Shocking story on BBC News

[Alex...]

Okay, it's a deliberately misleading title. But has anyone seen this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/8405586.stm

What with a number of these issues, including the recent bushcraft post on the pigeon, I'm beginning to think that these things are becoming more and more common.

I find it a shame that "for legal reasons" they cannot be named. It's not as though they didn't know what they were doing for their age.

I would happily boycott any firm that ever employed them. I wonder what they will go on to do next.

Sorry for moaning, I know it's not a bushcrafty thing, but I wonder how many people would love to meet these gents in a dark alley and reeducate them in the rights and wrongs of society.

Moan over...........

[Prawnster]

Absolutely awful story but...

Could the mods do something about the thread title please? I find it a little distasteful and think it reflects badly on this forum.

[Matt.S]

I doubt breeding has anything much to do with it, it's upbringing that's the problem here.

[gregorach]

I'd like to second Prawnster's request, before we get overrun by Stormfront types. An infestation of neo-nazis can be very difficult to get rid of once established.

[Waterworx]

What was going through their minds, why????

"He accepted he had stomped on the fawn's ribs because he thought it would be fun." Would it be fun if I stomped on his ribs????

Sorry, this sort of thing infuriates me!

Whats the odds they get away scott free??

[Hugo]

Bad title, interesting read.
They all need a good hiding.

[76bts]

Yes its likely these people will get away with it, and they are not kids, they are old enough to know better. The sad thing is why some people have such evil inside, I mean most people would be overwhelmed with happiness seeing a young fawn. Their parents should be slapped with a £10k fine each, oh yeah its not their fault they brought their kids up with no respect or morales.

[DavidJT]

We already had a long discussion about this and the surounding issues when it first happened. Not sure there's much left to say. Can't post alink from
my phone, but the thread was titled "disgusting".

[Adze]

What with a number of these issues, including the recent bushcraft post on the pigeon, I'm beginning to think that these things are becoming more and more common.

That's what you're supposed to think Alex. However, it's just as likely to be selective reporting - are fewer children having accidents with innappropriately stored air rifles now the media spotlight as moved on to pigeon bashing and deer stomping? Probably not.

Hopefully I'm not the only one to spot the irony of wishing harm on three teenagers who inflicted harm on something else - which is the worse crime?

[gregorach]

Are you guy's really offended by the title....something here strikes me about the "bigger picture"

No, I'm not offended by it at all. But it's kinda like leaving the top off the jam at a summer picnic... You're going to attract unwelcome visitors.

[Melonfish]

Weird nazi title aside these kids, well i dunno i mean questions should be raised about the state of our young people surely? that they can go out and do this?

[susi]

It's shocking. I used to be of the "live and let live" variety, but the older I get I seem to be changing, now I just want someone to lock these types up and throw away the key. Doubtful they're going to make any positive contribution to society, they'll just be a cost to Mr Average, first through "rehabilitation programmes", then through more jail time.

[John Fenna]

Disgusting behaviour and an equally disgusting title!
I have alerted Mods to it.

[John Fenna]

Educated you may be - but you are also gratuitously offensive!
You would be no more welcome around my campfire than the oiks in the story.

[DavidJT]

We already had a long discussion about this and the surounding issues when it first happened. Not sure there's much left to say. Can't post alink from
my phone, but the thread was titled "disgusting".

Back home now. Here's the link to the earlier lengthy discussion...

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/sho...ght=disgusting

(Better title now, thanks!)

[John Fenna]

Thank you mods for the title change.!

[moduser]

I have edited the title of this thread.

Now it means that some of the comments are out of context but that's life.

[Klenchblaize]

I fear the locksmith is on his way.

[Prawnster]

Thanks to the mods for the title change.

Alex you seem quite upset so I think it best for everyone if you and I don't keep in touch.

[Melonfish]

I fear the locksmith is on his way.

i hear his keys jangling already.

Alex... bluntly m8 the title of the thread offended people, when they said so you've gone out of your way to publicly berate them. Bad form old chap.

[Celt_Ginger]

The arguement has kind of overshadowed the point of the thread.

[Alex...]

i hear his keys jangling already.

