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    Looks like were a testing ground for the uk. We will all be tagged one way or the other if were naughty........


    Gangbusters will force thugs to wear booze band if they want to stay out of jail

    Aug 21 2011 Exclusive by Norman Silvester, Sunday Mail

    BOOZE tags revealing if thug offenders have been drinking will be launched in Scotland.

    The tags have already been fitted to 200,000 convicts in the US – including Hollywood stars like wild child actress Lindsay Lohan.

    And an executive from Scotland’s Violence Reduction Unit will go to the States this week to meet the makers in Colorado.

    The Scots team hope the bracelets can help cut the country’s shocking levels of drink-related violent crime.

    The £850 tags – Secure Continuous Remote Alcohol Monitoring, or Scram for short – are kept on the offender’s ankle for 24 hours a day and are mainly used in the US for drink drivers.

    But in Scotland they will be offered as an alternative to prison for people whose drinking was a factor in violent offences.

    Data from the tag is sent remotely to a computer and, if alcohol is detected, the system alerts the authorities.

    If offenders break the booze curfew imposed by the court they will arrested, taken to court, then jailed.

    Violence Reduction Unit co-director Chief Supt John Carnochan said yesterday: “Alcohol-related violence is a huge problem for Scotland and we are fully supportive of all measures to tackle it, including the use of minimum pricing (for alcohol).

    “However, we know some people will require more intensive action and support in order to help them curb persistent violent behaviour related to drinking.

    “We are in the middle of developing a project with a range of partners – government, alcoholism services, health, police etc – which will help with the problem and will make an announcement in due course.”

    Carnochan’s co-director Karyn McCluskey is expected at the HQ of manufacturer Alcohol Monitoring Systems in Denver this week.

    A source said: “Karyn will visit them and a delegation from the US will make a return visit to Scotland in September.

    “The plans are well advanced and an agreement has been reached to use the tags in a pilot project before the end of the year.”

    Company vice-president Chris Stites said: “Scram helps law enforcement
    agencies track the alcohol consumption of previous offenders 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

    “It provides accurate monitoring of an offender’s alcohol consumption. Scram also detects any attempts to tamper with or remove the bracelet.

    “It is used mainly in the US for drunk drivers who are repeat offenders or have aggravating conditions, such as a high reading or a child in the car at the time of the offence.

    “In the US, these repeat offenders, defined as hard-core drunk drivers, are statistically responsible for the vast majority of the drink driving problem.”

    Lohan made the tag famous in 2007 when she agreed to wear it as part of her treatment for excessive drinking.

    Representatives from Alcohol Monitoring Systems will come to Scotland with the first batch of bracelets for testing.

    And the Violence Reduction Unit, based in Glasgow, hope to have a pilot project running later this year, using people convicted of violent drink-related crimes.

    If successful, the scheme is expected to be introduced across Scotland.

    The alcohol bracelet scheme already has the approval of the Scottish government, the courts, the Crown Office and even defence and human rights lawyers.

    But it has not yet been decided how the project will be funded.

    Alcohol is thought to be a factor in up to half of all violent crime in Scotland.

    Drunkenness and the crime it causes costs every Scottish taxpayer £900 a year.

    Strathclyde Chief Constable Stephen House has said: “If there was no alcohol, violent crime would drop by at least 50 per cent. In fact, probably by more than half.”

    Addiction expert Professor Richard Hammersley, of Glasgow Caledonian University, said of the tag: “This is something I would welcome if it is used properly by the courts.
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    I've worn a tag attached to my dufflecoat for years, helps when I get lost...

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    I didn't know you liked marmalade Miyagi



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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy View Post
    I didn't know you liked marmalade Miyagi



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    "an alternative to prison for people whose drinking was a factor in violent offences"

    Great, more violent scumbags allowed to roam free.

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    I won't say they don't exist, only that I've never heard of them. And I worked over a decade as a corrections officer. Are you sure you're not thinking of the "house arrest" ankle bracelets. They don't monitor alcohol consumption (TBH I have a hard time imagining how anything on your ankle could do that) Rather they are a transmitting devise that alerts the authorities if you leave the confines of your home (thus their usefulness in enforcing house arrest) Those ankle bracelets are quite common over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock View Post
    "an alternative to prison for people whose drinking was a factor in violent offences"

    Great, more violent scumbags allowed to roam free.
    See my post (#6) If it's what I think, it's a means to confine them to their house/home without having to spend tax money on their care and housing as when imprisoned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angus Og View Post
    Thanks. Obviously they do exist. Still, I've never heard of such being used here. But then every state has somewhat different protocols. California does have a certain experimental reputation also.

