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    Default The Titanic sinking conspiracy theory

    Very interesting viewing...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II-JVcaW0O0

    I've always questioned the official story of an experienced captain accidentally hitting an iceberg... as far as I know this is unheard of.

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    Yes, about as unlikely as a cruiseship captain grounding a vessel in well-known territorial waters

    If accidents can happen, they will.

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    It seems the Titanic and Olympic were switched last minute, so they could claim on the insurance. I'm on part 2 myself right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lub0 View Post
    It seems the Titanic and Olympic were switched last minute, so they could claim on the insurance. I'm on part 2 myself right now!
    And yet, Titanics build number was 419. Exactly the number that was found on her props when they dived her.

    Now, changing a few portholes post build, fair enough, but three mahoosive props? No.

    No conspiracy. Just a skipper under pressure and a chunk of floating bad luck. It happens.

    Conspiracies sell books though, and appeal to a certain section of society, so hey. Money to be made.

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    That was VERY interesting viewing. I'd watched Loose Change and was digusted by that figuring conspiracies as grand as that was a relatively new thing, then I learnt a bit about the Moon landings and before that Pearl harbour now this?! Sorta shakes the foundations of trust in any public officials way to put it lightly. I mean how much money can these people call enough?

    Thanks for sharing that Lub0, sobering indeed. Now why wasn't this plastered all over the TV last weekend? Instead we had to listen to that patronising snot Jeremy Vine and every other news programme chunter on about it.

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    Biker, are you honestly saying you think the Moon landings were faked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biker View Post
    That was VERY interesting viewing. I'd watched Loose Change and was digusted by that figuring conspiracies as grand as that was a relatively new thing, then I learnt a bit about the Moon landings and before that Pearl harbour now this?! Sorta shakes the foundations of trust in any public officials way to put it lightly. I mean how much money can these people call enough?

    Thanks for sharing that Lub0, sobering indeed. Now why wasn't this plastered all over the TV last weekend? Instead we had to listen to that patronising snot Jeremy Vine and every other news programme chunter on about it.
    hmmm http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html

    This one has been going around for some time ??? Might explain the downturn in the economy if its true ?? We will never know !!

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    Wow, reading this, it seems that they just managed it in time...

    The first aluminium foil

    Tin was first replaced by aluminium in 1910, when the first aluminium foil rolling plant, "Dr. Lauber, Neher & Cie."[5] was opened in Emmishofen, Switzerland. The plant, owned by J.G. Neher & Sons, the aluminium manufacturers, started in 1886 in Schaffhausen, Switzerland , at the foot of the Rhine Falls - capturing the falls' energy to produce aluminium. Neher's sons together with Dr. Lauber discovered the endless rolling process and the use of aluminium foil as a protective barrier in December 1907.
    The first use of foil in the United States was in 1913 for wrapping Life Savers, candy bars, and gum.[6] Processes evolved over time to include the use of print, colour, lacquer, laminate and the embossing of the aluminium.

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    haha just finished part five and it showed underwater footage of the wreck with the letter "M P" engraved text to the riveted TITANIC name. Seems the Titanic really was the Olympic afterall!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBlade View Post
    Biker, are you honestly saying you think the Moon landings were faked?
    Last year my brother was banging on about it and I laughed in his face. Now my brother is a gentle soul and had a sort of sheltered upbringing but "C'mon how or why would they fake something that big?!!" Then I watched a lot of informative footage on youtube and read some articles online. (Be warned there's a LOT of crap out there too)

    What made me question the official word was this bit of footage, then I dug a bit deeper. including the Van Allen belt, radiation shielding on the rockets and Lunar module and Command vehicle, Saturn 5 engines compared to the Space Shuttles etc. Make up your own mind

    Pretty breezy for the vacuum of space and where are the stars?




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    Sounds like a steaming pile of bullc**p to me. There is no way you can bribe, threaten or fool the 10s of thousands of men who worked on the Titanic and Olympic. I did work experience at H&W in the drawing offices and I know the amount of work that goes into the structure of a ship, the engineers who designed the titanic and the Olympic would certainly be able to differentiate between the two, no matter how small the differences are, so why wouldn't they have said anything? Ridiculous. Also, I love the way they have plenty of historians and academics who can back up the 'facts' portrayed on this program, seems legit...
    I think some people need to calm down about with conspiracy theories and trust 'the system' a bit more, it ain't all that bad

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    I trust in MYTHBUSTERS!

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    Mythbusters solved the whole moon landing conundrum for me, it's all simple physics, that most of the general public don't understand which makes it seem unreal.

    paddy

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    Agreed southey, one cannot deny the logic of mythbusters!

