Copyright?

[TheViking]

How are the rules for copyright? I have a few pictures from an online book, I'd like to share. :wink:

[Gary]

Little Viking do you mean for BCUK or in general?

Copyright law and trade mark law is very complicated - but as a general rule if you give the original sourse credit you should be ok with copyright and as for trademarks as long as what you say is true as trade mark isnt worth squat.

But dont take my word for it - try Danzo on BB he's a legal boff or I have a friend and ex-member of this forum who is a whizz kid corperate guy in London I can give you his details and you can try him.

Hope that helped.

[TheViking]

Thank you. Mostly for BCUK. :-) I forgot to mention that the pictures are from the swedish army survival handbook, which is a public, online book and can be found here ! (it's BTW much much better than US armys, it gives detailed info on how much each plant gives in calories, set up nets for fishing, etc. and has VERY good pictures)

So i should be alright if it's an online book and I mention the source? :-)

[Adi007]

but as a general rule if you give the original source credit you should be ok with copyright and as for trademarks as long as what you say is true as trade mark isnt worth squat.

Sourcing credit doesn't mean a thing ... I could tell you here that I will let you use XYZ in a book or on a website and then sue you later because I could say it wasn't me that typed this but my cat (or maybe that cat from next door, I don't like the look of that). The only way you can be certain of not getting sued when you use anything that belongs to others is to get the permission of copyright holder - and you would need that in writing. This kind of declaration would need to include the fact that the copyright holder declares that they are in fact the copyright holder (and not passing something off as theirs) and they they are giving you permission to use their material in a particular way. I know because I have to do this sort of thing all the time.

There are fair use laws but these are complex and usually only applies to reviewing and journalism. Some material also have policies that allow you to make use of their material as long as you credit it - but never assume anything.

A lot of the time I find that the hassle in trying to get permission is not worth it and it's far better/quicker to create original material or new material based on the old one (derived) along with changes and improvements.

[khimbar]

That's a cool looking pdf though. Anyone fancy having a stab at translating it for us or know where there's an English language equivalent. About the only word I could work out was rucksack. :?:

[Gary]

That's a cool looking pdf though. Anyone fancy having a stab at translating it for us or know where there's an English language equivalent. About the only word I could work out was rucksack. :?:

Khimbar I dont think there is a english version avaialble. I have the book format of this as well as several of Lars Falt's book and I think you'll find even in Swedish the pictures speak for themselves.

[khimbar]

229 pages. Wonder if work would notice if I printed it out?
And I agree about the pics they look pretty useful. Thanks for the link.

[Gary]

Sourcing credit doesn't mean a thing ... I could tell you here that I will let you use XYZ in a book or on a website and then sue you later because I could say it wasn't me that typed this but my cat (or maybe that cat from next door, I don't like the look of that). The only way you can be certain of not getting sued when you use anything that belongs to others is to get the permission of copyright holder - and you would need that in writing. This kind of declaration would need to include the fact that the copyright holder declares that they are in fact the copyright holder (and not passing something off as theirs) and they they are giving you permission to use their material in a particular way. I know because I have to do this sort of thing all the time.

There are fair use laws but these are complex and usually only applies to reviewing and journalism. Some material also have policies that allow you to make use of their material as long as you credit it - but never assume anything.

A lot of the time I find that the hassle in trying to get permission is not worth it and it's far better/quicker to create original material or new material based on the old one (derived) along with changes and improvements.

Just as well I said dont take my word for it!!

[Adi007]

The bottom line of all this is that fair use of not, bcUK doesn't have permission from the copyright holder. Whatever individuals want to do is their own business and if someone kicks off about it, it's their responsibility. When members post here they accept responsibility for any consequences of what happens but to avoid aggravation it's best to avoid duplicating copyrighted material. Links are fine, quotes are fine, but wholescale duplications is a grey area and we don't have time to deal with it. If you want to put it on your own site TheViking/Gary, fine, that's up to you but here we can do without the agro.

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

[jamesdevine]

I am no leagal brain.

But I would imagine that if you went out and duplicated and tested a shelter type displayed in the text for example and took your own photos and wrote your own review of how easy it was to construct and how comfortable/waterproof it was would be of more benefit and more enjoyable to read by all the BCUK members as well as yourself and I would not imagine you being in breach of copyright law.

This is just my opinion and thoughts. As I said I am no legal brain.

James

[Adi007]

I am no leagal brain.

