Oiling spoons?

[WhichDoctor]

Well I've made a couple of spoons now and am on the way to making a kuksa, the aim being to be able to eat my porridge in the morning out of a hand made bowl with a hand made spoon and a hand made mug of tea.

I've oiled my spoons with grape seed oil but my problem is that every time I use them to eat porridge it seems to strip all the oil out of them. At first I just put coats of oil on with a cloth, but when I sore it wasn't sticking I tried boiling them in oil like id seen on the kuksa making tutorial thread, but that seems to have made it worse. It ends up with the bowl of the spoon looking like it had not been oiled at-all but the handle is still fully oiled.

I wont to get this rite so that this doesn't happen with the kuksa. Can anyone help? how do you finish your spoons?

Thanks in advance.

[bilko]

Yeah, and where do you get your linseed oil from as i have 3 spoons to oil now.

[leon-b]

i just heat up some oil and drop my spoon or whatever into the hot oil, you will hear a quiet hissing noise as the hot oil gets rid of the oxygen
leon

[Dougster]

Nothing so elaborate I'm afraid - I just pour it on the spoon, on a chopping board - rub it in with my fingers and keep applying until it won't take any more.

I never use a harsh soap to clean it and do it straight away.

It's brave of you to eat porridge from it - it sticks to my normal bowls - wouldn't let it near a kuksa.

[Dougster]

Yeah, and where do you get your linseed oil from as i have 3 spoons to oil now.

I wouldn't eat from something with linseed on it!! Use olive oil or something.

For linseed oil for tool handles try axminster tools. Google it then search linseed.

[weaver]

Mineral oil is safe to eat and will never turn rancid. It is the only thing I will ever put on a spoon for finishing. I buy it at my local pharmacy but it should be available in the grocer and any big box store. In the States that would be Target, K-Mart, Walmart, etc.

[Hoodoo]

Mineral oil is safe to eat and will never turn rancid. It is the only thing I will ever put on a spoon for finishing.

Yup, I do the same.

[WhichDoctor]

Yeah, and where do you get your linseed oil from as i have 3 spoons to oil now.

well i didn't use linseed oil, i use grape seed oil and I got that from the supermarket.

i just heat up some oil and drop my spoon or whatever into the hot oil, you will hear a quiet hissing noise as the hot oil gets rid of the oxygen
leon

Thats one of the things I've tried.

Nothing so elaborate I'm afraid - I just pour it on the spoon, on a chopping board - rub it in with my fingers and keep applying until it won't take any more.
I never use a harsh soap to clean it and do it straight away.

It's brave of you to eat porridge from it - it sticks to my normal bowls - wouldn't let it near a kuksa.

I tried that method first.

I haven't used any soap washing it, just warm water, but the oil just comes strait out.

I haven't made the kuksa yet but it don't stick to the bowl if you put a teaspoon of honey in the boll first I hope it will work the same with the kuksa.

I mite try getting some mineral oil though, it mite be more durable.

Thanks for all the comments.

[jon r]

i have the same problem! i use vegetable oil or sunflower and it comes straight off!

[weaver]

Ah, it helps to go read the first post to see what the actual problem may be.

I use mineral oil, I said that already.

Now, how do I use it?

I lay my spoon in a pyrex baking dish. (Mine is about 9" x 15") Cover it with Mineral oil and pop in the oven on 350°F for 30 minutes. Check after 15 minutes to see that the oil is still covering the spoon. The heat opens the pores of the wood and allows it to soak up the oil. After 30 Minutes take it out of the pan of oil and lay it on aluminum foil to keep from dripping oil in the oven, now let it bake another 15 minutes to harden the oil. Take it out let it cool and it should last 30 years or so before it needs another treatment.

[WhichDoctor]

I lay my spoon in a pyrex baking dish. (Mine is about 9" x 15") Cover it with Mineral oil and pop in the oven on 350°F for 30 minutes. Check after 15 minutes to see that the oil is still covering the spoon. The heat opens the pores of the wood and allows it to soak up the oil. After 30 Minutes take it out of the pan of oil and lay it on aluminum foil to keep from dripping oil in the oven, now let it bake another 15 minutes to harden the oil. Take it out let it cool and it should last 30 years or so before it needs another treatment.

Are ha, I've never herd of baking it after you've boiled it, that sounds like it mite work. Ill have a go tonight, thanks .

[jon r]

i think 30 years out of a spoon is reasonable!

[weaver]

i think 30 years out of a spoon is reasonable!

I have some that old, doing just fine thank you!

[nickg]

Try using tung oil its great

Nick

[bilko]

Boots informed me today that nowhere can get any mineral oil.
Superdrug looked at me funny and sort of waved me off.
Tesc sells olive or nut.
Holland and Barret wanted £10 for linseed oil and they also do flax oil, are any of those 2 any good?

