock's defeat, though, along with Washington. But since I'm from the Southern Highlands, as learned gentlemen call them (I never heard anyone there use that term), let me ask a few questions.

Can we bring a horse. I'm sure Boone probably did. It'd make carrying your stuff a lot easier, especially since you'll want a proper full-grown axe for building a stockade when you find a good place to settle. Also, is it all right to use a linsey-woolsey shirt, which I'm also certain Boone probably had, though leather (deerskin, no doubt) leggings and moccasins were most likely used instead of breeches, at least early on in his life, together with a loincloth. A rifle would also be indispensible for the Indians thereabouts never took kindly to the settlers. The Allegheny Front is marked in many places up and down the map with markers for massacres. I'm positive some resentment remains, if not the Indians themselves.

He would not have gone outside without a tomahawk and a couple of knives, that much is a given. Probably one woolen blanket was considered sufficent but I couldn't say where he may have obtained it. Most things were probably home-made or things left over from the war, the war being the French and Indian War, which is also well remembered by a few people. I recall noticing some French Canadian visitors to Ft. Necessity in Pennsylvania near where Braddock made his last mistake. But the monument there is British, not French.

I wonder if he took tea or coffee, but only because it would have been scarce on the frontier. Other beverages were more likely unless he were forced to drink water. Much could be said about the food but most of it would seem strange to modern tastes.

I wonder if he might have used a mule?
 

salad

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Sep 24, 2008
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Ohh man this thread is making me want to invest my hard earned money in a canvas pack and wool blanket .

I have had a couple of canvas packs over the years and have ended up selling them. Umm maybe they were not not the right ones for me umm must resist :)
 
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davidpingu

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Nov 3, 2012
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I want to try this too although I think its just starting to get to the time of year it could be rather cold with just a bedroll. I've not yet done an overnighter but trying my first one the weekend after next. I'll see what its like at around an expected 4 - 5 degrees Celsius overnight with a sleeping bag in reserve.

Certainly next summer I'll be up for this though :)

Out of interest is anyone willing to try this in the winter months with just a bedroll or 2 wool blankets???
 

BlueTrain

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Jul 13, 2005
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Pardon me if I make another post here so soon, although I won't go so far as to call it a contribution to knowledge. This is a thought provoking question and really quite a challenge.

When Daniel Boone roamed the woods in person, one could say that the things he used were modern. In fact, I'd venture to say that most of what he used remained in everyday use for the next hundred years, at least in places. That goes for his rifle, too. I am guessing that a lot of so-called modern items probably date from around 1900, give or take a few years. That would include aluminum pots, cigar lighters, flashlights/torches and so on. A few things showed up decades earlier, such as cartridge firearms, rubber sheets and factory made clothing. Yet muzzleloaders had not entirely disappeared by even 1920.

I would also venture to say that he and his companions probably did things when out and about that we would not do today, either because it's no longer permitted or otherwise possible or perhaps merely something we have never heard of. One thing is that they probably would have built a large fire when camping, though not for cooking but rather to keep away animals, for light and sometimes chiefly for heat. They may have taken time to build a so-called tomahawk shelter if it was worth the effort, which it would have been in cold weather. These days it's usually not possible to get away with even a little fire.

Foodwise, they (assuming he always had a companion) would have relied more on game than we could, supplimented by Indian style trail rations. Those "Indian style trail rations" are apparently forgotten history but it was something based on dried corn (maize). I doubt that use of such stuff lasted past our Civil War.

Much of Boone's woodlore came from the Indians, most of it first hand, too. But the Indians would have traveled even lighter than Boone would have. In fact, during the late 1700's, up until about 1790, Indians were known to travel relatively great distances on foot in the country familiar to Boone. Most came from Ohio and they traveled through Kentucky and into Virginia. That generally came to an end with their defeat by Wayne. Boone and his companions, however, would have travelled much lighter than we would have. Their gear was heavy but most of it got left at home. An essential bit of kit would have been his fire making outfit, though. That would have traveled with him but at home the fires were not allowed to go out.

Now, not much later than the period of Boone was the brief day of the mountain man. He would have used essentially the same gear as Boone would have but would have absolutely had horses. That would have been necessary because of the greater distances in the West. Some things would have been different because the country was different. But real changes were a long time coming in Boone's old stomping grounds.
 

santaman2000

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A few weeks ago I went to Missouri for the wedding of an old friend's daughter. While there I was privileged to visit the last home of Daniel Boone. It's an impressive two story, stone structure built by his son Nathan (where Nathan intended to live with his family and care for his then elderly father, Daniel) which took 14 years in construction. Hardly the frontier type we think of today but by then the frontier was more settled and he was aging.

There was also several other exhibits on the site such as an old church from the period and reproductions of period Grist Mill, Blacksmith, Schoolhouse. Trading Post, etc. And most interestingly, a flint knapper.
 

