Bison Belts

**leon-1** · 27-11-2007, 16:30

Here we are again,this is a buffalo hide belt fitted with a solid brass No12 buckle. The depth of the belt is about 4mm, the total length is 49 inches and its width is 1.5 inches. The belt will fit persons with a waist size from 30 to 45 inches . In the PayPal comments box state your waist size and I'll cut and punch the belt to fit. I have none available.

The description for the next one is the same for all dimensions, the only difference for this is that it is fitted with a west end buckle i also have 1 of these available.

I would like £40 per belt plus shipping. I will ship first class signed for or RMSD.

**British Red** · 27-11-2007, 16:52

They are stunning belts too - I'm wearing mine now.

My advice though is always get em a bit longer......

I'm sure I was a 28" waist last time I looked........but somehow the tape measure has shrunk

Red

**leon-1** · 27-11-2007, 17:04

Originally Posted by British Red

I'm sure I was a 28" waist last time I looked........but somehow the tape measure has shrunk

Red

Yes, I beileve that global warming maybe having an effect on tape measures globally, a bit like things shrinking in the wash. My belt still says I am 34, I have had it for 15 years and it was 3 inches too large back then, my tape measure says my waist is 38, I know which one I believe.

I think I left the middle age spread out and went more for the middle age engulf

**pothunter** · 27-11-2007, 17:16

In my case it was cheese and cake and puddings and beer......all very nice at the time.

Pothunter.

**gorilla** · 27-11-2007, 19:41

interested in either/both, but can't see the pics!

**British Red** · 27-11-2007, 19:49

Get the top one mate - its got a nicer buckle - trust me

**bushwacker bob** · 27-11-2007, 23:35

Originally Posted by British Red

I'm sure I was a 28" waist last time I looked

Red

I still am!

**pothunter** · 27-11-2007, 23:52

Hi Leon

Had a look at your site earlier I am very interested in the Keltoi moccasin can you advise price and delivery also how you go about sizing.

Pothunter.

**leon-1** · 28-11-2007, 02:14

Originally Posted by pothunter

Hi Leon

Had a look at your site earlier I am very interested in the Keltoi moccasin can you advise price and delivery also how you go about sizing.

Pothunter.

I send you a word doc that allows you to take measurements of your feet from the areas that I need to know about, from these measurements of your feet, I then make the pattern from scratch, there are no sizes involved. They are not cheap as they are totally made form scratch, but a guideline is £150 per set and I make them from the best that I can get.

Pm me and we'll speak about them.

**leon-1** · 28-11-2007, 02:16

Originally Posted by gorilla

interested in either/both, but can't see the pics!

Sorry about that, you are the second person to say that, I'll try to rectify this ASP.

**leon-1** · 28-11-2007, 10:01

Originally Posted by gorilla

interested in either/both, but can't see the pics!

Due to this I have changed the image host, hopefully that will rectify the problem

**pothunter** · 28-11-2007, 10:28

Hi Leon

Can you confirm that you have received my mail, strange happenings on screen.

Pothunter.

**leon-1** · 28-11-2007, 11:13

Originally Posted by pothunter

Hi Leon

Can you confirm that you have received my mail, strange happenings on screen.

Pothunter.

Hi mate, I have sent you a PM, when you reply can you explain "strange happenings on screen" if it is a problem with my site I would like to ensure that it is fixed, Thanks,

Leon.

First dibs on the belts with the no12 buckle go to Daimond Dave and gorilla, hopefully they can now see what we are talking about, if not guys let me know and I'll send you a picture vial e-mail.

**Diamond Dave** · 28-11-2007, 18:36

I have the pictures now Leon........many thanks....

**Diamond Dave** · 28-11-2007, 20:34

Leon

We have a go situation.........message sent.

**leon-1** · 29-11-2007, 02:08

Originally Posted by Diamond Dave

Leon

We have a go situation.........message sent.

No problems I'll get it cut and punched tomorrow / today and then polish and wax it and I'll get it out to you soonest.

**leon-1** · 19-12-2007, 16:07

Right only the belts with West End Buckles left.

**leon-1** · 11-01-2008, 14:22

Originally Posted by leon-1

Right only the belts with West End Buckles left.

Now only one of the belts with a west end buckle available.

**JimN** · 11-01-2008, 15:13

Originally Posted by leon-1

Now only one of the belts with a west end buckle available.

How did I miss this? Me please, PM sent.

**leon-1** · 12-01-2008, 14:29

Originally Posted by JimN

How did I miss this? Me please, PM sent.

You're a gent and a scholar sir, happy New Year and the belt is yours, you have a PM with postal rates.

**JimN** · 16-01-2008, 12:10

And arrived today. Excellent job, love it and just what I was after.

Many thanks

**leon-1** · 16-01-2008, 12:14

No Problems, Glad you liked it.

I am now going to lie down as I appear to have come down with an absolute stinker of a cold.

**leon-1** · 26-03-2008, 13:42

Right this is the first of three with this style buckle and loop.

The belt is as per normal Bison Hide, the fittings are solid brass and they are totally hand made. This one is punched from 36 inches to 42 inches. The belt is 1.5 inches wide and approx 3.5 - 4mm thick.

I would like £40 for the belt. Shipping will cost first class signed for £2.54 or RMSD £4.75.

If anyone has a specific size that they want PM me.

