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    It’s no secret that I’ve been looking for some decent wool trousers for ages. For some reason they are difficult to source in the UK and the idea of importing them from the States seemed a daunting prospect.

    Then, in the last six months, a mixture of events resulted in not just one but five pairs landing on my desk at almost the same time. My cup suddenly runneth over.

    In sequence, I bought a pair made by Johnson Woollen Mills from a member here. Shortly after two pairs made by Cabelas became available from another member that had bought them at the same time as I had tried to order some (Unsuccessfully but that’s a long story.)

    Almost immediately after that, Stormy Kromer contacted me following a review I had posted of their Mackinaw Coat and asked me if I would like to review one of their caps. I said sure, but I’d be even more interested in their bunkhouse trousers.



    (I should say here that although they were sent over free for review, they also marked the parcel with the value of the contents which resulted in a hefty customs charge to me when they arrived, so I still ended up paying for them in the end. Otherwise, I have no connection with any of the companies featured here.)

    Before they had time to arrive in the post I then heard that Kev. at Endicotts had just had some surplus Danish wool trousers in at a very good price. It would have been just rude not to get some of them as well...

    Well, this has certainly filled a gap in my woollen wardrobe and the obvious thing was to do a review of them all.

    So I set out to make as fair a comparison as I could over the Winter.

    First lets look at the materials: I measured the thickness with a micrometer and a couple of steel rulers as flats to get a good average.

    The Cabelas are 100% wool, with a slightly raised nap and 1.26mm thick. The care label says they can be machine washed on cold.

    The Johnsons are not labelled with the fibre content but their web site says they are 80% wool 20% nylon, drill woven and the thinnest of the bunch at 1.04mm.

    The Stormy Kromers are again 80% wool and 20% nylon but with a good nap, 1.71mm thick. Both the Johnsons and the Stormy Kromers recommend dry cleaning on the care labels.

    The Danish trousers are of unknown fibre content and care but are well napped and measure 1.55mm thickness.

    All the materials handle well and have a good drape. The Stormy Kromers are the softest to the touch, the Danish pair the prickliest and the Johnsons, with the drilled weave, the hardest.

    Just as a comparison I measured the thickness of my Swanndri bushshirt as 2.06mm, my Stormy Kromer coat as 1.88mm and my Bison shirt as 1.41mm.

    Now for cut: All were much the same here when on the table and being fairly generous fit, the Stormy Kromers were slightly narrower in the leg, the Danish widest. The Johnsons, possibly because the material is less bulky, felt loosest when wearing but all were very comfortable.

    Pockets: A bit more variation here. The Cabelas arrived to me with just four pockets. Two slash and two rear with buttoned flaps. As supplied they had cargo pockets as well but the previous owner removed them so I cannot comment. The inner material felt like cotton and a bit thin to me. As I tend to have busy pockets they are something I often wear through.

    The Danish trousers had only three pockets, two slash and one buttoned rear right. Much thicker material again feeling like cotton or poly cotton.

    The Johnson pockets, two slashed, two rear (left buttoned) felt the most robust with a drilled weave again cotton or poly cotton I think.

    Stormy Kromer departed from the norm by applying patch pockets of the same material as the trousers. Two front, two rear (left buttoned) and another short narrow pocket on the right thigh, possibly for a knife (although I would have liked some method to secure it if that is the case.)

    The only pockets I had doubts about were the Cabelas which felt no more rugged than a pair of office trousers.

    All had sturdy belt loops, the Danish ones being best of all but of all the pairs, they were the only ones to lack internal button points for braces. This could easily be rectified of course.

    I was hoping for some really cold conditions to give them all a try in but Winter here turned out to be a bit of a damp squib.
    In the mixture of conditions I used them in I would say that the Stormy Kromers were the warmest on their own followed by the Danish then the Cabelas and lastly the Johnsons which seems perfectly consistent with the material thickness’.

    With the use of a thin base layer this remained much the same order but when used with a thicker base layer like the Woolpower 400g, which I use in very cold conditions, then the slightly more generous cut of the Danish trousers prevented the loopstitch from getting crushed and hindering its performance. In the end this was a deciding factor in my kit choice for the Arctic trip but for UK use it would rarely be an issue.



