Fantastic thread, I love the idea of a 'modern fire pouch' and the wax impregnated paper sounds like just the item I was missing on my last excursion!
great , very well done to you sir.
its my delight on moonlight night in a season of the year
I enjoyed this, well put together and informative.
I also always take a kettle (trangia or kelly depending on foot, canoe or car). They save on fuel and water and just "add" something.
bivi bags are great, I have used my Goretex bag in Austrian Motorway service areas in winter, Scottish mountains, lowland and all kinds of other locations, I never travel without one.
would like to see the waxed paper in action, have been thinking of melting some candles down, or heating vaseline and then impregnating cotton balls, but paper looks just as good.
being in the desert another fire starter included in my kit is always a magnifying glass.
Now getting older, I am a lot more of a wus and use an Exped inflatable down mat to sleep on. Packs up a lot smaller than any of my thermarests, which I like a lot as well.
Thanks for the great thread, good to see lots of others ideas as well.
Alan R Lee.
And no I dont know why I lost all my post count..............
Fantastic thread Beast! I really appreciate the time and effort you put in. It's one of those subjects you always either think "I'm too shy to ask" or "everyone will do it their own way anyway". So Thanks a lot.
Just out of curiosity how do you cook the bacon you take on your trips? Didn't see a frying pan in your kit.
And actually this goes for everyone: How do you cook using the least amount of cooking tackle?
All the best,
Following on from the great start on this subject from Wilderbeast, I thought i'd add my kit. As earlier there is no right and wrong, just personal preference. Having carried my share of heavy loads in the past, I've looked at ways of lightening my kit. My outdoor background includes mountaineering, so packing big loads up steep hills stops being fun the older I get.
I've been lucky to have links with the outdoor trade for many years and have been able to acquire my kit without too much expense (what?…that old thing, I've had it ages dear….). Anyway as i wait in for a delivery, here's my contribution to losing weight.
1. Something to carry your outfit in
Previously I've used 70 litre Berghaus Roc in canvas but it is heavy compared to modern rucksacks. It's included here inspired by the canvas Crusader thread.
I like simple designs and now use a 50 litre Pod Thin Ice in dyneema, which has a starting weight of around >1kg. I've never got on with side pockets (handy though they are) and don't like the 'wideload' feeling in the woods and hills. If it won't go in the pack, it won't go.
2. Something to sleep under
As I spend a lot of time above the tree line most of the time I use a GoLite SL3 tent, which I can still rig as a tarp in the woods with it's top hanging loop. The other option is an Aus hoochie (or two) if I need an admin area in wet weather.
3. Something to sleep in
Down bags for me too. The weight/warmth ratio is excellent and in the many years of sleeping out doors I've never had a bag too wet to sleep in. With proper care a down bag is fine. This one is a Rab Alpine 300 which is swapped for a Rab Alpine 600 in winter. I use a Rab Survival Zone bivi bag as a waterproof cover for the sleeping bag and have used it to sleep out under the stars on summer nights.
Drybags are the way forward for carrying them.
4. Something to sleep on
I like the 3/4 self inflating mat Alpkit used to make. It's compact enough to fit inside the rucksack to stop it snagging or getting wet. In winter can be upgraded to a downmat 7dlx.
5. Navigational equipment
My favourite compass is the Silva type 4. I've replaced the one on the right with a more modern one (centre) as I don't have much call for mils these days and the perspex has become cloudy with use.
The GPS is a Garmin Oregon 300, great for confirming what you should already know
6. Something to cook over
A great little cooking unit from Evernew. The Ti DX, uses meths or as a small wood burner. Nests inside a Ti pot.
7. Something to cook in
Titanium again to keep the weight down. The Vargo Ti-lite pot has a potcosy to reduce fuel consumption and fits inside the larger Snow Peak 900 pot if i need to take more than one pot. The frypan lid i have lined with non-stick tinfoil to make cooking/cleaning easier.
