If my bag weighs......

[Partickpebbles]

27 kilos to go on my first outing!.is it too much??.............Heading out with DD Hammock, Tarp, Sleeping Mat, 2 sleeping bags, Crusader Cook kit, Light Camo net, Shovel, Axe, Mess tins, and a few fire lighting bits!

Probably ott, but would prefer to have more than enough......

Will carry the food in another bag!

[lostplanet]

Take a look at this thread, http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68892

it should give you some ideas,

[lostplanet]

Also this is good, breaks a kit list down into parts,

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60498

[mountainm]

Camo net, shovel and axe?

Not sure you'll need those - you can dig a hole with a stick!

[markie*mark0]

Take a look at this thread, http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68892

it should give you some ideas,

I was just going to point him in this direction.

I walked around 10 miles with the rucksack, shoulders and feet absolutely killed me.

[sapper1]

If your happy carrying the weight , then it's O.K.
Different people are happy carrying different weights,I know some people who carry upto 100lbs,and I know some who carry 12lbs.They're all happy with what they carry.

[santaman2000]

The rule of thumb for an extended hike (more than a mile or two) is to keep the load at or below 1/5 of your healthy body weight. The load = ruck + clothing + boots + personal equipment in pockets or on belt + excess body fat. You can carry more and soldiers usually do ( they refer to the ruck as, "that big green tick") but the further you hike the less you enjoy it and the whole point of doing it is to have fun. Also terrain has a lot to do with it. Start on short hikes and decide what YOU can tolerate.

Remember plastic is lighter than metal. As far as eating utensils go, a plastic spoon is plenty. No need for a fork, spork, knife or any other such; if you cain't eat it with a spoon, you can eat it with you fingers. Better than a shovel for camp digging is a small plastic garden trowel.

[Highbinder]

How far are you walking? How long are you going for? Seems like a lot for what you've listed. How much water have you packed?

I'm a pussy and hate carrying weight. It makes my knee hurt and my hip too (both previously injured). The shoulder ache is soothed by the hammock so that's okay. I try and keep it under 10kg

[mrcharly]

As your fitness/health fades with age, your ability to pack light will improve

I used to be happy lumping 30-40Kg for a 3 day trip. Now I'd do the same trip with under 15Kg.

[Partickpebbles]

Not far tbh, but kinda dont want to not hav things I think I need..........

Mountainm you will see my friend!

[dave53]

as people have siad before on the forum make a list of what you take then when you get back a list of what you used this always helps me regards dave

[WeThePeoplexfbm]

Camo net, shovel and axe?

Not sure you'll need those - you can dig a hole with a stick!

what if you have to dig a hole for stiff?

[mikergj]

As said previously its down to you, every one is differant. Ive seen some carry so much weight they need a hand to get it on there back, obviously no good if its a solo trip.

Go with what you have and find the weight thats good for you, hopefully your not doing a long walk and if you are you should of been out a few times already and found a comfortable weight for you.

Believe me there are people out there who do actually prefer a good load on there back

[treadlightly]

You could get by with a lot, lot less, but if you don't want to then you've every right to carry as heavy a load as you see fit.

[Partickpebbles]

Someone said to me once 'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail!' will see how we do! will do a report!

Thanks for the Comments though!

PP

[789987]

well i said to you once 27 kilos plus your food and water is one heavy heavy bag!

[Neumo]

About 15Kg is 1/5th my bodyweight, which is a nice compramise for me. Lighter is always better when you have to go up one final hill at the end of the day....

[born2roam]

Looking at the weight and the stuff you mention in relation to your question... yes I think it is too much.... specifically on a first outing...

But horses for courses...

Try it out, enjoy it and else alter it....

Grtz Johan

[demographic]

27 kilos to go on my first outing!.is it too much??.............Heading out with DD Hammock, Tarp, Sleeping Mat, 2 sleeping bags, Crusader Cook kit, Light Camo net, Shovel, Axe, Mess tins, and a few fire lighting bits!

Probably ott, but would prefer to have more than enough......

Will carry the food in another bag!

Camo net? Who wil you be hiding from?

Shovel? Are you burying someone? Will the body be in another bag? What is the weight of the corpse? If not maybe a trowel might be better for burying turds.

Axe? I take it its your woodland that you will be chopping down? If its just for fires can you batton the dead wood with a knife instead?

[MrEd]

ok i just saw this thread and thought i would post up my kit. I have just taken it all out to pack for a trip later this week. This is all kit for 2 days and 1 night in local woods that im very familiar with. If i was going somewhere new then add in compass and map

Food.
boil in bag meals x3
tea/coffee/sugar/whitener sachets x lots as i like brews
chocolate bars x 2
dried fruit x 100g
some biscuits x 4
cup of soup sachets x 2

kitchen
monitor tourist paraffin stove
teflon lightweight mess tin, large
origami foldy up cup and bowl
spork x 2

sleeping
4 season bag
bivvy bag
3/4 kip mat
sheet shelter and lines
wool blanket

extras
knife
leatherman
FAK
hygiene kit (alco gel, toothbrush, toothpaste, tea towel)
30ft paracord
monocular
whistle
air thermals
waterproof jacket
book to read
headtorch

anything else i shove in a small shoulder bag, or in the pockets of my coat

all that lot weighs 13kg, but i have yet to add in water which will bump it up by 3 more kg. there is areas i can save weight, for example the stove is a chunk of brass in a pelicase (stops leaking paraffin spoiling my kit) but its hot fast and i love it, the bag is the swedish LK35 which is 2kg nearly in itself, and the blanket is thicker and heavier than i really need but again its worth the weight i think. I sometimes also carry a DSLR with telephoto zoom and a monopod and a bean bag which adds on another 4kg but that depends on why im on the trip photos or just the outside world experience!

I find bivvy camping to be lighter than hammock camping to be honest, as i found myself carrying tarp and lines, hammock and lines, underquilt and lines, and sleeping bag or 2 blankets. bivvy is much lighter lol.

so my total is about 13 -20kg depending on length of trip and whether i take my camera gear or not. if i was walking a large distance etc then i would swap out the stove for something lighter and consider purifying water as i need it,and perhaps taking dried foods

[Highbinder]

^ Any reason for taking a 4 season bag and a wool blanket?

[MrEd]

^ Any reason for taking a 4 season bag and a wool blanket?

no not really, other than it rolls up on the outside of my bag small enough and i normally use it either as extra insulation from the ground or as a clean admin area to sit/eat etc. not strictly necessary but its nice to have. in the summer months i use a cotton bag and the blanket on their own without the sleeping bag it weights about 900g i think

[Partickpebbles]

No not hiding, Just provided a little more privacy!

The shovel is a folding one, for digging out a fire pit, and then the Toilet!

And the wood I use has lots of dead and fallen wood, just needs trimming!

Cheers!