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    http://homepages.wmich.edu/~korista/moonhoax2.html
    I believe this is a reasoned and comprehensive refutation Biker.
    "Never creep up on a horse. For everything else, use your discretion."
    (Excerpt from Top Tips thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by outdoorpaddy View Post
    Mythbusters solved the whole moon landing conundrum for me, it's all simple physics, that most of the general public don't understand which makes it seem unreal.

    paddy
    Here are some fairly understandable answers to the usual points raised by the moon-hoax theorists.

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    +1 Phil Plait is badass!
    "Never creep up on a horse. For everything else, use your discretion."
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    A simple animated explanation of HOW the private Federal Reserve works and WHY it must be stopped HERE

    The Titanic a fake, nah.

    Moon landings, could well have been at the time.

    US Fed Reserve, hell yeah!


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    Quote Originally Posted by zarkwon View Post
    +1 Phil Plait is badass!
    Agreed. I hadn't seen the Michael Shermer refutations before but they are extremely good.

    No disrespect to those who prefer the conspiracy theories but I've always wondered why such complex conspiracies seem more likely than an actual landing. The number of people that would have had to be involved in the hoax would have been enormous. Something would have leaked almost immediately.

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    Brian Griffin: Peter, this is the sight of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
    Peter Griffin: Oh so Saddam Hussein did this?
    Brian Griffin: No.
    Peter Griffin: The Iraqi army?
    Brian Griffin: No.
    Peter Griffin: Some guys from Iraq?
    Brian Griffin: No.
    Peter Griffin: That one lady who visited Iraq that one time?
    Brian Griffin: No, Peter Iraq had nothing to do with this, it was a bunch of Saudi Arabians, Lebanese, and Egyptians financed by a Saudi Arabian guy living in Afghanistan and sheltered by Pakistanis.
    Peter Griffin: So you're saying we need to invade Iran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarkwon View Post
    http://homepages.wmich.edu/~korista/moonhoax2.html
    I believe this is a reasoned and comprehensive refutation Biker.
    Thanks for the article, but one line answers don't quite explain all the iregularites and discrepancies that constantly seem to come to light once you dig a little deeper.
    If you've got the time and more importantly the interest spend 2 hours watching this documentary (and others related to it, but like I said above there's also a lot of $hit stuff out there too to muddy the waters). Yes it looks like a weirdo show with someone handing out the aluminum cone hats but it also raises some VERY valid arguements which a simple one sentance answer just won't and can't cover.

    All I'm saying is make your own mind up, I went into it with a closed mind sure of the facts after arguing the toss with my brother about it, but I also have a curious mind too and I am open to the counter-arguement of "what if?" now I have an entirely different opinion. Judge for yourself.


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    Good job the Soviets (who no doubt had lots of radio recievers pointed towards the moon) didn't have a vested interest in proving that the Americans never got there eh?

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    Proffessor Antony sutton tells how the US was supplying the soviets during the cold war and space race.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sCps...ure=plpp_video

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    Would you look Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin Aldrin in the eye and call them liars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by southey View Post
    Would you look Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin Aldrin in the eye and call them liars?
    Someone did and got a right hook in the kisser. Then Buzz was asked again but didn't gibve a definitive answer but quoted diservice to America speech instead.



    Now had these men been sat down and told: Go to the moon in that ship and you won't come back, however someone one day will, but for now (1969) we'll have to pretend... For the good of America! (insert sound of Star-spangled banner music) and those three and the ones that followed the Apollo program being patriots played along. Did you know for all the achievements of Neil Armstrong the one thing he has be ordered NOT to talk about are the moon landings.

    As for the Russians debunking it. Watch the documentary for some interesting points about that.

    Please don't come back next and tell me two tall buildings caught fire and burned due to a plane crash then fell in freefall to the ground, and another relatively undamaged building did the exact same thing 8 hours later due to a fire. A feat which has NEVER been repeated before or since?

    They hide the secrets in plain site and feed you exactly what they want you to see and point and laugh at you when you question the party policy putting you in the same catagory as those silver cone hat wearers. Take a moment to stand outside from the herd and read what some of those unpatriotic debunkers and "UFO watchers" are saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biker View Post
    They hide the secrets in plain site and feed you exactly what they want you to see and point and laugh at you when you question the party policy putting you in the same catagory as those silver cone hat wearers. Take a moment to stand outside from the herd and read what some of those unpatriotic debunkers and "UFO watchers" are saying.
    Totally agree Biker.


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    I wonder what Paul McCartney would say about this? Such a shame he died in 1969...

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    Quote Originally Posted by southey View Post
    Would you look Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin Aldrin in the eye and call them liars?
    National heroes, fame, money, a place in the history books.... People have done it for less.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban X View Post
    Totally agree Biker.


    Si
    Thanks mate.

    What's so scary is that we accept it so blindly, mostly because the alternative is just too horrifying to accept, that people could be that manipulative of things we were sold as solid truths.

    I have more than a passing interest in cospiracy theories as you may have guessed.

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