8. Something to carry water in.
I like hydrating on the move, so use camelback rather than water bottles. Water filtering comes from a travel tap bottle, and a roll up water bottle for keeping water around the campsite.
9. A mug
A good little optional brewkit for the top pocket includes (yes more Ti ) a MSR mug and Vargo Decagon meths burner with Vargo meths bottle.
10. Eating utensils
I've not really liked the lightmyfire spork and prefer the Guyot MicroBites plastic knife (spatula) and fork combo. Cooking and serving is easier with these. If eating something other than packet food there's a Ti KFS set. This one was from Alpkit, though they stopped stocking it.
11. Medical kit
For the mountains i carry a really simple kit, plasters, painkillers, ambulance dressing, and ducktape. Everything else needs a helicopter
For lower level and general campsite i take a more comprehensive kit. If i take an axe, i will take Israeli dressings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMRklQkfDLE easy to apply yourself and gives good compression.
12. Illumination at night
Petzl Myo with lithium batteries for extended use and cold weather. Petzl e-lite lives in my pack for emergency lighting. Black Diamond Orbit LED Lamp for campsite use.
13. Wash kit
Simple wash kit with small hotel soap in a dish , alcohol based hand cleaner and lipsalve. (Can lubricate kit, waterproof a leaking zip with it too if needed)
Toilet set with light weight plastic trowel, paper, lighter and handwipes. Trowel is durable enough to dig a fire pit too.
Possibles- odds and ends to make life comfortable
A selection of other tools depending on where I'm off to. Small tin contains tinder kit (Hamaro wax paper etc) and lighters.
The knives are Puma Whitehunter, F1 and Mora 510 carbon. The Mora usually makes it for the weight saving
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when we destroy something created by man we call it vandalism, but when we destroy something created by nature we call it progress.
Thanks Treefrog, I found that really useful! Lots of titanium bits and pieces there, nice! :P
A big thank you to the OP and other contributors for putting together such detailed posts about their gear. As a relative newbie this kind of advice is gold dust!
As has been said the chopping board is a cracking idea! Nice post!
Time Is Precious. Waste It Wisely.
when we destroy something created by man we call it vandalism, but when we destroy something created by nature we call it progress.
Thought I'd post my example as well :-)
Bergen - Karrimor Sabre 60 - 100:
I choose this bergen for a couple of reasons, 1 it has the adjustable back which I liked the thought of 2, it actually has quite a range in size from 60 way up to 130 + with side pouches etc. It is really comfy to use. I forgot to get a picture before I put it away, hence the perfect image! I do like the back system, it did live up to the hype!
Starting top left and moving left to right
Black compression sac - Snugpac Softie Autumn - 1400g
Blue pouch - Wash kit (see below for detail) - 220g
Black pouch - Possibles kit (see below for detail) - 500g
Nato canteen, standard and crusader mug (full) - 1650g
Orange bag - Thermarest Lite 3 Short - 525g
Knife & sheath - Mora with custom Sheath - 180g
Blue towel - Lifeventure - 230g
Plastic bag underneath towel - Tatonka Alcohol Burner (fullish meths) - 160g
Leatherman - Skeletool - 130g
Flat black pouch - Honey Stove - 450g
Pile of clothes:
Waterproof trousers - Some cheap brand - 250g
Spare warm trousers - Some walking brand - 510g
Waterproof jacket - NorthFace - 380g
Woolen Jumper - Swanndri - 740g
Green pouch - DD Tarp 3mx3m - 790g
Black pouch - Hennessy Hammock Ultralite - 900g
Brew kit - Morrisons coffee with whitener and sugar, tea bags and separate whitener, hot chocolate - 200g
Pouch with mesh - Fire kit (see below for detail) - 390g
The softie autumn does me from March to Nov but I do run quite hot and don't feel the cold as bad as some.
Crusdaer mug doubles as cooking pot with hanger in possibles pouch.
Termarest is small in length but I don't find that an issue warmth wise or comfort wise.
I might chuck the Leatherman but it can be useful and doubles as a redundancy for the mora.