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    Soooo, supposin' supposin' his idiot mate dribbles his beer on the wearer's leg.....does that mean the first idiot goes to jail ?
    The Sheriff's court usually slaps a fine on drunken stupidity, and the high court takes so long to get through all the background checks that the original offence is all but forgotten

    The prisons are still full, but I doubt this is going to change much tbh Strikes me it's another of those 'good ideas' that make folks pretend that something's being done about a problem while throwing a fortune at it that could be better spent on something else.
    Fact finding junket to the USA ? We do have t'internet these days we even have phones and satellite communications.

    Okay, yes I'm cynical.

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    Well said Mary.

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    Oh, we dont want to do anything that affects the profits of the distilleries, do we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miyagi View Post
    Well said Mary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tengu View Post
    Oh, we dont want to do anything that affects the profits of the distilleries, do we?
    obviously not. Hoots mon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tengu View Post
    Oh, we dont want to do anything that affects the profits of the distilleries, do we?
    Wash your mouth out with soap for your heresy!!!

    Actually, the Gubmint could reduce the tax making it more affordable for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy View Post
    Soooo, supposin' supposin' his idiot mate dribbles his beer on the wearer's leg.....does that mean the first idiot goes to jail ?
    Toddy
    From admittedly hazy memory of seeing these in the USA before, the way it works is to monitor the electrical conductivity/chemical composition of sweat, so that scenario doesn't affect it.

    I'd still rather see the violent little people in jail though.

    Having them sat on their backsides playing xbox claiming benefits isn't how I'd like to see violent crime dealt with.

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    Have I missed something here? I thought Scotland was a prison. Like the Isle of Wight, but in Northshire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggot View Post
    Have I missed something here? I thought Scotland was a prison. Like the Isle of Wight, but in Northshire.

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    No, Scotlands the place they send men who want to wear skirts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tengu View Post
    No, Scotlands the place they send men who want to wear skirts.
    Funny how many Residents south OF HADRIANS WALL adopt the plaid when they resettle in Gods Country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggot View Post
    Have I missed something here? I thought Scotland was a prison. Like the Isle of Wight, but in Northshire.
    Hahahahaha, it is but we're allowed to walk and canoe where we want then fall down drunk. Kindly passing strangers traditionally used to cover us with bin bags as sheets thus inventing the basha/tarp...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tengu View Post
    No, Scotlands the place they send men who want to wear skirts.
    Again, correct, more real men should try it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger stacker View Post
    Funny how many Residents south OF HADRIANS WALL adopt the plaid when they resettle in Gods Country.
    They're moving to Texas!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by santaman2000 View Post
    They're moving to Texas!?
    No, you misread it. He said Gods Country, not a large tract of land populated by enormous, ostentatious, people who have arses the size of Belgium and eat their own bodyweight in chips and burgers each week, but think they are the Lords gift to everything. Easy mistake.

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    Says Gabriel to God,
    "How come you've given that bit of the world so many good things ?
    Beautiful rich fertile lands, soaring mountains, lochs and rivers full of fish, a wealth of minerals and pearls, glorious scenery, abundant forests ? Even the people are going to be inventive, creative ........ "


    "Ah, but," said God, "Just you wait 'til you see the neighbours I give them!"



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    Maggot so far you've insulted the Scots and the Texans.....make it a hat trick and I'll ban you.

    Go and read the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggot View Post
    ...large tract of land populated by enormous, ostentatious, people who have arses the size of Belgium and eat their own bodyweight in chips and burgers each week...
    You're thinking of California. Texans eat BBQ and Mexican fare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy View Post
    Maggot so far you've insulted the Scots and the Texans.....make it a hat trick and I'll ban you.

    Go and read the rules.

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    Gentley Mary. We're only having fun; nothing malicious.

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    Aye, *we* might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by santaman2000 View Post
    Gentley Mary. We're only having fun; nothing malicious.
    Thanks for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy View Post
    Says Gabriel to God,
    "How come you've given that bit of the world so many good things ?
    Beautiful rich fertile lands, soaring mountains, lochs and rivers full of fish, a wealth of minerals and pearls, glorious scenery, abundant forests ? Even the people are going to be inventive, creative ........ "


    "Ah, but," said God, "Just you wait 'til you see the neighbours I give them!"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy View Post
    Maggot so far you've insulted the Scots and the Texans.....make it a hat trick and I'll ban you.

    Go and read the rules.

    Toddy
    Um, does insulting the English not count?

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