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[soul72]

I was warmed by the sun, rocked by the winds and sheltered by the trees as I was living peaceably when people began to speak bad of me. Now I can eat well, sleep well and be glad. I can go everywhere with a good feeling. We took an oath not to do any wrong to each other or to scheme against each other.

I cannot think that we are useless or God would not have created us. There is one God looking down on us all. We are all the children of one God. The sun, the darkness, the winds are all listening to what we have to say.

When a child, my mother taught me to kneel and pray to Usen for strength, health, wisdom and protection. Sometimes we prayed in silence, sometimes each one prayed aloud; sometimes an aged person prayed for all of us... and to Usen.

I was born free where the wind blew free and there was nothing to break the light of the sun. I was born where there were no enclosures."

[Everything Mac]

bit early for a stiff drink isn't it?

[Nat]

Wrong section aswell

[locum76]

....Cochise?

[marcusleftthesite]

Geronimo

[Huon]

....Cochise?

Geronimo according to this:

http://mrmom.amaonline.com/poems/indianwisdom.htm

Personally I prefer it when quotes are attributed to their source but there you go.

Cheers!

Huon

[Huon]

Geronimo

Snap!

you are quick sir!

[marcusleftthesite]

Snap!

you are quick sir!

My google foo is strong tonight

[bushwacker bob]

Geronimo

I thought you'd jumped out of a tree!!!

[wattsy]

bit out of the blue as well. if i'd heard someone spouting that in the street i'd have crossed over the road to avoid them

[marcusleftthesite]

I thought you'd jumped out of a tree!!!

If I jumped out of a tree it would have eeeeek splat there aswell

[nuggets]

I was warmed by the sun, rocked by the winds and sheltered by the trees as I was living peaceably when people began to speak bad of me. Now I can eat well, sleep well and be glad. I can go everywhere with a good feeling. We took an oath not to do any wrong to each other or to scheme against each other.

I cannot think that we are useless or God would not have created us. There is one God looking down on us all. We are all the children of one God. The sun, the darkness, the winds are all listening to what we have to say.

When a child, my mother taught me to kneel and pray to Usen for strength, health, wisdom and protection. Sometimes we prayed in silence, sometimes each one prayed aloud; sometimes an aged person prayed for all of us... and to Usen.

I was born free where the wind blew free and there was nothing to break the light of the sun. I was born where there were no enclosures."

fresh claims , sir! is aisle B

[BushEd]

there's some fairly closed minds on here...

[Tengu]

I never knew Geronimo was a hippy.

[Alchemist]

Come on mate, don't be shy, tell us what the F~!? you actually want to say.

What is this post all about?

Could you please write your reply in plain english please.

NB- Please don't use the word inneffable

[Toddy]

Y'know ? I was going to close this on religious grounds, but you lot have taken it such a total digression that it's actually quite entertaining

.........we used to yell "Geronimo!!" when we jumped off the roof, or the sea wall or a tree.........I thought Geronimo was a Plains Tribe native American Did they "have* anything to jump off ??

cheers,
Toddy

[maddave]

Yeah OK I can dig this, but not "bushcrafty" as such, so moved to "other chatter"

peace and love homies.....Peace and love !!

[TomBartlett]

Ray Mears' Extreme Survival Series 1 Episode 5. He follows the footsteps of the Apache tribe across the Arizona Desert and ends up at the spot where Geronimo surrendered. They hid in the mountains there, so I guess there was plenty to jump off.

[maddave]

I love the Apache wedding blessing that Jules and I had read when we got married

Now you will feel no rain
For each of you will be shelter to the other.
Now each of you will feel no cold
For each of you will be warmth to the other.
Now there is no loneliness for you
For each of you will be companion to the other.
Now you are two persons
But there is one life before you.
Go now to your dwelling place to enter into the days of your togetherness
And may your days be good and long upon the earth.

[Bravo4]

I thought Geronimo was a Plains Tribe native American Did they "have* anything to jump off ??

cheers,
Toddy

He lived (mostly) in the Gila (HEE-la) area of southern Arizona/New Mexico. Not from the plains, definitely not a hippie.

http://www.chiricahuaapache.org/

"We were taught that Usen does not care for the petty quarrels of men."
Geronimo
His Own Story

[soul72]

Hi there

Read your post of Geronimos speech, its a great one.