    In conclusion, which will I wear? As stated, I took the Danish trousers on my Arctic trip and I will probably keep these for use with the Woolpower base layer in really tough conditions.

    The Johnsons are not really what I would consider as Winter trousers and were the odd pair in the bunch. Having said that they are hard wearing, spark resistant and comfortable on the skin without a base layer. They will be very good for Spring/Autumn conditions and may as such see the most use.

    The Cabelas seem reasonably well made but the pocket linings were a slight disappointment to say nothing of the difficulties I had with the company when I ordered some.

    For UK winter conditions, either on their own or with a thin base layer, the Stormy Kromers are very well suited. I particularly liked the fact that if by chance they do get wet, the patch pocket arrangement means there is no cotton lining, apart from the belt band, to retain that moisture.

    So I think they’ll all earn their place on my kit lists but probably on different lists at different times.
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    Great review that Wayland - I have experienced the same difficulty with wool trousers - I may be kiving Kev a ring!
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    Very nice review mate. I had a similar problem last winter when i was looking for a pair.
    Which ones arw you wearing in the first picture they look very smart and a lovely colour. Cheers

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    Sorry I should have labelled them. The top ones are the Stormy Kromers and the bottom ones are the Danish ones.

    I have to admit I do like the colour.
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    Nice review Gary , i had been just about to send you this a couple of days back when i ordered a pair of these for myself,I know you like wool kit too and at this price who does not.
    http://www.askari-hunting.co.uk/__We...ers/detail.jsf
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    Any idea what their sizing is like Gill?
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    I phoned them up Gary so as to make sure i got my size 36 is large seemingly the leg is unfinished.
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    Great review, thanks for posting. When it is really cold I usually use a pair of Bison Bushcraft Moleskins but I have been looking for a nice pair of woollen trousers for a while. Now I know where I should start looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Nice review Gary , i had been just about to send you this a couple of days back when i ordered a pair of these for myself,I know you like wool kit too and at this price who does not.
    http://www.askari-hunting.co.uk/__We...ers/detail.jsf
    those look braw! thats for helping me empty my walet....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreadhead View Post
    those look braw! thats for helping me empty my walet....
    I thought it would help a few of us get rid of some sheckles Hamish lol But whatever you do do not look anywhere else on that site especially in the sale be warned !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Nice review Gary , i had been just about to send you this a couple of days back when i ordered a pair of these for myself,I know you like wool kit too and at this price who does not.
    http://www.askari-hunting.co.uk/__We...ers/detail.jsf
    I sent a email this morning about them to find out what size i need with a 32 waist. Just what iv bin after

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsla View Post
    I sent a email this morning about them to find out what size i need with a 32 waist. Just what iv bin after
    let me know as were the same! it is by no means a race....

    sorry for hijacking. tis a good review wayland, love the look of those dutch army wool trousers!
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    Has anybody used Askari ,wondering how long the postage takes???
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    I've been waiting for this. Great review Gary, thanks for taking the trouble. I have a pair of swedish army wool trousers, a pair of harris tweed traditional cut trousers and some british army bdu's dated 1949. Like you, i found our winter too wram to give them much of an airing. I've been tempted by the danish ones for a while and now even more so.
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    Gill, that website should carry a government health warning!
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    Loved, and lived in, my 1941-dated Swedish Army wool ski trousers throughout our recent Arctic course - I highly recommend them if you can find a pair. I got mine from the USA via e-bay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treadlightly View Post
    Gill, that website should carry a government health warning!
    It defo should Treadlightly, but you know one of the things that strikes me is the prices of the kit is realistic and i have found this to be the case on shooting /fishing websites but when you add the name Bushcraft or Ray Mears to the equation you could easily stick another Ł50 or so on top ,Ray Mears has a lot to answer for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    It defo should Treadlightly, but you know one of the things that strikes me is the prices of the kit is realistic and i have found this to be the case on shooting /fishing websites but when you add the name Bushcraft or Ray Mears to the equation you could easily stick another Ł50 or so on top ,Ray Mears has a lot to answer for.
    How true...
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    Thanks for the Review on these Gary, [and John Fenna] http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/con...house-Trousers

    Im after some wool trousers and noticed that the Stormy Kromers are on offer at the moment at $85.

    http://www.stormykromer.com/disconti...unkhouse-pants

    However the Nimrod trousers, Gill found at Ł31 seem like a cracking deal.
    http://www.askari-hunting.co.uk/__We...ers/detail.jsf

    Im wondering does anyone own both pairs, and is there is a great deal of difference between them?