Honey Stoves rock, even if they do get fiddly when they warp, I find they boil 1/4 liter for a brew in less the 5 mins and extra bonus is they can take many fuel sources. I carry spare Hammaro tinder card in the pouch too.
Tatonka alcohol burner is a backup for if I can't find twigs to feed Honey Stove.
Spent a lot on the waterproof jacket to get the size / weight down but still have it do a good job, not so much on the trousers as I don't tend to use them much.
Swanndri's I love around the fire, I hate wearing my waterproof around burning embers!
DD Tarp I use to extend my living area and work under when conditions are bad.
The pouch itself is the pouch from the Lifeventure towel with a zip lock bag to keep everything waterproof.
Starting top left:
Rubber tire - As emergency tinder, works same as inner tube
Hammaro tinder card - Starts from a spark and gives a great heart to the fire
Lite My Fire fire lighters - As emergency tinder or for Honey Stove for emergency brew (important for recovery from hypothermia threat, can make all the difference)
Traditional flint and steel - A luxury because I enjoy using it with natural tinders and testing myself
Hacksaw blade - As a spare sticker from my fire steel (fire steel as part of my EDC, see below)
Matches - in a box and in a camera film case dipped in wax for extra security from water.
Jet flame lighter - For emergency tinder ignition.
This usually does it for me but I might add in char cloth, cotton wool, Vaseline etc. I tend to stick with fire steel and Hammaro for day to day requirements.
Yellow pouch - small first aid kit with plasters etc (mainly a blister kit)
Vaseline - for chapped anything and as a good firelighting extra
Imodium - for my number 1 bug out illness!
TCP hand sanitizer - I'm going to change to alcohol gel to get the added bonus of additional fire lighting material when this foam runs out.
Soap leaves - dissolve really easily in the palm of your hand, provide a manageable lather and don't make a mess.
Midge net - 101 uses
Romer - because I'm bad at estimating grid references
Spork - light and effective
Silver space blanket - good for shelter building use
Spare boot laces
Crusader mug hanger - for use over the fire
Crusader mug lid - improves boil time
Paracord - in donut, lots
DC3 Sharpener - a sharp knife is a safe knife
Pencil sharpener - sharpens pencils but also produces good dry tinder from sticks
Whistle - for emergency use and to give to my daughter so I feel more comfortable when she wanders off
Rite in the rain notepad
Head torch batteries
Collapsible hand saw
I do have the obligatory Gransfors Small Forest Axe but rarely take it out due to the illegality and I can pretty much do everything I'd ever need to with the saw.
I've got rid of loads of guff from this kit recently, this is what I actually use.
Weight excluding bergen - 10865g or 10.9 Kg
Weight including bergen - 14825g or 14.8 Kg
In my Every Day Carry (EDC) I have:
Camping SAK (Swiss Army Knife)
(These I have attached on a Wegner quick release keyring and chain which I keep attached to my belt loop and in my pocket)
Timex Expedition watch
Cash & credit card holder
Phone (v.important, I hope to replace with a SPOT Personal Tracker at some point)
When I'm out I'll also carry on me:
Pack size is my main issue, the sleeping bag, thermarest, swanndri all take up too much room. I'd like to be able to move down a pack size or two, new down sleeping bag next I think.
I've also just ordered a Nanok SF Reversible jacket which might replace the Swanndri for the really cold months and serve as an extension to the sleeping bag.
And my good lady wife just ordered a Platypus Insulator Hydration Pack Big Zip 2 litre and Aquaguard Eliminator In-Line Hydration filter to go with it (30th b'day pressie), that should sort water but there's also chemicals in the first aid kit. I think I'll get the Aquaguard lifestraw to keep about my person for emergency water.
Thanks for looking :-)
Another fantastically helpful post!
I love this thread.
I have different loadouts in different packs for different occasions. This is the loadout I am taking for a wild camp in the hills in a few days time.
