knotless tarp setup?

[cbr6fs]

Looking for a really quick and easy way to put up my tarp.

Came across the DutchWare site after a bit of searching and there seems to be some pretty innovative kit there, is anyone using the Hook, buckles and slings from there?


Ideally i'm looking to be able to do all the knot tieing at home then be able to put up the tarp without tieing any knots when out.

Ideas please.





Cheers
Mark

[forestwalker]

You could use bunges. Not actually *recommending* it thought.

A few loops of bunge is good -- saves the tarp in the long run -- but not a pure bunge setup (too inflexible)

[Elines]

?could you:

• fit some prussik loops to all of your guy lines etc
• each prussik loop could have proper 'loop'
• tie a mini krab at end of each cord etc .

then maybe you could pass the cord round the tree/tent peg and hook it into the loop (on the prussik loop). And then slide the prussik loop to tension.

if you don't want to buy mini krabs may be you could tie a loop in the end of each cord instead and use a stick threaded through the loops to attach the two loops (one loop at end of cord;one on the prussik loop)

hope that makes some sort of sense

Never tried this but may work or give you further ideas

[Shewie]

Looking for a really quick and easy way to put up my tarp.

Came across the DutchWare site after a bit of searching and there seems to be some pretty innovative kit there, is anyone using the Hook, buckles and slings from there?

Yep, using all three on my Warbonnet gear

[Harvestman]

Mini line-loks. Great bits of kit. Fully adjustable and they never slip.

[welshwhit]

Dutch wares stuff on my tarp set up, very useful!

Drew

[cbr6fs]

Thanks guys.

I'm banging my head against the wall here as i just can't seem to get my head round all the products on the Dutch page.

Currently i'm tying the ridgeline by hand.
Problem is though my left arm is paralysed, so this tying takes a fair while and even then a fair bit of use from teeth and even my feet.
This is no problem when i'm sat at home with me slippers off in the warm and out the wind.
But add in some awful weather, a fairly strong wind and a muddied up cord and using my teeth and taking off my boots to use my feet doesn't seem such a good idea any more.

I'm using the cord that DD sell as an extra with their 3x3 (the tarp i'm using), so i'm pretty sure this is too thick for these Dutch hooks, buckles etc?

I don't have a hammock so i just want to secure a tarp, so to my mind these straps that come in some of his kits seem massive overkill and extra weight when that sort of strength is not needed for tarp alone, so i think the whoopie hooks with suspension kits/belts are a bit overkill do you guys agree?

Then there is the "Tarp Flyz" these have the option of coming with "zing-it"

Option:
We can splice 2 tarp flyz on zing it with locked brummels and back spliced the end so they are easy to install, can never come off, has a professional finished look.

I'm a native English speaker who's spent most of his life outdoors yet the sales patter makes absolutely no sense to me.
Are these the bits that i will wrap around the tree?

If so i'll still need to find some way to attach them to the tarp right?



The Mini line-loks looks to be available from no end of places and and cheap.
Although they look to be a great solution for tensioning the line i can't see how i can fasten the end (that fits in the line -lok) without tying a knot.
Am i missing something?

[roger-uk]

Thanks guys.

I'm banging my head against the wall here as i just can't seem to get my head round all the products on the Dutch page.

Currently i'm tying the ridgeline by hand.
Problem is though my left arm is paralysed, so this tying takes a fair while and even then a fair bit of use from teeth and even my feet.
This is no problem when i'm sat at home with me slippers off in the warm and out the wind.
But add in some awful weather, a fairly strong wind and a muddied up cord and using my teeth and taking off my boots to use my feet doesn't seem such a good idea any more.

I'm using the cord that DD sell as an extra with their 3x3 (the tarp i'm using), so i'm pretty sure this is too thick for these Dutch hooks, buckles etc?

I don't have a hammock so i just want to secure a tarp, so to my mind these straps that come in some of his kits seem massive overkill and extra weight when that sort of strength is not needed for tarp alone, so i think the whoopie hooks with suspension kits/belts are a bit overkill do you guys agree?

Then there is the "Tarp Flyz" these have the option of coming with "zing-it"


I'm a native English speaker who's spent most of his life outdoors yet the sales patter makes absolutely no sense to me.
Are these the bits that i will wrap around the tree?

If so i'll still need to find some way to attach them to the tarp right?



The Mini line-loks looks to be available from no end of places and and cheap.
Although they look to be a great solution for tensioning the line i can't see how i can fasten the end (that fits in the line -lok) without tying a knot.
Am i missing something?

What about arachet strap on each side of tarp - should be sufficent to hodl tarp.