    [For UK/Scotland winter conditions mainly. Is one more suitable for layering with woolpower long johns than the other? Is one significantly warmer than the other?]

    How does the Nimrod compare against the Kromers?

    Would also be interesting to know which windproof shell trouser people pair with these woollen trousers for arctic conditions?
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    Is one more suitable for layering with woolpower long johns than the other?
    Dave, if you don't mind camo you could try some of the British Army variants:

    There is a standard issue which has the description: Trousers, Windproof DPM and comes in desert and green DPM. Like this:

    http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/shop/army-surplus-uk/army-surplus-clothing/new-genuine-british-army-issue-317774.html


    Alternatively (and better IMO) are Trousers, Windproof Arctic which used to be issued to the Royal Marines and SF. Like this:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Combat-Tro...-/330788992519

    The Arctic trousers are the same material as the Arctic smocks which is cotton gaberdine where as the standard windproof trousers are cotton ripstop. Both trousers work well over Woolpower long johns and have Velco on the lower leg, for easy removal. The Americans do a very similar windproof trouser too that is heavyweight cotton they seem pretty rare though.
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    Just out of interest - has anyone tried WW2 type repro gear from places such as SOF?
    They claim to be wool, are classically/military style trousers and seem a reasonable price compared to some....
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Fenna View Post
    Just out of interest - has anyone tried WW2 type repro gear from places such as SOF?
    They claim to be wool, are classically/military style trousers and seem a reasonable price compared to some....
    I have a pair of the German field trousers john, that I think came from there ( via ebay 0
    VERY good quality, almost as good as my 1940's Swedish army wool trousers. Good thick wool, nice detail and finished to a high standard.
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    ....That should, of couse, read John ( capital J! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limaed View Post
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Combat-Tro...-/330788992519

    The Arctic trousers are the same material as the Arctic smocks which is cotton gaberdine where as the standard windproof trousers are cotton ripstop. Both trousers work well over Woolpower long johns and have Velco on the lower leg, for easy removal.
    Thats the kind of info I was after. Im trying to do it on the cheap, as a pose to buying the Norrona pants, and those cotton gabardine trousers at that price look just the ticket. Thanks Limaed.
    [Are they deffo the Gabardine ones though? The ad says: manufactured from a hard wearing close weave cotton / poly fabric]
    Just have to decide which woollen trousers to buy now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Thats the kind of info I was after. Im trying to do it on the cheap, as a pose to buying the Norrona pants, and those cotton gabardine trousers at that price look just the ticket. Thanks Limaed.
    [Are they deffo the Gabardine ones though? The ad says: manufactured from a hard wearing close weave cotton / poly fabric]
    Just have to decide which woollen trousers to buy now.
    Pretty sure they are. I have a pair the same and they feel the same as the old smocks. I find them really comfy and wear them next to skin also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris the Cat View Post
    I have a pair of the German field trousers john, that I think came from there ( via ebay 0
    VERY good quality, almost as good as my 1940's Swedish army wool trousers. Good thick wool, nice detail and finished to a high standard.
    Best.
    Chris.
    Very interesting!
    I may be forced to try some out!
    I have one of the german peaked field caps with the fold down sides and back and found that excellent last winter - well made, warm and comfortable - if the trousers are as good in quality terms then they should be affordable!
    Thanks for the info
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    ...............I know you like wool kit too and at this price who does not.
    http://www.askari-hunting.co.uk/__We...ers/detail.jsf
    Ordered some of these. Very good for the money. Nice weight. Thanks for the tip Gill.
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