karrimor sabre 45.

[multi]

Just wondering, is this pack is worth getting over other packs.
Thanks

Adam.

[Shewie]

The Sabre 45 is the last of my bushy packs that I've hung onto. Great build quality with plenty of options for expansion, tough and not too heavy, big enough for a weekend or week in the woods.

[Johnnyboy1971]

Its well made and will last. I found it a really good pack but either too big or too small ended up with a munro 30 and vulcan 100. Sabre is a comfy fit on me but cant say for someone else.

[andybysea]

I got rid of mine mainly due to it not being that comfy on me,(im 6ft-3) i did a few two nighters with it, but not big enough for longer(unless you have loads of uber light/small packable gear) i could just about get my winter bag,and clothes in main compartment,needed the side pouches for the rest.

[multi]

The 2 side pouches add thevolume to 75 litres., wide bag rather than tall. plus you can fasten a sleeping mat to the underneath I beleive.
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The 3 seperate compartments appeal to me more so than one. 75 litre space.

Thetent ill get is around. 45cm x 17 cm when packet, im hoping thatll fit in a side compartment

[lou1661]

I like mine, however the back is not adjustable so if your not the right size for it, you will find it uncomfortable. Also if you pack it full with side pockets filled to capacity too you can find yourself carrying a lot of weight. Sometimes a larger pack with a better back system is a better option.
That said, i do like mine and find it a usefull size for me and the packing system i use.

[multi]

I was hoping the waist belt was changable so I could incoporate a war belt for the survival and medical pouches and the nalgene pouch.

Is that possible on this pack?b

And does anyone know the height of the side pouches.

[JAG009]

I like mine but only for short trips , I did 100miles + in seven days with the pack weighing in at 25kg and found after day 4, i was finding it uncomfortable to say the least .
But for short trips to the woods (2 to 3 days ) its great,, holds loads with the side pockets ,,and is tough as old boots



Jason

[multi]

Oh christ, all my gears adding up to roughly. 12kg. Thats not including war belt and the pouches but does include the goods in the pouches, and possibly this karrimor pack.
Im not bothering with luxurys like bed mats and towels etc.

[lou1661]

Oh christ, all my gears adding up to roughly. 12kg. Thats not including war belt and the pouches but does include the goods in the pouches, and possibly this karrimor pack.
Im not bothering with luxurys like bed mats and towels etc.

The waist belt is fixed and sewn in, im not sure what a "war belt" is? and my deffinition of luxurys differs vastly from yours, I find a roll mat essential as a poor nights sleep leads to massive fatigue very quickly!

[multi]

A molle belt. Airsof belt, webbing belt etc.

[johnboy]

That weeks flown by...

The Sabre 45 has a fixed back length. So no adjustment of the measurement from waist belt to shoulder. Consequentaly you need to be mindful of the fit of the pack. Especially if your thinking of backpacking for a decent distance with it and your going to up its volume with the addition of side pouches. The other thing is the opening to the main sack can seem quite narrow.

As has been advised the waist belt is fixed.

[multi]

That weeks flown by...

The Sabre 45 has a fixed back length. So no adjustment of the measurement from waist belt to shoulder. Consequentaly you need to be mindful of the fit of the pack. Especially if your thinking of backpacking for a decent distance with it and your going to up its volume with the addition of side pouches. The other thing is the opening to the main sack can seem quite narrow.

As has been advised the waist belt is fixed.

Edited .........

[andybysea]

was'nt he trying to help? and agree with the narrow top opening.

[johnboy]

Certainly missed using a foruwm where someone may retype someone elses answer specifically to say
That weeks flown by.

Think thats a troll disorder or something, not sure though.. probably taunting.

Anyway stfu.. herassing me as soon as I make a new thread.

Pm me if you and your internet clan has an issue.. instead of marking me..


Appolagise and ill edit this pot..

[multi]

Weird how I cant find a site which contains the side pouches height or depth

[tartanferret]

This youtube video should give an approximate size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofT3v...=results_video

There's also a part 2 video for the review,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JC8en9Uzmg

Hope it helps

[lostplanet]

Take the plunge, it's a great pack, if it isn't big enough buy one of these instead.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dutch-Army...item1c29ef9e69

This is effectively a Lowe Alpine Sting, you can fit PLCE side pouches for more room.

[sandbender]

It is a very tough pack, the fact that it is wider rather than taller makes it useful for walking off the beaten path (you can clamber about under trees and things more readily).

It does not have an adjustable back so will not suit everyone, it would be a very uncomfortable pack for a long distance walk, there are much better packs out there for your planned trip.

[forestwalker]

I have used one all summer. It appears well built, and fits my back (175 cm tall) fairly well. I use the Arktis side pouches (from Endicots IIRC) since I detest being dependent on zippers.

It is a bit cramped (a woodlore osprey, a hennesey hammock and a few odds and ends fill the main compartment up. But I can fit most of the other kit I want into the side pouches, and a mat on the outside. Unless I had a more compact sleeping bag (not to hard to arrange...) a weeks worth of food would be tricky to fit, but probably doable.

[jacko1066]

I was hoping the waist belt was changable so I could incoporate a war belt for the survival and medical pouches and the nalgene pouch.

Is that possible on this pack?b

And does anyone know the height of the side pouches.

