Neanderthal diet

[sandsnakes]

Yep got it one !

[santaman2000]

I was also under the impression that it was established that Diet Colesterol and Blood Colesterol were unrelated. I.e. that a high colesterol diet does not lead to high colesterol in the blood.

It is related but it's not the be all and end all of the issue. Sandsnaked correctly pointed out the importance of high fiber in the diet. One of the things it does is collect the excess cholesterol like a sponge and remove it from the system. Genetics also seems to play a big part.

[santaman2000]

Rather ironically the low fat issue/high fat issue does not apply. People with lower than normal cholesterol levels are statistically more prone to strokes. There is no conclusive evidence that high cholesterol levels cause cardiovascular disease either...

That's opposite of any reliable statistics I've ever seen. Although I'll admit it does fit my Grandmother's profile. She could have lived on a diet of bacon fat, buttermilk biquits and molasses. But she did indeed also eat a lot of high fiber vegetables (seasoned with bacon fat like a true Southerner)

[rik_uk3]

I enjoyed this programme,
http://vplay.ro/watch/g7v8mg9w/
have a little look, its an hour of your life, won't change it but none the less its worth viewing.

[santaman2000]

LOL. Dammit Rik. Why do you post hour long programs when I don't have an hour? I'll try to come back later and see it.

[sandsnakes]

Santaman, unfortunatly the stats are screwed about fat cv risk and etc. High cholesterol is not a health problem rather the reverse if your over 50 and dont have an elevated level the stats clearly show a very much higher risk of other degenerative diseases. The surgeon generals reports started by McCarthy (known for his non biased views and tolerance of anyone who disagreed with him) were based upon a supposition of the argument put forward by ONE advocate with NO proven science. Fact is for the last 60 years are diet has been the least healthy its ever been. Read Gary Taubs its a very good compilation of all of the eveidence.

[santaman2000]

...Fact is for the last 60 years are diet has been the least healthy its ever been...

No arguments there.But then again, our diets are also the farthest from the officially reccomended diets ever.

[xylaria]

I read somewhere that during the 1950s we ate far more animals fats, but we were thinner and had less CV. But then coal fires didnt clean and load themselves, washing clothes broke a sweat, and no-one but the richest had cars or tv. Cakes contianed sugar, wheat flour and eggs, not asparteme, trans-fat emulisfiers and a binding agent from courtholds. People ate real food and had a more active life. Kids played on dirty bombsites not playstations, and thier immune systems had enough to do without causing allergies.

[santaman2000]

I read somewhere that during the 1950s we ate far more animals fats, but we were thinner and had less CV. But then coal fires didnt clean and load themselves, washing clothes broke a sweat, and no-one but the richest had cars or tv. Cakes contianed sugar, wheat flour and eggs, not asparteme, trans-fat emulisfiers and a binding agent from courtholds. People ate real food and had a more active life. Kids played on dirty bombsites not playstations, and thier immune systems had enough to do without causing allergies.

I'll agree with almost everything you say. "Almost." In the 1950s we may well have eaten more animal fats as a percentage of our total diets (in fact, like you, I'm positive we did) but!!! and this is a very big but!!! We ate less food of ALL kinds total back then. a Mcdonald's hamburger was 3 ounces, not the 8 ounces in a doudle meat quarter pounder today; and an order of fries today is almost trople the size they were back then. Add to that the size of sugary drinks by comparison:
1950s: a small drink was about 10 ounces
Now: a small drink cup is 16 ounces and has endless free refills (average customer goes back for one refill with the meal and another for the road = total of 48 ounces per visit)

[Laurentius]

I think it is true, in the fifties and sixties that we ate less food in general. I am fairly certain that we were more active too. I am sure that I never saw the number of grossly obese people that I see today.

Maybe it is genetics when I see fat kids and fat parents, but then maybe it is just bad habits passing from one generation to the other. I just cannot understand how some people eat themselves into the state that they do. They cannot be long for this world. At 5' 10" and pushing 13 stone I considered myself overweight. I eat only two meals a day at the moment and I have got back down to a more sensible 11 and a half stone.

[rik_uk3]

http://news.yahoo.com/humans-neander...155325773.html

It seems that we did not bump hips with Neanderthals' as thought.

[abominable_scouse_monster]

http://news.yahoo.com/humans-neander...155325773.html

It seems that we did not bump hips with Neanderthals' as thought.

I doubt that, I mean have you seen some of the people out there? OR the only way is Essex? Plenty of primal DNA sloshing about me thinks...