But I would imagine that if you went out and duplicated and tested a shelter type displayed in the text for example and took your own photos and wrote your own review of how easy it was to construct and how comfortable/waterproof it was would be of more benefit and more enjoyable to read by all the BCUK members as well as yourself and I would not imagine you being in breach of copyright law.

This is just my opinion and thoughts. As I said I am no legal brain.

James

Well said!

[TheViking]

I am no leagal brain.

But I would imagine that if you went out and duplicated and tested a shelter type displayed in the text for example and took your own photos and wrote your own review of how easy it was to construct and how comfortable/waterproof it was would be of more benefit and more enjoyable to read by all the BCUK members as well as yourself and I would not imagine you being in breach of copyright law.

This is just my opinion and thoughts. As I said I am no legal brain.

James

I have done that often, but when you do you get a lot of background in the picture which i don't like and a drawing (as in the swedish army handbook) shows more clear IMO.

[jamesdevine]

I am also no great photographer(previous reviews you have done have very good by the way :biggthump ) so I can certainly relate to that. But it is as I see the only way to really avoid the copyright police. You could also include a link to the pdf after the review in a why to clear up any questions that the read may have. Kind of like a Bibliography so to speak. It also give credit to the original source.

Again only my thoughts.

James

[TheViking]

I am also no great photographer(previous reviews you have done have very good by the way :biggthump ) so I can certainly relate to that. But it is as I see the only way to really avoid the copyright police. You could also include a link to the pdf after the review in a why to clear up any questions that the read may have. Kind of like a Bibliography so to speak. It also give credit to the original source.

Again only my thoughts.

James

Yeah. I think i'll just stay clear of copying anything, to be on the safe side. :-)

[Viking]

Why not try and email the Swedish army Survival school at K3 and ask them?
overlevnadsskolan@k3.mil.se

If they can´t help you maybe they can point you to someone who can.

[spamel]

Hi all

Would it be feasible to download, say, one of the tutorials posted on BCUK to my PDA if I wanted to take the information into the great outdoors and try to put it into practise? I would not be transmitting this information to somebody else through another website, it would be for my own personal use. I only ask because of that blurb at the bottom of the page (scroll down as far as you can, there it is!).

Maybe a mod could clear this up please?

[Not Bob]

Does the bit at the bottom of the page mean that if I post an article here its copyright belongs to BCUK or does it still belong to me?

[match]

Would it be feasible to download, say, one of the tutorials posted on BCUK to my PDA if I wanted to take the information into the great outdoors and try to put it into practise? I would not be transmitting this information to somebody else through another website, it would be for my own personal use. I only ask because of that blurb at the bottom of the page (scroll down as far as you can, there it is!).

If a book is published, be it in paper or online form, then you are allowed to take your 'received copy' - i.e the one you bought or downloaded and do anything you like with it, except copy it really. the fact they give it away free is unrelated to copyright - they've just chosen not to charge for it....

Interesting to read that what I have just done (linked without the authors permission) has been deemed illegal in some circumstances and not in others.

It is usually deemed that linking is ok, provided you make it clear that its an external link, and name the author/site. So, for example:

BushcraftUK is ok

My personal bushcraft site! is not :wink:

Does the bit at the bottom of the page mean that if I post an article here its copyright belongs to BCUK or does it still belong to me?

The 'framework' of the site (logos's, layout etc) is copyright BCUK. However, the articles themselves remain copyright the original author - i.e you (it even got your 'name' at the top of it!). BCUK is merely a publisher for your articles, although it does reserve the right to joint-authorship (i.e editing your posts), and to censorship if necessary. Bear in mind that legally, this means that both you and BCUK are responsible for not breaking any laws with these posts, although there is a general exception that the BCUK mods would be excused if you posted copyrighted material and they didn't notice (but not if someone pointed it out to them and they did nothing...).

[chris]

Hiya Match

Good stuff - I was refering to an article in the Templetons 10 myths about copyright site that I put a link to above. Here it is again - www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

He states that in the U.S some people have been done in civil court for posting links on websites without/against the authors knowledge/permission.

Crazy - is that not what the web is all about. Then again if someone who runs a not so good company or site and puts a links list on their site to companies/sites that are are well respected - do these people not have a right to say, hey, get my site off your links list - we don't want to be associated with you or your doings etc. :?:

An absolute minefield, my advice would be to ask first. :wink: