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    Default Jokkmokk - Sub Zero Trip - February 2013

    This has been talked about a little on the Sub Zero Crew thread but I think it's time to start checking out the interest.

    We're organising a meet up in the Swedish town of Jokkmokk just North of the Arctic Circle. it will coincide with the famous Winter market where the Saami congregate to sell their reindeer, arrange marriages and sell their crafts and wares to the public.

    There are usually lots of other activities and events around the town on the run up and during the market too.

    Outside the town the conditions are typically Arctic with all the usual pursuits available that normally implies.

    Damian is currently looking into some travel, shipping and camping options.

    Date wise the Saami Market formally runs from 7th to the 9th of Feburary 2013 but events start to happen a few days before that in the town.

    I'm aiming to be out there from the weekend of January 26th to 10th February, travelling inclusive.

    If we can get the basic infrastructure of the trip in place there is probably no reason why dates can't be somewhat flexible around that.

    Some Arctic experience is going to be necessary as the temperatures can easily be as low as -40°c with wind and heavy snow. Everyone will be expected to take responsibility for their own safety and well being. This in not a course or a package holiday.

    We've got no definite idea of costs or details yet but the question at this stage is who is interested...

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    Just to add to Waylands original post, Please note. THis is not a course, and no training will be provided, this is intending to be a meet style adventure, and any member who attends does so under the understanding that no liability while you are there rests on any other member attending, you would be responsible for yourself whilst there, in the same way as any other meet that you would normally attend in the UK.
    Im currently looking into group purchases on things like travel, in a attempt to lower the cost, but this being said no one is obliged to enter into this and its perfectly OK to make your own travel arrangement, it purely as a possible idea.

    Please post any comment or ideas.

    We would love to hear from any of our Swedish Members, a great opportunity to meet some of you Guys and Girls

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    should be over in Norway by that time shall definitly keep it in mind and maybe see you guys there, looks braw
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    It would be great if you could make it Hamish the more the merrier

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    I may join. All depends on work, really.

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    It would be great to meet you FW.
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    I'd love to pop in, too!
    But it all depends on further developments here.... but definitely interested!

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    That would be great Ron and FW, if you can make it

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    Ok the proposed route would be to fly into stockholm, then catch the overnight 'sleeper' train the next day to Murjek (nearest national station), then catch the local bus to Jokkmokk.

    This would give us a whole days stay in Stockholm, to visit the museums and such, and a good start for getting to the station. The overnight train can be booked per cabin, with six berth being the largest; looking at the prices a six berth split between 6 would be the most cost effective way, however the magic number for good discounts with both the rail operator and the airlines seems to be 10, so if we can get 10 people interested in coming and willing to go in with a bulk purchase, it would probably be the cheapest option. Im still looking into prices, which because its not until next January seem a little vague, but the best deals seems to be out of Manchester Airport, as this seems to have the most commercial routes flying to Stockholm. If anyone knows any different please PM me, as all and any additional help is always welcome.

    Personally as for accommodation I was thinking at staying at the Campsite, based just on the outskirts.

    I've emailed the site and are currently awaiting an answer as to prices pitches, services, and such, there is a goodly stocked supermarket about 5 minutes down the road as well for supplies.

    Another alternative would be to book a place a gain on a block booking, I think Bob (imagedude) mentioned a farmhouse which equates to about £450 per week for a six bunk place, again Ill look more into this, and post any additional information as I find it.I would probably be out there a couple of days prior to everyone else, just to make sure things are in place, and of course to get the kettle on
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    Some campgrounds have cabins, generally 4-6 beds, simple kitchen, sometimes shower and toilet, sometimes not. If you want the comfort option that is the way to go. Personally I would figure on sleeping in the woods rather than a campground. If I can go, and depending on where I'm working (I'm currently stuck in an apprently endless run of "one year subsititute" positions) I'll either jump on the same train as you lot, or drive. I have some suitable canvas, and one of my summer plans is to make a canvas tent to be heated with a woodstove. The current plan is to make something like this one.

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    Thanks for the info udamiano, but you forgot to mention how many days it would be.
    Nice tent, forrestwalker! I myself was thinking along the lines of a 12- or 20mans Swedish armytent.
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    That looks great Damian, thanks for your work on this.

    I presume the main thing we need to group book will be the flights and train cabin for us Brits.

    No reason why the local lads couldn't join us by whatever means and for however long on site.
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    Thanks FW, and Ron around the 24th of January to 10/11th of February inclusive so just about 16 days in total for me, I think Gary is looking at 14 days (two weeks).
    Yes the main discounts would be targeted at the flights and the Train, and possibly accommodation, as these will be the larger cost outlays.
    However if we are going anywhere as a group, its always worth asking for a group discount, alas this doesn't seem to work in Bars, pubs, or restaurants.

    Im looking at getting one of my 5metre heated bell tents shipped over along with some other kit prior, then shipped back afterwards, I'll be putting in for bids on shipping costs later in the year, Im hoping the campsite will agree to take delivery of the kit for us, If not Ill find someone

    another picture of the area just outside town and opposite of the campsite, to get the imagination fired



    This one is looking away from the town. Imagine what it will look like in the winter

    ill keep plodding away ,getting prices, schedules and such, and post any info as it arrives

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    Updated from previous thread
    please add your name if you are interested in coming along, please read post 1 and 2

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    A bit of information about the Museums in Stockholm here.

    The Ethnographic Museum looks particularly interesting although I'll also be checking out the Historical Museum of course.
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    The Nordiska Museum looks good too and is in the same area.