**jasons** · 26-03-2008, 18:15

thats a lot cash for a belt?

**leon-1** · 26-03-2008, 18:29

Originally Posted by jasons

thats a lot cash for a belt?

Yes, it's a lot of import duty on the hide apart from anything else mate. I am trying to think what customs class it as, but effectively they class it as an indulgence.

Most places that I can get Bison hide from the UK charge even more than it costs to import it, but I actually think it's worth it in the end. The belts are hand stitched, each line is at least double stitched 18/3 linen or tiger thread and the fittings are solid brass.

Each belt is then measured, cut punched and edged by hand. When I finish that I hand wax them. One belt can take the better part of a day. So that effectively means you are working for around £5 an hour before you take the cost of materials out of it. After that you start working for a lot less.

**jasons** · 26-03-2008, 18:50

Originally Posted by leon-1

Yes, it's a lot of import duty on the hide apart from anything else mate. I am trying to think what customs class it as, but effectively they class it as an indulgence.

Most places that I can get Bison hide from the UK charge even more than it costs to import it, but I actually think it's worth it in the end. The belts are hand stitched, each line is at least double stitched 18/3 linen or tiger thread and the fittings are solid brass.

Each belt is then measured, cut punched and edged by hand. When I finish that I hand wax them. One belt can take the better part of a day. So that effectively means you are working for around £5 an hour before you take the cost of materials out of it. After that you start working for a lot less.

I see thanks

**leon-1** · 26-03-2008, 21:29

Originally Posted by jasons

I see thanks

No problems mate, it is a relevant question.

Look at it this way, you can buy a belt which is 2mm veg tanned from one of the schools for a snap at £36. It's hand made meaning that someone has run it through a sewing machine and used a buffer on it. It is probably cut on a jig and it comes in 2 sizes.

This is approx 4mm veg tanned (having just taken a vernier to it), it is stitched by hand and you can have it cut to whatever length I have the ability to cut to, which is dependant upon the length of strap that I can procure. It is not cowhide, it is Bison and although they may not seem too far apart the hides do have a considerably different feel.

**littlebiglane** · 27-03-2008, 08:59

I can attest to the quality and durability of these belts. Its an investment that will last for decades of use. I love the buckles and the brass belt loop (which is often leather).

**Dougster** · 27-03-2008, 10:45

This seems to be coming up a lot here.

I've been asked for quotes on sheathes and then subsequently ignored. It's a similar point to the one made over the maxped rip offs.

Quality workmanship takes time and it takes pride. Things like this are built to last, the sad fact is we are not programmed any longer to appreciate this. As a nation we shop in Primark for as little as possible so we can change things again when the whim takes us. We expect to know nothing of the start of the life of the product. Sad really - I'm not pointing at you Jason at all, please don't get me wrong.

If you want to buy a bonded leather belt from the supermarket for £4 then you can, you'll buy another next year or the year after.

Buy this and the dye will still be on the makers finger, masking the blisters from the needle as he held it, every eigth of an inch will be checked to ensure it's OK to go.
Each Christmas day for the next twenty years you'll have to loosen a notch from the groove it's worn, there will a slight polish from where your knife or SAK normally sits on your hip. Then, just as you retire the leather will eventually crack from all the years of sweating as you gathered your firewood. You'll email Leon in the hope he still makes them and know that you won't wear this one out, but your grandson will wear it three irritating notches further in when you've gone.

£40 ain't a lot of money really, think how much of a sore head you'd have for the same amount.

Sorry, getting all philosophical in my old age. I'm proud that here at least we seem to value this quality and skill. It's probably the main reason I'm always watching this thread, I often have my self stopped short at the skill shown.

**leon-1** · 27-03-2008, 11:21

Originally Posted by Dougster

This seems to be coming up a lot here.

I've been asked for quotes on sheathes and then subsequently ignored. It's a similar point to the one made over the maxped rip offs.

Quality workmanship takes time and it takes pride. Things like this are built to last, the sad fact is we are not programmed any longer to appreciate this. As a nation we shop in Primark for as little as possible so we can change things again when the whim takes us. We expect to know nothing of the start of the life of the product. Sad really - I'm not pointing at you Jason at all, please don't get me wrong.

If you want to buy a bonded leather belt from the supermarket for £4 then you can, you'll buy another next year or the year after.

Buy this and the dye will still be on the makers finger, masking the blisters from the needle as he held it, every eigth of an inch will be checked to ensure it's OK to go.
Each Christmas day for the next twenty years you'll have to loosen a notch from the groove it's worn, there will a slight polish from where your knife or SAK normally sits on your hip. Then, just as you retire the leather will eventually crack from all the years of sweating as you gathered your firewood. You'll email Leon in the hope he still makes them and know that you won't wear this one out, but your grandson will wear it three irritating notches further in when you've gone.

£40 ain't a lot of money really, think how much of a sore head you'd have for the same amount.

Sorry, getting all philosophical in my old age. I'm proud that here at least we seem to value this quality and skill. It's probably the main reason I'm always watching this thread, I often have my self stopped short at the skill shown.

Thanks Rich, that's very similar in many ways to what someone else said about them, his actual comment was "I wouldn't sell them as they are a belt for life and there is no repeat custom."

Thanks for looking everyone that's the last of this batch gone.

I have a couple with west end buckles I may be able to get up for later in the week.

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