I think thats a great list
I love these threads, good kit lists
Im off to Norway in just over a week to do a bit of hiking around the Nordmarka area in Oslo so heres my kit for the trip ,
My pack for this trip is my new shiny lowe alpine salient 70 lts of joy ,
Something to sleep under my Helsport lavvulight ,
Sleeping on and in , Jerven thermo xl, poncho liner and multimat adventure mat all this folds flat into my pack ,
Cooking as the fire bans in place now in Norway is going to be cooking on meths that will be brought in country,
Trangia trangle , trangia burner , Egor .8 litre kettle , kuksa spoon ,windsheld and mora
Food mainly Turmat rations brought on my last trip plus loads of brew kit lunch time snacks will be brought in Norway ,
All the cooking kit and food pack into a PLCE side pouch with all the zips and straps removed to save weight ,
This keeps all the cooking kit and food nice and tight and were I want them right at the top of the pack ,
Water , I use a 4 litre orblieb bag plus a 5 litre orblieb folding bucket thats ideal for collecting water from lakes and streams , water proof pack liner and a lightweight pack cover this I use to cover my bergen when it goes though airline baggage to give it a bit of protection as I only leave the grab handle exposed ,
Bits and bobs ,I carry a small pouch with a insect head net , insect repelant , head torch with fresh battery fitted but one removed in transit and a spare lighter ,
Wash kit ,
small pine tar soap , tooth brush , half a small tube of tooth paste , towel , FOOT POWDER ( this is a must ) pack of tissues and pain killers .
Spare clothes for the return trip ,
as lightweight as possable with an extra bag packed for dirty washing as and when, all packed in another pag to keep it tight .
Bit of warm kit , swanndri shirt , merkat pelt hat and my Arktis waterproof smock that I will be wearing .
Admin and more bits and bobs ,
passport, local cash, boarding passes and tickets , notebook with any local train timings needed ,local map , compass , GPS set to local grid system , UCO micro candle lantern ( Cheers Gordy ) spare candles , piece of cordage for attaching lantern to lavvu pole pair of steiners , sunglasses ,
Thats all folks
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"Carry light, freeze at night"
I don't know if many people will look at this thread again including the chap who started it [almost a year a go looking at the dates] but the insulation tape on the metal mug to help prevent burning lips when drinking hot fuilds is a cracking idea. Also the chopping board, as already praised by a few, I think in a good one too.
Picking up little ideas like those makes browsing older/ miscellanous threads worthwhile.
I still check back from time to time
I have to disagree about the fire stiker as un-neccesary, it is a survival essential. 3 forms of fire making, survival rule of 3. Every year here in the mountains (Canada & US) they pull out casualties that got into trouble by not taking needed gear with them.
Yes, I do carry a fire striker, but more because I use it light my stove(s) than anything else. I also carry three-five small non-refillable lighters as well as a jet lighter (I smoke hand rolled cigarettes - a working lighter is a must).
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Yes, hence my use of it to light my stoves. However, to light a fire, it's not enough to just get some sparks. You need tinder and whatnot to catch the spark and whatnot. A lighter is much easier.A fire striker just strikes, everytime.
Yes, I know, it's the wrong forum to sing the praise of lighters, but since I smoke I'm very much aware of how to handle a lighter and keep it working in cold and wet conditions. My firestriker will continue to be used solely for lighting my stoves - yes, that includeds my gas stoves.
Great thread guys, again, as a newbie to all this, this type of thing is invaluable to see where I am already on track, or needing to change tac:-)
I was thinking more of:
1. Life boat matches
2. Bic Lighter
3. Flint Striker
I also Carry regular wood strike anywhere matches with my stove and use a zippo for my cigs.
Being a newbie to bushcraft I have read this thread with the utmost interest. Loved the start and it is very well put together and informative, and stresses that all kit is personal..
As for fire lighting, as far as I can tell you need to carry three different styles of lighting, and different types of tinder. If natural tinder is readily available use that first.
Anyway as for the basic kit at the start of the thread, thank you for the info, and it will help me with my kit.