If you want a decent rucksack that will sit on top of a webbing belt have a look at the snugpak rocket pack.
Very well made, but its designed to wear over a webbing belt.
I bought one because of the reviews I read but its too short for mein the back.
Im about to stick on Ebay so if your interested in a brand new one cheap pm me.
Cheers
STeve

[Joel_m]

I would think to walk around the coast of the UK you will need something bigger than 45lt, although it extends to 75 a full 75 pack will give you more usable carry space.
If you consider that to walk the mainland uk coastal paths is about 6500 miles (there is 1400 in Scotland alone) that is a lot of kit, even if you are covering just half you will need good boots which will need replacing multiple times, one solution to this is to wear a set of boots and carry a set of lightweight walking shoes so when the boots wear out pop the shoes on and walk until you reach somewhere you can buy a new set this will help keep the weight and carried kit down somewhat.
So if I were you i'd seriously consider a larger pack and Karrimor do make a sabre 75 I believe.
My memory sparked of a chap who did this a few years ago, just googled him and he is called Peter Griffiths worth reading the article about him on the BBC website..

[Perrari]

Interesting article Joel.
Here is a link to it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/mid/sites...iffiths1.shtml

I would think to walk around the coast of the UK you will need something bigger than 45lt, although it extends to 75 a full 75 pack will give you more usable carry space.
If you consider that to walk the mainland uk coastal paths is about 6500 miles (there is 1400 in Scotland alone) that is a lot of kit, even if you are covering just half you will need good boots which will need replacing multiple times, one solution to this is to wear a set of boots and carry a set of lightweight walking shoes so when the boots wear out pop the shoes on and walk until you reach somewhere you can buy a new set this will help keep the weight and carried kit down somewhat.
So if I were you i'd seriously consider a larger pack and Karrimor do make a sabre 75 I believe.
My memory sparked of a chap who did this a few years ago, just googled him and he is called Peter Griffiths worth reading the article about him on the BBC website..

[southey]

Arnt the side pouches only 10 litre same as plce kit? If so its only 65 litres, very nice pack but IMO larger pack system is a much better option. I'd your actually going to walk any distance.

[jacko1066]

Arnt the side pouches only 10 litre same as plce kit? If so its only 65 litres, very nice pack but IMO larger pack system is a much better option. I'd your actually going to walk any distance.

Are you talking about the rocket pack Southey? If so I thought they were 12.5 litres tbh but really aint sure,
And tbh like you have all said it prob wont be enough for him.
Me personally, have no experience at all in what Multi is trying to do, and wish him all the best in it, I just thought it would be a pack he could use to incorporate his 'war' belt as it sits a bit higher.
Great pack though, Im just gutted it sits too high on me!!
Cheers
Steve

[andybysea]

There are definately much better packs out there for long distannce walking which is what the op is going to be using it for.

[sandbender]

"…personally, have no experience at all in what Multi is trying to do…"

I do.

I walked about 250 km in the Cévennes carrying a Sabre 45, varied terrain, lots of rough stony paths and a few climbs. I also carried it on a trek across the Fogaras Mountains in Transylvania, I'm not sure how long that trip was.

I chose the Sabre for the Cévennes trip because I planned to do some canoeing at the end of the trip and the sabre and its side pockets break down and fit into drybags or drums more readily than some of my other packs. I chose it for the Transylvania trip because I thought at the time I'd be spending a little more time in the forested lower slopes and not walking across the roof of that particular part of the world.

Although it can be nice to organise your gear into the three seperate compartments, the weight of the pack is an issue, when walking long distances day after day that weight will grind you down. Small injuries will not repair and perhaps more importantly you'll spend more time looking at the ground in front of you rather than enjoying the enviroment that surrounds you and all that there is to see.

The pack is comfortable enough for weekend trip, maybe a little more, for a long journey as the OP suggests he has planned, people should look elsewhere.

A warbelt?

Give your head a shake, you are not tabbing to Port Stanley, you are not setting out across Roger Zelazny's Damnation Alley, you are planning a long walk around the British Isles with the odd detour for Hadrian's wall and such. You need a good pack, designed for distance walking, you need a nice pair of boots, you need to step away from the computer screen and get out and about and meet some of the folks who live on that island with you, with very few exceptions they are nice people, they will be fascinated and entertained by the adventure you are embarking on, many will go out of their way to help you in any way they can. Which I hope you will come to appreciate if you ever manage to get north of the border.

[multi]

What is it that makes the pack uncomfortable?
I can get rubber over any buckles, or stitch a material to the belt system or shoulder straps, etc.
How come its always after a few days it gets a problem to you.
Sounds like a cheap school bag full of books, theyre always uncomfy on a daily basis.

[sandbender]

"...How come its always after a few days it gets a problem to you…"

No, it is uncomfortable from the get go, however I'll put up with that for the convenience of a cheap pack, one that doesn't catch on branches and that has side pockets that'll take a zebra billy can.

"…What is it that makes the pack uncomfortable?…"

It has a cheap poorly designed back system. But it doesn't have to have a better back system because the demographic for Sabre 45 users is unlikely to include folks who plan to use it to climb to the Everest base camp or walk the length of the Niger River.

I have (and have had) many rucksacks, I think there is a lot of quackery in some of the hi-tech designs that have come and gone, but there is a great deal of science, engineering and experience also.

You were never designed to carry that kind of weight on your back for any real distance, a properly designed (and properly fitting) rucksack back system allows you to do with some comfort and allows you to do so without injury.

[multi]

Im Only taking 10 or so kilo in the pack, the rest around the waist, although the war belt will have suspenders for shoulder and waist weight.could run around like a loon with that set up I should think,even if it all adds to 15+ kg.