Alex... bluntly m8 the title of the thread offended people, when they said so you've gone out of your way to publicly berate them. Bad form old chap.

You are quite right.

My apologies to anyone I may have offended. My intention was to obviously post an article that may casue a touch of controversy and as has been mentioned the title has slightly overshadowed the meaning of the post.

I was obviously a touch annoyed when I posted the original title, and have a bee in my bonnet about free speach etc.

Again apologies to all, I'll go back and delete my previous threads.

Thanks

Alex.

[locum76]

Hopefully I'm not the only one to spot the irony of wishing harm on three teenagers who inflicted harm on something else - which is the worse crime?

I agree 100%

[caliban]

I agree 100%

I disagree 100%. Inflicting harm as a punishment on cruel and vindictive people serves the purpose of allowing them to empathise with their victim and acts as a deterrent, it's totally different to mounting a gratuitous violent attack on any species of animal, human or otherwise. The attack on the fawn was proactive and pointless (not to mention nauseating and evil), beating the living daylights out of the criminals involved (by legal means) would be reactive and serve a very good purpose.

In response to the question, "which is the worse crime?", easy! Torturing a baby animal is a crime and wishing harm on the people who did it isn't a crime, so if anyone is having trouble deciding which behaviour is the "worse" they need to do a course in basic logic.

[Adze]

In response to the question, "which is the worse crime?", easy! Torturing a baby animal is a crime and wishing harm on the people who did it isn't a crime, so if anyone is having trouble deciding which behaviour is the "worse" they need to do a course in basic logic.

Perhaps 'wishing it' isn't criminal, but inflicting it in the manner described in the original post certainly would be. Far from basic logic, it would appear Locum is onto the advanced stuff already

[launditch1]

What a disgusting and sickening thing to do..All too common these days sadly.

Its the three kids i feel sorry for,mummy didnt love them enough probably.

Whats going to happen to these wonderful examples of the human race i wonder?...

[Alex...]

Perhaps 'wishing it' isn't criminal, but inflicting it in the manner described in the original post certainly would be. Far from basic logic, it would appear Locum is onto the advanced stuff already

I've been biting my tongue and removing my posts so not as to offend anyone.

BUT

I've not stated that violence should be inflicted on these pratts. If you're going to refer to my original post then do it properly. What you read in to it is your right but please do not misquote me.

I've bought from people on this site, I've also lent a lot of equipment to people, but frankly I'm rather hacked off at the response to this thread. I really do think this is an excellent site, so perhaps I should just keep my head down for a while.

[Adze]

Sorry for moaning, I know it's not a bushcrafty thing, but I wonder how many people would love to meet these gents in a dark alley and reeducate them in the rights and wrongs of society.

I'm sorry Alex - have I misunderstood this? What exactly does it mean then?

[coln18]

Adze,

With all due respect, i have just come in and obviously the original threads have been deleted, but as someone just reading what is left, it seems your comments are kind of taking the issue away from this brutal pointless killing of a innocent life. I understand you probably have a very good point mate, but because any one new to this thread cant see what you are discussing, it really is pointless and you should probably discuss this with anyone interested by pm, the rest of us dont know what your talking about... lets stick to subject guys... i cant fathom how anyone could link the killing of a fawn with nazis and jews.....

All respect

Colin

[Adze]

Colin,

The original post, first one in this thread both railed about the pointless, cruel and stupid actions of three teenagers in killing a fawn and then proceeded to, at least in appearance, display a wish by the OP to meet said teenagers 'down a dark alley' - I find it a little difficult to believe he meant to meet them to teach them the finer points of modern dance. This I found somewhat ironic, wishing a lack of cruelty in once sentence and a potential death sentence for said cruelty in the next.

Has the OP removed the first post then? I can still see it although the title, which was the original link between the nazi comments and this thread has now been changed.

Be under no illusion, I think of the actions of the teenagers in killing the fawn as deserving of our contempt, and proper punishment should be meted out for it.

However, I don't believe beating them to a pulp in a dark alley or inflicting some form of physical/corporal/capital punishment on them would be in any way helpful to the situation nor indicative of a civilized society.