'Dogs as alternatives to knives'

[tobes01]

Is anyone else following this latest round of complete flippin' stupidity with the same astonished dumbstruck awe as me?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8556195.stm

By way of experimentation I've just tried using my labrador as an alternative to a knife, but the bread got all covered in drool and fur. And eaten. Think I'll stick with the knife for now.

[Badger74]

Third party insurance sounds sensible, but then I also heard qoutes of £700 a year for it. Then there will be a rush of claims because the insurance is there to be abused.

[MrEd]

i really struggled to baton logs with the jack russell just now, got there in the end but the dog wasnt happy........

madness.

I once got bitten by an alsation, but then i had climbed over a fence to have a swim in a neighbours pool after hours and one of their guard dogs got me, i thought i was safe in the pool but one jumped in so i got out and got tagged by the other lol. i also fell in a holly bush wearing just swimming shorts - good times. i didnt even know they had guard dogs lol thats as back in the early 90's

[dwardo]

Its just this weeks public pleaser, it will pass.

[Prawnster]

Am I missing something? I can't see any reference to knives in that link?

I think it's about time the government did something about irresponsible dog owners. The culture of making a powerful dog aggressive has got to be curbed. I'm a dog lover myself and I don't believe there is such a thing as a dangerous breed, only dangerous dog owners. Hit them where it hurts, in the pocket.

Mr Ed your experience with the swimming pool had me in stitches

[locum76]

I'm sure the posties will welcome this.

[tobes01]

R4 Today programme was discussing 'Dogs as alternatives to knives'. Personally I use mine as alternatives to hearth rugs, vacuum cleaners and stink bombs...

[Jakata]

As usual its a punishment for the masses for the idiocy of the few, those that this is aimed at wont even both getting it anyway. There is also going to be a huge amount of abandoned dogs now too. This angers me quite a lot actually.

[V4V]

You mean people arent obeying the law, and threatening people with animals?

And the solution is to bring in a new law they wont obey?

And in some strange cultures this is percieved as a logical step?

I love the news - it always brings me some reason to stare open mouthed at the screen in quiet awe of the stupid.

[scrogger]

For Sale .... two border collies!! they can gnaw through wood,Catch rabbits, you can sweep up their moutled fur to weave and make a jumper, and you can rub them together to make fire!!

Lunacy again!! just another Law that will cost even more money and will never be policed in any case.

As a for instance I was sat at a junction yesterday with the cars either side of me drivers on mobiles and the car behind me was a nick nick car with 4 coppers in it.
Did they get out and have a word? NO.

lol its a funny old world!!

[MrEd]

Mr Ed your experience with the swimming pool had me in stitches

yeah it did me aswell lol 4 in me leg

[Adze]

It's not about compo or about safety... it's about tax.

All insurance premiums attract insurance premium tax. More insurance you're legally obliged to have more tax gets collected.

This is a drop in the vast banking bonus deficit ocean perhaps, but as Britain's most successful supermarket chain is wont to say... "every little helps".

[BorderReiver]

***, they've had my pistols, they've made it near impossible to carry my tool of choice and now they're after my dogs.

[hermitical]

we use ours as alternatives to hot water bottles

thing is hot water bottles don't stretch their legs and take over the bed...

[nickliv]

If you become a member of the Dogs Trust (£20 a year) you get 'free' 3rd part public liability insurance. £1M cover IIRC

http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/giving/m...p/default.aspx

No idea where they got the figure of £700 a year from. Perhaps it's for a scally with previous convictions owning a veritable herd of 'pitbull type' dogs.

How the bloody hell they'll police it is anyones guess.

Just noticed that it's England and Wales, does this mean mine will have to have cover for when he goes on his holidays?

[Tengu]

As a longtime occaisional delivery idiot I have never met a dog worth sniffing disdainfully at.

They certainly are good at spreading diesease (as my friend found haha)

I cannot think of a further use for them.

If the govt can tax them, good luck to them.

[korvin karbon]

anyone ever had a pitbull set on you before?? I have, was not a nice experience. Personally i would lock the neds / chavs who use animals as weapon, in the same cell.

Good way to prove that their dog isnt violent.

[Miyagi]

As a longtime occaisional delivery idiot I have never met a dog worth sniffing disdainfully at.

They certainly are good at spreading diesease (as my friend found haha)

I cannot think of a further use for them.

If the govt can tax them, good luck to them.

I take it you've been on the sharp end of a dog then once or twice?

The dog wasn't simply trying to get at that big chip on your shoulder perhaps?

Tax dogs? Sounds like the old license we used to pay for at the GPO.

[hermitical]

The dog wasn't simply trying to get at that big chip on your shoulder perhaps?

Very good!

[demographic]

Just another way of getting cash out of people and generating tax revenue.

[Whittler Kev]

If you become a member of the Dogs Trust (£20 a year) you get 'free' 3rd part public liability insurance. £1M cover IIRC

http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/giving/m...p/default.aspx

No idea where they got the figure of £700 a year from. Perhaps it's for a scally with previous convictions owning a veritable herd of 'pitbull type' dogs.

How the bloody hell they'll police it is anyones guess.

