Native regalia

[Carcajou Garou]

I will try to post some information on some of the projects that I am or will be making: beading, breastplates, neck chokers etc... if it is OK

[al]

nice one , sounds interesting , cheers al :-D

[Tony]

That would be great Carcajou Garou :biggthump

[bushwacker bob]

would be appreciated if you could write a brief editorial an how you do the beading and what thread you use. :-D :-D :-D . thanks in anticipation

[Adi007]

Super stuff - I look forward to it!

[Carcajou Garou]

For the most part beading was done by the ladies, not that the men were not smart enough ops: but beading was often incorporated with the making of clothes. I have a project going on a beading loom, I will try to arrange a proper post as my computer savy son takes pictures. Beading is done with small beads called seed beeds and can be woven directly onto a piece of clothing or on a loom that is tied of and fixed to leather then transposed onto a project. Most of my work is done with larger 4mm, 6mm, 8mm glass or semi-precious beads depending on the project and what/who its for, plus bone, horn, wood hairpipes of varying lenghts; 1/2" 1", 1-1/2"... to 4-5". I also used metal beads as contrast such as copper, brass, nickle/silver. My work is bound with either deer, moose or coloured cow hide and either sinew or nylon cordage or mono filament fishing lines :shock: (whatever works and is in keeping with the theme of the project being made at the time). There are quite a few books on the subject that have information on such crafts by different peoples and they have slightly different ways of making them which is good. I will be back.
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[bigjackbrass]

Splendid, can't wait to see some details.

Does anyone recall the scene from "The Outlaw Josey Wales" where the young man who is hanging around with Wales tells how his father embroidered flowers on a shirt for him but wanted the fact kept quiet? In some cultures men did a great deal of decorative work, and it only seems to be post-Victorian times (or late Victorian and onwards) that we have developed a certain disdain for decoration and colour. Our loss, I think.

[Tony]

I will be back.
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Mate, we're still waiting

[RovingArcher]

Hey brother, looking forward to seeing your work. I've yet to pick up one of the wifes looms. I have fumbly fingers when it comes to such fine detail work and as the wifes favorite bead to work with is #11 seed bead, I have trouble even threading them onto the needle. :shock: My sweet lady sure does a good job with the beading and one of these days I'll get her to show me how to do a peyote stitch and maybe, if she has enough patience, how to string up the loom and make up a pattern.

I hope you don't mind bro, but I'd like to share a piece that was gifted to me during a wedding give-a-way.

The give-a-way is a traditional part of ceremony, where the recipient receiving the ceremony gives special gifts of food or specially made/chosen items to the people that help or are witness to the ceremony. Most times they also hold a feed to thank everyone for honoring them by coming to share in such a special occasion. This piece is a buckskin pouch that measures 5"X7" not counting the fringe. The bead pattern is a basket weave and was done by my Cherokee friend and his new wife as a joint project.

[tomtom]

i would really like to see what your working on Carcajou :wink:

[Gary]

Nice little pouch RA - I have tried beading myself several times (usually lazt squaw) and it is really intricate work. I take my hat off to anyone who does it well.

[Paganwolf]

Cant wait to see the outcome CG :biggthump ,thanks :wink: thats beautiful RA nice one thanks for the Pic :-)

[Carcajou Garou]

I can try to post a chest protector if I can put it on the computer so far haven't figured a way to even put up the avatar :roll: . I have also several "chokers" that I have made. Will try to do better..
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[Bob Hurley]

While Carcajou Garou is wrestling with his scanner, here's a couple of pieces I did this past fall.

Here's a Creek/Cherokee choker made of glass trade wampum strung on linen cord with braintan deerskin ends and ties. Note the orientation of the beads is much different from the Western bone chokers, and the choker is much more narrow.

http://www.colonial-enthusiast.com/c...oker_small.jpg

Here's a shoulder bag typical of southeastern tribes in the 18thC, it's warped with cordage and twined with naturally dyed wool yarn, finished by edging with braintanned deerskin. There are no bottom or side seams, it is all twined together as you go. The strap is fingerwoven instead of twined, using the same wool yarns. The decoration is typically Cherokee, although other tribes also used the "Uktena" square zigzag which represents a great serpent.


http://www.colonial-enthusiast.com/c...g_smallpic.jpg

[Snufkin]

Beautiful work Bob

[Carcajou Garou]

Very nice Bob :wave: , Got son to take 5 and come in to imput pictures in Campcraft gallery I think this is OK?
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[tomtom]

Carcajou Garou i just looked at your pictures.. the beads look really wonderful.. great work :biggthump

[Adi007]

Wonderful work - truly amazing! Thanks for sharing that with us!

[Bob Hurley]

Very nice Bob :wave: , Got son to take 5 and come in to imput pictures in Campcraft gallery I think this is OK?
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Very nice work, much fancier than mine! Is that the style of a particular tribe or clan? I know little of the northern tribes, I might get to learn something extra here. :-)

[Carcajou Garou]

I am Metis/Mohawk, but not from a reserve. My pieces are from my mentor/guide through dreams, later showed them to my sister at Six Nations and who really loved them as well as other elders. Even the local traditional Anishnabee find them very good. Some are very old time style and some others not shown are from "societies" in the Indian Nations. From where you are I expect there are Traditional Haudeneshaunee around, maybe they could be a better help? I also go to many POW WOW's and seek out elder's for advice.
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[RovingArcher]

Carcajou Garou, you dream some good dreams and your work is very good. Thank you for sharing.

[Bob Hurley]

I am Metis/Mohawk, but not from a reserve. My pieces are from my mentor/guide through dreams, later showed them to my sister at Six Nations and who really loved them as well as other elders. Even the local traditional Anishnabee find them very good. Some are very old time style and some others not shown are from "societies" in the Indian Nations. From where you are I expect there are Traditional Haudeneshaunee around, maybe they could be a better help? I also go to many POW WOW's and seek out elder's for advice.
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Ah, so that's why I like your work better than mine, yours is inspired!

I'm a good deal south of the Haudenosaunee, right in the middle of Cherokee country - in fact, I'm only an hour's drive from Qualla. My Dad's family is Manx/Cherokee (what a mix), but we were "raised white" so I'm digging to try to learn about my heritage. The Cherokee and other Natives I've met have been incredibly kind and helpful, I think they understand I'm sincere and not claiming to be "descended from a Cherokee princess". :-)

Note to non-Southern-Americans - there is no such thing as a Cherokee princess, but you'd be amazed how many folks around here swear their great-grandmother was one.:-P

[Carcajou Garou]

Actually the Cherokee Nation is of Iroquoian descent, at one time they had a common root tribe as well as they have a common root language and culture. That is why RA :wave: understands me so well ): I found your chocker quite well made and styled in the traditional way that I like so well plus the bag is very pleasing. I also have tried finger weaving a "ceinture fleche" a traditional wool sash worn by both aboriginals and metis as well as Voyageurs but did not have the patience at the time to keep it up I needed to weave 22' and only had 4" restarted 20 times :shock: as I kept dropping a strand here and there, so good for you and keep up you research you may find more of your Cherokee Heritage yet.
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