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    I believe that some of you may have seen this knife on Stuart Mitchell's table at Knives UK a few weeks back.
    I found myself in the lucky position to try out this new Survival Knife prototype during a recent trip.
    Number 476 is made from 5mm RWL34, has a full flat grind and retains its thickness throughout the tang. The blade itself is approximately 10 centimeters long.
    Needless to say, it is a beefy and very strong knife. Seen here next to an old style Paramillie for size comparison, the knife has a spearpoint configuration and two large lashing tubes in the handle.
    The balance point is right at the forward lashing hole.



    The handle itself has a high visibility layer of orange G10 sandwiched between the tang and a rough black canvas micarta scale. The big flared "pommel" lets you grip the knife with your thumb and forefinger, so that the entire knife can be used with extended leverage. The pommel also makes for a very comfortable thumb rest in reverse grip.
    The micarta has lots of texture and is grippy even when wet. The interior diameter of the lashing tubes is 7,5mm.



    This is helpful when lashing the knife to a pole. Standard sized paracord can be doubled up and slipped comfortably through the tubes to create loops.
    Slide your pole through the loops, tighten them and you have a very solid spear point. The choil and the flared pommel prevent your paracord from moving.
    The knife point is in line with the lashing holes, making it all quite stable and well balanced.




    This knife has a bolster that was constructed to take a beating. Stu used no less than 5 pins to secure it to the tang. He wanted me to see if it would stand up to some abuse, so I used the top part of the bolster to hammer a variety of metal and stone objects... Hammering (or pounding, whichever word you prefer) with the bolster feels much more natural than hammering with a pommel plate. You get the added benefit of a handle, which aids in aim and downward force. The bolster held up very well, even though it suffered from a bit of pitting and scratching.






    The bead blasted finish on the knife suffered a bit from use. In any future versions, I think I would prefer a satin finish.
    I found the point of the blade to be the strongest I have seen on a fixed blade knife of these dimensions. The spine retains its thickness for a good 7 centimeters and then tapers slightly to the tip.
    I still measured 2mm of steel right behind the spear point. Nonetheless, the point is sharp enough to make small and precise puncture holes in leather and fabrics.
    It was also strong enough to drill holes in hardwood without having the slightest worry about damaging the tip.




    The prototype was used daily in this heavenly topography. Some of these lakes are accessible only by (float)plane.
    Some of our gear and means of transportation needed to ride outside the airplane. I made sure to double check the knots!



    This knife is thick and strong. The full flat grind helped its slicing ability but shaving feathersticks will never be its forte.
    Nonetheless, these came out reasonably thin and without too much effort.



    Put your knife down somewhere on these rocks or near the trees and you will have a difficult time relocating your property in the low sunlight.
    The orange G10 really made a big difference and I never once misplaced it. I dropped it in a river once and although the water was a scant 4 inches deep where I lost it, the orange streak made it so much easier to spot between the rocks and the sand.





    We argued with our pilot about aerodynamics and float planes. In the end he agreed to transport the boat with the bow facing the slipstream.
    In his defence, judging by the speed with which we were ambling over the countryside, it would not have made the slightest difference anyway...



    Seafood a plenty. You catch it or you buy it from the local fishermen. The salmon comes in all varieties, and its all good!



    I had given some thought to the kydex sheath. A nicely rounded kydex sheath is useful as a digging implement. Another good use is to tape a sewing needle and maybe some fishing hooks or safety pins to the sheath before wrapping a length of paracord around it all. With my failing eyesight I also needed one of those loopy things that help old men thread the line through the needle's eye :|.
    A 6 foot length of paracord gives you 7 X 6 foot strands of thread that you can use to repair just about anything. Even if you use up the entire 7 strand core of your paracord, the outer sleeve is still plenty strong for most tasks. You can pick up one of these curved sewing needles at your local supermarket.



    Salt water mussels nearer St. Lawrence. The spine of the knife is very angular, making it perfect for scraping firesteels and bark tinder.



    This female moose couldn't be bothered by our presence. Magnificent sight to see them up close and personal.
    Even though it was trampling through a fishermans trapping area.

    I thoroughly enjoyed my time with this excellent knife and hope you enjoyed reading about it.
    Thanks to Stu Mitchell for letting me have a go.



    http://www.stuartmitchellknives.com

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    Great post and pics there I must admit I do like Stuarts work!

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    This is a great post, many thanks for taking the time to do this
    Horace Kephart 1906 " I know nothing else that so restores the buoyant optimism of youth as overhauling ones kit "

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    Have to say I am loving that knife as its a prototype do you know if going to be made for sale etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagewolfrm View Post
    Have to say I am loving that knife as its a prototype do you know if going to be made for sale etc
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    Hi Rick. Stu will be making an MkII model based on the input he's received from a number of testers. MkII will have a slightly extended edge (the edge will start right at the ricasso area), a lashing tube through the bolster, satin finish, a slightly rounder area around the bottom bolster and a convex edge, which will the thinned out just a tad to improve cutting ability and ease of sharpening.
    It will also come with a modified kydex sheath with some interesting twists.
    Since I just had the pleasure of putting it through its paces, it is probably best to ask any other questions to Stuart directly. There's a link all the way at the bottom of the first post. Thanks for the nice comments!

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    So gonna have to start saving lol many thanks
    Fear makes the Wolf look bigger

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    I'll be doing a follow up this weekend. A few tweaks have been made since Nightfly offered his input on improvements. Looking forward to it.
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    It does look rather sweet A suggestion, given how the orange makes it easier to locate, could the bolster (if I'm thinking of the right part [bottom of balde, jsut before handle, covered in scruffs and marks]) be made orange to give all over visiblity rather than just between the handle sides?

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    The whole handle could be orange micarta. The bolster needs to be steel though. No doubt Stu would offer customisation without a bolster and with full slabs if requested. Come to that, if you commissioned a knife off him and so requested, he'd even etch Peppa Pig on the blade if you really wanted it.
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    As a maker of using knives reviews like that are a dream come true, thank you for it Nightfly, your trip looks spectacular...

    The knife will, as you know, be seeing further use and it will get further review, there's a fella lined up after JonD who will be using it for differing tasks, all good info as far as I am concerned...

    Thanks Nightfly and enjoy yourself Jon...

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    ....or a squiggel


    PFK by British Red, on Flickr
    Quote Originally Posted by Shambling Shaman on his Christmas wish list
    Yep, world peace, end to hunger,

    and possibly a new scope for my rifle.

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    A snake would obviously be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shambling Shaman on his Christmas wish list
    Yep, world peace, end to hunger,

    and possibly a new scope for my rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanD View Post
    he'd even etch Peppa Pig on the blade if you really wanted it.
    *whispers* Can he do that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lister View Post
    *whispers* Can he do that?

    I hope so, It's on my next order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lister View Post
    *whispers* Can he do that?

    Yes I can...

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    nice any idea on a price yet

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    Nice review and nice knife. Looks like a cracking trip as well. I never considered a steel bolster as a hammering utensil!
    Nature will provide our needs, not our greeds.

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    Thanks for the comments. Using the bolster of your knife is never ideal, but in a pinch, it is nice to know that you can.
    Norca, best to get info directly from Stuart about the expected price.

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    just done that thanks

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    and now i know thanks Stuart its a great tool but its like me pension for 6 weeksso ill just look and dream
    and wish you all the best

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    Apologies for the delay in getting this up. I've been a bit busy.

    First impressions of the knife when I unwrapped it was a certain cool factor to the design. In a world where almost every knife design has been made or seen, it was refreshing to see something a little different and what I'd consider modern and quirky.

    The knife came in a generic kydex sheath. Not the design it will eventually be seen in as this was a quick job just to house the knife on its initial test period.



    I'm putting the knife side by side with my Stuart Mitchell DB in these pictures for a good reason I'll get down to near the end because I've been using my DB alot in Africa recently, moreso than usual and it had a direct effect on my use of the SM Survival. Pictures of the knife in use have been catalogued very well in this thread anyway, and I'd just be repeating other posts as it performs all tasks very well, from food prep to feathersticks, tool making and tree batonning.

    Obviously, as you'd expect from Mr Mitchell, the quality of construction and attention to detail are at the top of the handmade knife game. We all know and expect that from Stu, so I don't need to go into more detail there.





    When Stu sent me the knife, he re-finished it with a highly polished convex edge...



    The blade shape and thickness are perfect for a robust multi use, multi tasking knife. The only thing I would personally change (and this has aleady been addressed and will be on the MK II), is the gap between the choil and the knife edge. It needs to come forward right to the edge of the choil. Whether it needs a slight protruberence to protect the bulging flesh of a gripping finger from creeping over onto the blade during a stabbing motion is something I've pondered over. It is a survival knife, so such an action in an emergency if stranded in an area where wild game is abundant, it is certainly possible you may need to use it in that fashion. During my time in Africa, I've seen that this may be a very real danger, even in safer places with other people. So food for thought there.

    The overall length of the knife is compact and about the same as any of the well known smaller utility knives we all know about. In my opinon a survival knife needs to be small, otherwise it is more often than not left in a pack or basecamp. Not great when you are cut off from those places and in real need of a survival blade. It is however quite heavy because of the bolsters and blade thickness. It is a strong knife, so whether strength would be sacificed too much with lightening the whole thing is maybe something Stu can answer. I certainly wouldn't want to weaken a knife your life may depend on.