Just noticed that it's England and Wales, does this mean mine will have to have cover for when he goes on his holidays?

Paid u member fron this minute. Thanks for the link.
Not joined just for insurance, looks like a worthwile charity as well

[BorderReiver]

There are about 8 million dogs in the UK.

There are possibly a few thousand dependency culture thugs who abuse dogs for their own ends.

So, in order to look as if they are doing something, 8 million people are going to be inconvenienced by HMG. The thugs will, as usual, ignore any laws or restrictions.

Old folks who have a dog for company; "Dogs for...." users; field sports dogs users; agility dog enthusiasts etc etc, will all be put to extra expense and bureaucratic twaddle.

For the record, my own dogs are fully comprehensively insured and chipped because I chose to.

[Prawnster]

There are about 8 million dogs in the UK.

There are possibly a few thousand dependency culture thugs who abuse dogs for their own ends.

So, in order to look as if they are doing something, 8 million people are going to be inconvenienced by HMG. The thugs will, as usual, ignore any laws or restrictions.

Old folks who have a dog for company; "Dogs for...." users; field sports dogs users; agility dog enthusiasts etc etc, will all be put to extra expense and bureaucratic twaddle.

For the record, my own dogs are fully comprehensively insured and chipped because I chose to.

I understand the whole 'the majority suffers because of an idiotic minority' argument Mike.
What would you do about it though? I'm genuinely asking
A lot of folks on here live in the country and generally don't have to put up with chav types who breed/keep dogs just to be macho or even fight them. But a lot of us live in towns and cities and this is a big concern. Our kids have to share the local parks with d***heads and their beefed up snarling dogs.
For the record Staffies are my favourite breed as I grew up with them and I think Pit Bulls are a lovely breed. Very misunderstood and abused IMO

[greasemonkey]

I'm going to breed 3 inch long, folding dogs. I'll make a fortune!

[Miyagi]

I'm going to breed 3 inch long, folding dogs. I'll make a fortune!

Hahahhaaaaa

Too late, they're called Chihuahuas.

[tobes01]

I'm going to breed 3 inch long, folding dogs. I'll make a fortune!

Utter genius - your EDC (Every Day Canine) would be a winner, get cracking with the eugenics programme...

[Melonfish]

The innocent have nothing to fear. That is except the government who seem to be going out of their way to criminalise the innocent in every damn way possible...

i think what this boils down to is the governments disrespect of us as a people, they don't believe there's anyone out there with any common sense anymore anyone who's decent. i'm half inclined to agree sometimes when you see the state of the ignorant types that roam the streets. however, i know there's a hard core of decent people in this country and we get stiffed by all these ridiculous laws and silly scaremongering.

look at the last time the tories were in, how many civil liberties were effected? (granted it was our wallets that were effected) now look at what labour have done, we can't take pictures of buildings in the street, anything gun or knife shaped is going to send you to either jail or the morgue, owning a dog will soon require you to have insurance just incase it mauls someone (chiuaua would be hilarious for quotations) i can go on and on and on. its sickening not to mention riding the economy into the ground like slim pickins riding the nuke in dr strangelove...

bugger it, the gov't has no respect for me, thats fine the feelings mutual.

i think compare the meerkat will soon branch out to dogs mind, talk about money maker.

[BorderReiver]

I understand the whole 'the majority suffers because of an idiotic minority' argument Mike.
What would you do about it though? I'm genuinely asking
A lot of folks on here live in the country and generally don't have to put up with chav types who breed/keep dogs just to be macho or even fight them. But a lot of us live in towns and cities and this is a big concern. Our kids have to share the local parks with d***heads and their beefed up snarling dogs.
For the record Staffies are my favourite breed as I grew up with them and I think Pit Bulls are a lovely breed. Very misunderstood and abused IMO

I would use the law as it stands.

Get rid of "Targets" for the Police and get their pen pushers out on the street.
Zero tolerance for threatening behaviour; assault; causing fear and alarm, all using dogs.

While they're at it they can clamp down on all the other anti social activity that takes the pleasure out of living in a city.

[British Red]

Dead easy to solve the problem. You are responsible for your dog. Thats it. If your dog does it - its no different in law than if you had done it. If someone owns a dog that kills someone, the law treats it as if the owner had done it.

That's what happens if I abuse any of my possessions. I choose to own a rifle. If it causes injury through my act or failure to act, I am responsible. Why would it be different for a dog I choose to own than a gun I choose to own? If I cause another to suffer through action or neglect, I am responsible. If no one suffers, no problem.

Simple.

If we just make people accountable for the things they do, own, and ignore, life is easy again.

Red

[Prawnster]

Dead easy to solve the problem. You are responsible for your dog. Thats it. If your dog does it - its no different in law than if you had done it. If someone owns a dog that kills someone, the law treats it as if the owner had done it.

That's what happens if I abuse any of my possessions. I choose to own a rifle. If it causes injury through my act or failure to act, I am responsible. Why would it be different for a dog I choose to own than a gun I choose to own? If I cause another to suffer through action or neglect, I am responsible. If no one suffers, no problem.

Simple.

If we just make people accountable for the things they do, own, and ignore, life is easy again.

Red

Once again we are of like mind BR