BlueTrain

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It's always something of a pilgrimage to visit such places. In our case, our pilgrimage was to Banbury.

Since the whole point of this project is to replicate the circumstances in the way of clothing and equipment that Boone might have used, it is interesting to speculate how much they may have changed in the 60 years or so during which he would have been the most active. Chances are, not very much, if at all. But the frontier changed. It moved further west in leaps and bounds. Lewis & Clark went on their trip in 1804 when Boone was 70 but that hardly marked the end of the frontier period. In fact, it could be said that some isolated places even in the East remained very frontier like for a hundred years (or more) after Boone's passing.

It is possible that Boone and other wanderers in the wilderness traveled little during the winter months, at least for long distances. Lewis & Clark holed up for the winter months. In the southern Applachians, however, winter is not as severe as it is further north or in the Rockies, and sometimes not as bad as August in San Francisco. But the years can vary greatly. The Indians, of course, would not have recognized the white man's idea of a wilderness.
 
N

Nomad

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Slightly revised kit list (changes in italics)...

Equipment
Sabre 45 rucksack
Czech army bedroll
Brit army basha unless I can sort out a canvas tarp in time (looking doubtful)
Paracord & bankline
12cm Zebra, cup, spork, Billbank bag, 2 x 1L water bottles
Firelighting kit
UCO tealight lantern
Woody clone, Boar EDC, SAK
Laplander saw
NATO entrenching tool

Clothing
Baselayer (either Aldi merino or Helikon Level 2 polyester)
Smartwool socks (with spares)
5.11 cotton shirt
Helikon nyco SFU trousers and/or waxed cotton overtrousers
Swanny Ranger
Swanny Bush Shirt
Rohan Field Vest (of several pockets)
Tilley T4 in the correct colour, or Hoggs waxed cotton 'Indiana' hat
Boots
Work gloves & thin thermal liners
Woolly hat & headover

Other
Map & compass
FAK
Personal admin kit
Backup/survival kit (pouch with the usual stuff plus some lifeboat rations)
Maintenance & repair kit (sharpener, sewing stuff, spinnaker tape)
Camera & binoculars
Small LED torch
Cellphone with off button activated

Possibles/Cheats/Unofficial
Camelbak attached to rucksack
Collins Gems on birds, trees and foraging
Hatchet
Journal and scribble sticks
Shemagh
Walking stick
2 x baccy, papers & lighter (lighters only for smokes unless it all goes to shect)
Might bring a heavy rain jacket depending on forecast

Comments/Changes
I ended up buying a Sabre 45 (Kit Monster had the best deal - oops, but WTH), and worked out a way to strap the bedroll onto the front with a bit of extra webbing (but no mods to the rucksack).
Scored a reel of 1.5mm tarred nylon bankline, so will bring some of that as well as the paracord.
Switched to a 12cm Zebra and its plate. Got two Osprey bottles and have a Crusader cup ordered. I might ditch the CamelBak.
Decided that the little saw is enough. Still debating whether to take the hatchet.
As reported elsewhere, NATO E-tool has been acquired.
Was considering dropping the Rohan vest, but might keep it, especially if I switch to the waxed overtrousers (need to try them on a bimble first). Rain jacket is now more likely to be a Ridgeline Monsoon smock than the light jacket I had in mind (much more robust).
Food still likely to be mainly ratpack meals and pasta, but considering some staples as well.
 
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Looking good mate.

When you hoping to get out to play?

When I can balance preparation, daylight and time off work. I'm a little bit concerned that the nights are ferr drawin' in (the whole year has shot by). Hopefully very soon.
 

boatman

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Feb 20, 2007
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Pinole from parched Indian corn was certainly known as late as Kephart's Camping and Woodcraft and presumably to his readers on into the 20's and beyond. Who actually used it and relied on it is the unknown. I see from Google that there are modern recipies for long distance runners and the like.

I see a lot of people are almost doubling their kit with back-up sleeping bags and the like but I do not understand this. Does it really matter if you have a cold supper because the traditional fire-making fails or have a chillier/damper night's sleep than usual?
 
Think it depends if you're looking at doing this as a bit of fun or as a serious challenge.
I'm not too fussed about cold food or a chillier nights sleep.
For others its a crucial part of enjoying themselves.
As long as people are gettin out and tryin stuff out I feel the challenge has been successful
 

Big Stu 12

Bushcrafter through and through
Jan 7, 2012
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Think it depends if you're looking at doing this as a bit of fun or as a serious challenge.
I'm not too fussed about cold food or a chillier nights sleep.
For others its a crucial part of enjoying themselves.
As long as people are gettin out and tryin stuff out I feel the challenge has been successful

Same here Sam.. I like the challenge.. but if getting people tryin it it means a bit fo extra kit or some moden day kit so what... just do it in the sprit of Boone and try some of the basic gear.. :)

we had a great sellection of kit at the 1st suffolk Boone... :)
 

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