Cannot terst until next weekend

Roger

[monkey boy]

ok I found this very simple, where shes put a bunch rings in the cord, u can probally use the same system for the corners aswell, iv tried it once with my army basha and it works well but I dont always use it as i like tying my knots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0tHV...e_gdata_player

mb

[cbr6fs]

What about arachet strap on each side of tarp - should be sufficent to hodl tarp.

Cannot terst until next weekend

Roger

Hi Roger,

I have a few smaller ratchets for strapping the bikes to the rack, so i'll try them thanks.
Only worry is bulk and weight compared to say those Dutch hooks, plus i have read reports of some DD tarps tearing so i will have to be extra careful not to tension to tight.

ok I found this very simple, where shes put a bunch rings in the cord, u can probally use the same system for the corners aswell, iv tried it once with my army basha and it works well but I dont always use it as i like tying my knots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0tHV...e_gdata_player

mb

Now that seems a pretty easy solution, have watched a few of her vids but it's the first time i've seen that one, thanks.
Only worry is as above, weight and bulk of the bungee's.


Great ideas though guys and well worth trying, keep em coming please

[Teepee]

I'm using all dutch bits too with mini line locs, no knots and dead easy. I've used figure 9's from niteize, but I dont think they are as good. If your unsure, I'd order the complete set up and rig it, all will become clear and you wont go wrong with Dutch's stuff

Translation; "Option:
We can splice 2 tarp flyz on zing it with locked brummels and back spliced the end so they are easy to install, can never come off, has a professional finished look."

Locked brummel is a type of splice used to form a loop on the end of cord, one of a few ways of doing them. Back splice is where the cord is passed back down the inside of itself-this makes it fatter and stops the flyz coming off the end of the cord, like on the end of a whoopie sling.

[monkey boy]

Hi Roger,

I have a few smaller ratchets for strapping the bikes to the rack, so i'll try them thanks.
Only worry is bulk and weight compared to say those Dutch hooks, plus i have read reports of some DD tarps tearing so i will have to be extra careful not to tension to tight.




Now that seems a pretty easy solution, have watched a few of her vids but it's the first time i've seen that one, thanks.
Only worry is as above, weight and bulk of the bungee's.


Great ideas though guys and well worth trying, keep em coming please

you can do the paracord bit on both end of the tarp rather than the bungies,

[Big Stu 12]

What about these, a number of suggestion's here

http://www.niteize.com/pages/hardware

[cbr6fs]

I'm using all dutch bits too with mini line locs, no knots and dead easy. I've used figure 9's from niteize, but I dont think they are as good. If your unsure, I'd order the complete set up and rig it, all will become clear and you wont go wrong with Dutch's stuff

Translation; "Option:
We can splice 2 tarp flyz on zing it with locked brummels and back spliced the end so they are easy to install, can never come off, has a professional finished look."

Locked brummel is a type of splice used to form a loop on the end of cord, one of a few ways of doing them. Back splice is where the cord is passed back down the inside of itself-this makes it fatter and stops the flyz coming off the end of the cord, like on the end of a whoopie sling.

Fantastic thanks, makes perfect sense now

you can do the paracord bit on both end of the tarp rather than the bungies,

I've made a few notes and will try it with some paracord next time out, thanks.

What about these, a number of suggestion's here

http://www.niteize.com/pages/hardware

Some fantastic stuff there, seems mega cheap as well, thanks.

[Broomstickize]

I have gone Dutch on my set-up.

For the tarp I used this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBjsA...WLtrKibmEoJCs2

I can (should) post pictures here too. Just as soon as I've moved house!

[cbr6fs]

Great thanks.

Still not 100% what i need, but i've just placed an order for, a pair for Tarp Flyz on Zing-it, 4 x Dutch hooks and 50ft of Zing-it.
Should be able to sort something out with that little lot.

I'll let you know how i get on.

In the meantime if anyone has any others ideas please shout up.





Cheers
Mark

[Broomstickize]

You should have more than you need.

If you are following the vid you need 3 hooks and 1 flyz. I didn't go for the hooks on the prussiks for the tarp itself, so I used 1 hook & 1 flyz. I made soft shackle 'biners instead as I don't usually swap out the tarp - leaving it ready to go in a set of 'skins'. I also worried about the hooks coming loose in the skins or damaging the tarp...

[cbr6fs]

Just a bit of an update, the bits came in yesterday.



Mega fast delivery from the states and although i've not tried them yet, from the initial look and feel they seem VERY light and strong.

Will report back when i've had a chance to try them, thanks for all your help guys.



Cheers
Mark