I would warn you, many on here equate bushcraft with camping + a bowdrill. Few are into the real paleo-arts or any of the spirituality associated with it. Its an annoying thing i found, as i am very much into the broader aspects of bushcraft, and actually practising it, as oppose to sitting on my sofa accumulating tents and stoves...A more accurate name would be SurvivalUK, but c'est la vie.

If you haven't already, have a look at http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/ seems much more broad yet much more detailed.

Enjoy,

[Toddy]

Are we feeling irked then ?

Palaeoplanet is well known to the members here, and it is no one else's place to comment on another's spirituality, and certainly not on a site which clearly asks for no religious discussion.

Toddy

[soul72]

just passing it on man ???????????????????????

[soul72]

A place to sit back and just chat about stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else.

[Toddy]

Hmmmm, you underestimate me.

I'm a woman

cheers,
Toddy

[Bravo4]

Few are into the real paleo-arts or any of the spirituality associated with it.

''First they came to take our land and water, then our fish and game....Now they want our religions as well. All of a sudden, we have a lot of unscrupulous idiots running around saying they're medicine people. And they'll sell you a sweat lodge ceremony for fifty bucks. It's not only wrong, its obscene. Indians don't sell their spirituality to anybody, for any price. This is just another in a very long series of thefts from Indian people and, in some ways, this is the worst one yet.''
Janet McCloud, Tulalip
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/wannabes.htm
(Mods, if this part of my post is off the mark, let me know. I think it's important but am happy to edit at your discretion)

I always think that there are at least two sides to a thing and if I'm only seeing the one, I'm just not seeing the other.

No need to be annoyed Soul72; there are some genuine, real people on this site and everyone has something to offer. If you've no use for a certain plant say, you walk on and leave that plant be.

Foot races and running are a part of Southwestern Native culture. Racers are celebrated for their speed, but only during the race. The winning athlete is not placed on a pedestal nor celebrated in any way as athletes are today. Every member of a community has an area or talent where they are the "best". To merely celebrate the strongest or fastest is to deny one's own talents, and to my mind, a serious flaw of modern society.
http://www.amazon.com/Indian-Running.../dp/0941270416
This is an excellent book.

bushcrafty stuff
http://slinging.org/index.php?page=h...---l-w-forsyth

http://www.texasindians.com/apach.htm

I've got to run (not supposed to be online at the moment)
cheers,
Bravo4

[FreddyFish]

Hi there

Read your post of Geronimos speech, its a great one.

I would warn you, many on here equate bushcraft with camping + a bowdrill. Few are into the real paleo-arts or any of the spirituality associated with it. Its an annoying thing i found, as i am very much into the broader aspects of bushcraft, and actually practising it, as oppose to sitting on my sofa accumulating tents and stoves...A more accurate name would be SurvivalUK, but c'est la vie.

If you haven't already, have a look at http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/ seems much more broad yet much more detailed.

Enjoy,

Are we feeling irked then ?

Palaeoplanet is well known to the members here, and it is no one else's place to comment on another's spirituality, and certainly not on a site which clearly asks for no religious discussion.

Toddy

I was sat here reading and re-reading this, wondering if i want to put my head above to parapet, so i'll get ready to duck

This exchange looks like it might be posting at cross purposes.
Souls post looks to me like a quote from a pm, and not personnel comments.
I could be wrong.

I do not want to be down or discourage anyone but I would like to offer some friendly advice soul72, it would be handy to quote sources in any further posts to help avoid and confusion.

But if I got the wrong end of the pineapple......... sorry.

[locum76]

Damn, I thought I'd nailed it. I thought Geronimo was Cherokee not Apache.

Its a lovely quote though if you are into that sort of thing.

[zorro]

Hmmmm, you underestimate me.

I'm a woman

You have been warned.

[Fredcompanybushcraft]

Hmmmm, you underestimate me.

I'm a woman

Cue scary music