Last edited by santaman2000; 13-04-2012 at 18:55.
Found out today that it was a chap I know whos helicopter caused the alarm, he was flying back from Aintree to Buckland Newton when his transponder became faulty and sent out the distress message. He was back home having dinner when the MOD phoned him asking where he and his chopper were. For those interested it was a Westland Gazelle.
If you can't tie knots tie lots!
realistically how effective are fighter planes going to be above the urban sprawl that is london? what are they actually going to do? anything that gets shot down will destroy whatever is unfortunate enough to be underneath it at the time.
distinct element of fantasy about the whole affair
The fighter aircraft are there to tackle the issue long before anything gets to the urban sprawl. Dont forget things happen very quickly at altitude. It's not the first time I've looked at London from the south coast as I'm running the checklist.
Regards whats supersonic at the treetops. Aardvark will do 1.2mach, not 2, though it's not, and never has been, a fighter. It simply got the 'F' desig as it was born from the debacle that was TFX and it carried the funding over. It has never operationally been a fighter, always a mud mover. The cancelled B desig was capable of carrying the Phoenix missile, but that aircraft was cancelled. We all know where that missile and the radar that guided it went though, so that worked out ok in the end.
If we're bending the rules a little, the F3 Tornado (pre restrictions) would shuffle away from the 'vark at treetop height on full chat. Mate who was a backseater on one tells substantiated claims of serious speeds when clean. There is a small, small club out there (that he is not a member of) that have claim on four digit IAS at oil rig height over the sea.
However, considering the 111 first got air under it's bum in '64/'65? and the F3 is a child of the 80's, kudos to the team at NASA that sorted out the inlets on the 111 and made it the aircraft it became.
They will intercept you way before London, as a hot air balloon pilot we have been given the restricted airspace maps for London and Portland they reach far and wide. If you enter the air space without permission you will be greeted by either a Puma helicopter or a Typhoon if you don't respond to them you WILL be shot down, they will first do a fly by, then release flares with possibly a 'follow me' sign if its the Puma. Then if you still do not respond you will be shot down. Just found this link http://www.rin.org.uk/Uploadedpdfs/I...1220-web-2.pdf
If you can't tie knots tie lots!
I guess it depends if the "target" is actually over the city at the time, the idea is to act as a deterant to any group who might think about an arial attack on either the capital or any other place.
Having aircraft in the air isn't just about eliminating targets by hopefully preventing them trying in the first place.
Better to have and not need, than to need and not have.
I doesn't matter where the shot down plane lands,just as long as it's not where they were aiming to land.The headline stating a plane was shot down is better than the one that reads plane hits target.
I hope there ain,t going to be a fuel strike before the olympics !! Can,t see any of them aircraft going any where with out fuel !!
im waiting for the government to introduce a "battle terror tax". will have more support than the fuel duties. especially if theres military hardware named in the advert.
Not many planes using Texaco for fueling up though.
Mind you the new stealth planes are pretty good
Im still trying to work out why we have to live in fear of these threats !! Why have we upset these people to make them angry in the first place ???
You're quite right about NASA though. They used it as a chase plane for other experimental craft. As did AF Logistics command when developing the B1.
You're also right about it not being used as a fighter per se. But it was always asigned to TAC nonetheless and the pilots always had a fighter pilot mentality.
Last edited by santaman2000; 13-04-2012 at 22:13.
so what did `our ` special forces do in oman ?? And why arn,t you in charge of the RAF ?? and why is the british government spending millions of pounds replacing peoples windows and flying jets out in all weathers to protect the capital against `terrorist` attacks during the olympic games ?? History is being made a we speak !! but why do we have to go to these measure,s ??? who have we upset and why ??
(A gentleman who historicaly has been responsible for a great many fastinating things...He seldom gets mentioned in the history books however.)
Just about everybody, I think. Call it Imperialism.who have we upset and why ??
Victoria ruled the largest empire on the planet. Military power made that possible. That's why we're an affluent nation, and that's what made us so many enemies.
But this discussion must stop here; history is OK, but the BCUK rules don't permit political discussions.
That was still world beating for many a year however, no mean feat for an elderly lady such as her. She sat at the top of that tree for over 25 years.
With the inlets I was referring to the work NASA did in the 60's on the design to stop compressor surges and stalls. Something the 111 was known and feared for. Doing a low level bunt or a high alpha pitch up meant big trouble before the redesign. It's thought to have contributed the aircrafts initially very poor safety record. Ironic, seeing as she eventually went on to become a very safe aircraft indeed once they ironed the bugs out and sorted out the quality issues on the welding - the first two aircraft operationally used in Vietnam were lost, thought eventually to be due to fin detachment through welding fatigue.
The crews I met who flew her loved her though, and felt that when her time did eventually come, as a spiritual successor, then the B1 is probably the closet out there. I had some very good times with the B1 crews in Diego Garcia (good lads even if they cant drink worth a damn) and those guys really did like to put the shoes to it low down under the radar.
Happy times those. Glad I had them.
And yeah I understand the memories. I enjoyed my AF time too. Never got to Diego Garcia though. All my overseas time was either in Europe or SE Asian mainland.
Last edited by santaman2000; 14-04-2012 at 01:34.
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