    The also have a great online collection too.
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    Looking at the Museum list, the ideal Airport would 'Bromma',as this drops us right in the middle of Stockholm. All the museums are within a mile of each other, and are fairly easy to get to. Im just plotting the locations on a map now.

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    If you want to visit these places, better visit the turistbureau first and get a touristcard. Gives you lots of discount on the entryprices AND busfares. You'll need the latter if you don't want to get flat feet from walking... The underground is a very good way to travel.
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    Thanks for the info Ron, i'll add that to the list, Im just looking at the underground now and listing stations and links

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    Just noticed we've knocked Ron off the list by mistake.

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    If anyone is on this list that we've transferred from the other thread isn't interested can you knock yourself off it please.
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    You can add me to the interested list.

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    Yes sir will do

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    Would like to come but i see its in term time - just misses half term holiday by a whisker!!

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    I know... That's a problem for me too but I don't think they'll move the market for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayland View Post
    The Nordiska Museum looks good too and is in the same area.

    The also have a great online collection too.
    These museums are great, and as I've been to Stockholm quite often, I can also recommend a couple of others you could visit on your way through....

    Skansen open air, living history museum is very interesting and some quite Bushcrafty content...

    http://www.skansen.se/en/grid/countryside

    and the Vasa ship is amazing...

    http://www.vasamuseet.se/en/

    These are all in the same area.

    A few other tips. (Most of which you probably already know!)....
    Cheapest flights to Stockholm will usually be Ryan Air from Stansted. But typical for them, they don't actually fly to Stockholm, but rather to a town 1.5hrs from the city, so you need to get a bus in to the central train station. Quite easy, but takes up quite a lot of time.
    There's another airline called Norwegian who also do quite good fairs, and they fly to the main airport (Arlanda)
    Last time I checked there were large secure lockers available at the central station, could be an option whilst you look around the city.
    Naturkompaniet ("The Nature Company") Is a chain of outdoors shops with several branches in the centre of town. Very well stocked with lots of Fjällräven etc, but quite pricey!

    http://www.naturkompaniet.se/Startpage/Start.aspx

    Good luck with the plans, sounds like a great trip.
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    Thanks for you suggestions David I did look at ryan air, but also looking at the cost of getting to Stansted, and then getting into Stockholm central on the other side, and the same back again, quickly negated any savings that were gained. Arlanda is North of the City and will also require a bus into the centre, although I was thinking of getting a Stockholm card, as RonW suggests, as this covers public transport within the Stockholm area and the museum entrance fees, and as it's only 2 two days Im thinking of being in Stockholm and most of the others were looking at either a day before or same day before moving onto the northern part of the journey, time and other possible delays, were also factored in.
    I've been to Stockholm twice before and both times I wanted to go and have a look at the Vasa ship, but weren't able to due to business meetings, in fact didn't really see much of the city at all, other than an office, a cab, the hotel and the Airport; So it definitely on my list of things to see .
    Everything is expensive in Stockholm, The one thing I've learned traveling around this world, is that all capital cities are basically the same, Nosy, packed, and extremely expensive, the only thing that really changes is the main accents of the people walking around, the rest Im afraid is expertly designed to part you with as much of your hard earn't wages in the most painless, and easiest way as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by udamiano View Post
    Thanks for you suggestions David I did look at ryan air, but also looking at the cost of getting to Stansted, and then getting into Stockholm central on the other side, and the same back again, quickly negated any savings that were gained. Arlanda is North of the City and will also require a bus into the centre, although I was thinking of getting a Stockholm card, as RonW suggests, as this covers public transport within the Stockholm area and the museum entrance fees, and as it's only 2 two days Im thinking of being in Stockholm and most of the others were looking at either a day before or same day before moving onto the northern part of the journey, time and other possible delays, were also factored in.
    I've been to Stockholm twice before and both times I wanted to go and have a look at the Vasa ship, but weren't able to due to business meetings, in fact didn't really see much of the city at all, other than an office, a cab, the hotel and the Airport; So it definitely on my list of things to see .
    Everything is expensive in Stockholm, The one thing I've learned traveling around this world, is that all capital cities are basically the same, Nosy, packed, and extremely expensive, the only thing that really changes is the main accents of the people walking around, the rest Im afraid is expertly designed to part you with as much of your hard earn't wages in the most painless, and easiest way as possible.

    Da
    Sure, Stansted doesn't make sense if it's the wrong end of the country. Norwegian mainly fly from Gatwick, so that prob won't work for you either.
    Vasa is amazing, even if you've seen pictures before you go, your jaw still hits the floor the first time you walk in there.
    If you are thinking of over nighting in Sthm there's a youth hostel on a ship, which is near the museums. Never stayed there, but looks great...

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    That looks cool. Nice link.

    I want to see the Vasa as well but it's going to be a job to fit all the stuff I want to look at into one day I think.

    Such is life.
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    Yep, that certainly look like a fun place to stay. I'm just trying to convince upper management that what she would like would be a nice city break, in the summer and might give the boat a go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayland View Post
    That looks cool. Nice link.

    I want to see the Vasa as well but it's going to be a job to fit all the stuff I want to look at into one day I think.

    Such is life.
    Your welcome, no worries, hope it all comes together. Yep, too much for one day, but maybe on the return leg?

    Quote Originally Posted by udamiano View Post
    Yep, that certainly look like a fun place to stay. I'm just trying to convince upper management that what she would like would be a nice city break, in the summer and might give the boat a go
    Sounds good, hope she's up for it.
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