    The handle profile as you can see is quite thick. My DB is very thick to aid in prolonged use and comfort. Something that can be sacrificed slightly in a survival knife. The butt has a significant amount of surface area which is great if you need to pound something. I would like to see a couple of MM of steel protruding beyond the scales as this would protect them somewhat and prevent too much force from impacting or splitting them. Perhaps a more pronounced convex shape would also achieve this. Again, this is something I would want to test as I'm speculating. Unfortunately I wasn't able to with this knife, but Stu will be supplying me with another blade I can really batter in a full on extreme field test.

    On handling and using the knife over a period of about an hour - just sitting down and whittling a stick to get used to it, I found that the lanyard hole that sits below the palm pad of my first finger started to cause a burning blister. This obviously is down to the positioning, but was caused by the whole knife constantly pivoting in my palm. The way the handle is shaped where my index and second finger rest wouldn't allow me to grip it in a way to stop in moving. The rear of the handle I could grip firmly, but the front moved up and down however hard I gripped it. Something at the front just prevented me from securing it in my hand sufficiently. On laying it over my own knife, it's not difficult to see why. I need a touch more bulk for my index finger.





    The majority of the handle just goes in and out in exactly the opposite places to my knife. So although I could easily have the handle being much flatter, the tang for me needs to be higher and beefier at the front choil area.

    This is the reason I have pictured the knives together. I try to be honest and impartial in my reviews, and it's a no brainer that the first inch of handle just doesn't work at all for me. But we are all different and the DB has evolved from what used to be purely a weekend bushcrafter knife, into a tool I take with me for much more than wood working and countryside bimbling. I used to work for Rolex and spend all my time in the cities of the UK with a Mont Blanc pen as my main tool. Now I'm a field herpetologist and I'm always outdoors with a knife and a snake hook, and over the last four months, I've been using my DB more than most Brits have been using a brolly. My own personal DB handle is also too much for most people and doesn't work for them as I have a wide palm and long fingers, which is why Stu makes a slimline version for his normal customers. So his new survival knife handle is going to work for the majority of people. And not just as a survival knife either, but an everyday outdoorsmans knife. It is robust to the point that I know I can beat on it with rocks, railway sleepers and god knows what else.

    So in short, im looking forward to the MKII with the closer edge to the choil, and to see what other changes Stu makes from the input of others testing it. If indeed, any are needed. It's a beautifully crafted and well designed knife even in its prototype form.

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    great review to me this is a great tool far out of my reach but i cant wait for the mark 2 of this fantastic and rad knife
    thank you

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    Saw this reveiw on british blades, and its a great knife love the lines and how it flows, a survival knife and not a seration or sawback in sight thank the lord!

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    thanks for the review very nice knife indeed.

    how would you compare it with the ka-bar bk2 ? http://www.kabar.com/knives/detail/1 if they can be comparable at all...

    I was impressed by the thickness of this knife as well as the bk2. Any comment of the effect of the thickness of this blade (and in general in every knife)?

    thanks again

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    I like the look of the over all design but I'm not sure about the extra knotches after the finger choil

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    Hi all, as the thread title suggest the knife in here was a prototype, through various field test by various users a set of useful modifications were identified, so a MkII, addressing these has been made...

    The changes....


    1: The edge was to be brought back, slightly intersecting the finger notch, bringing that valuable business end, right by the grip, right where you need it...
    2: The bolster was to get a through hole, 1/4" is as much as I can safely get in there, bearing in mind there are 4 x 1/8" pins in there too, 1/4" is ample there though...
    3: A satin finish, not the blasted one, for the blade...
    4: The most important for me and one I was keen to see work, I wanted to introduce a more Busse like tube/fixing, the Proto relied on epoxy, I was looking for belt and braces here... I didn't want a full flared Busse style, more a cross between where we were and the Busse, the tubes in 'Secare' are 10mm stainless, 0.8mm walled, slightly flared into those recesses in the Micarta, the recess cause no discomfort, if anything they add grip...


    This particular mod was the cause of some thought by me, you see it's not exactly straight forward to do in a handle with so much shaping, all done by hand, the grip really needs shaping and finishing pre adding the tubes, to enable this I was reliant on epoxy only, no mechanical fastenings in the scales at all, for much of the build...


    Here's it pre tubes...





    I was quite impressed by that, just the epoxy, it even survived a drop...


    From there though, countersink the Micarta, squeeze the tubes into place with a wipe of more epoxy then flare the ends, that 0.8mm walled tube takes some flaring, it is not minded to go back without a fight, the whole thing is very, very strong...


    So, here's it, 'Secare'...











    And here's why I was keen for the bolster hole to be 1/4", two thickness's of Paracord...



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    That is a stunning looking knife. When will it be available Stuart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BareThrills View Post
    That is a stunning looking knife. When will it be available Stuart?
    Right now, the one you see there is a commission so sold...

    Email is your best bet...

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    Really nice knife Stuart, I'm liking that a lot. It's great to see the development process, do you plan on another round of testing and design changes if needed? Does the full flat grind on the latest blade have a secondary bevel?

    Atb

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