[weaver]

£10 for linseed oil? How many gallons is that?

Mineral oil, there must be a different name for it there. It is a very clear thin oil used for a laxative and other medical uses. Sorry, can't help more than that. All of the vegetable oils will go rancid after a time.

Walnut oil is the only other thing that I would might try.

[bilko]

Thanks Weaver.
Any idea of the flashpoint of mineral oil if i'm going to boil my spoon in it?
Don't want to burn the place down.
Tesco do walnut oil but again this is a condiment bottle for a few quid at least and for the volume required not worth it.

[weaver]

MSDS Number: M7700 * * * * * Effective Date: 08/18/05 * * * * * Supercedes: 08/10/04


MINERAL OIL

1. Product Identification

Synonyms: Paraffin oil; liquid petrolatum; White Mineral Oil; Nujol
CAS No.: 8012-95-1
Molecular Weight: Not applicable.
Chemical Formula: Not applicable.
Product Codes:
J.T. Baker: 2705
Mallinckrodt: 6357, 6358
2. Composition/Information on Ingredients


Ingredient CAS No Percent Hazardous
--------------------------------------- ------------ ------------ ---------

Oil, Mineral 8012-95-1 90 - 100% Yes

3. Hazards Identification

Emergency Overview
--------------------------
WARNING! HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. COMBUSTIBLE LIQUID AND VAPOR.

SAF-T-DATA(tm) Ratings (Provided here for your convenience)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Health Rating: 2 - Moderate
Flammability Rating: 1 - Slight
Reactivity Rating: 0 - None
Contact Rating: 2 - Moderate
Lab Protective Equip: GOGGLES; LAB COAT; VENT HOOD; PROPER GLOVES
Storage Color Code: Green (General Storage)
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Potential Health Effects
----------------------------------

Inhalation:
Causes irritation to the respiratory tract. Symptoms may include coughing, shortness of breath. Inhalation of mist or vapor may produce aspiration pneumonia.
Ingestion:
Material is a cathartic and can cause serious diarrhea. Nausea and vomiting may also occur and possibly abdominal cramping. Aspiration of mineral oil into the lungs can cause chemical pneumonia.
Skin Contact:
Prolonged contact may cause irritation; occasionally dermatitis due to hypersensitivity occurs.
Eye Contact:
Mists or fumes can irritate the eyes. Can cause discomfort similar to motor oil.
Chronic Exposure:
Prolonged or repeated skin exposure may cause dermatitis. Highly refined mineral oils are not classified as human carcinogens. However, related forms (untreated and mildly-treated oils) are listed as human carcinogens by both NTP and IARC.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Persons with pre-existing skin disorders or impaired respiratory function may be more susceptible to the effects of the substance.
4. First Aid Measures

Inhalation:
Remove to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get medical attention.
Ingestion:
If swallowed, DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. Give large quantities of water. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical attention immediately. Aspiration hazard.
Skin Contact:
Immediately flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes. Remove contaminated clothing and shoes. Get medical attention. Wash clothing before reuse. Thoroughly clean shoes before reuse.
Eye Contact:
Immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, lifting lower and upper eyelids occasionally. Get medical attention immediately.
5. Fire Fighting Measures

Fire:
Flash point: 135C (275F) CC
Autoignition temperature: 260 - 370C (500 - 698F)
Combustible Liquid and Vapor!
Explosion:
Not considered to be an explosion hazard.
Fire Extinguishing Media:
Water spray, dry chemical, alcohol foam, or carbon dioxide. Water or foam may cause frothing. Do not allow water runoff to enter sewers or waterways.
Special Information:
In the event of a fire, wear full protective clothing and NIOSH-approved self-contained breathing apparatus with full facepiece operated in the pressure demand or other positive pressure mode.
6. Accidental Release Measures

Ventilate area of leak or spill. Remove all sources of ignition. Wear appropriate personal protective equipment as specified in Section 8. Isolate hazard area. Keep unnecessary and unprotected personnel from entering. Contain and recover liquid when possible. Use non-sparking tools and equipment. Collect liquid in an appropriate container or absorb with an inert material (e. g., vermiculite, dry sand, earth), and place in a chemical waste container. Do not use combustible materials, such as saw dust. Do not flush to sewer!


7. Handling and Storage

Keep in a tightly closed container. Store in a cool, dry, ventilated area away from sources of heat or ignition. Protect against physical damage. Store separately from reactive or combustible materials, and out of direct sunlight. Containers of this material may be hazardous when empty since they retain product residues (vapors, liquid); observe all warnings and precautions listed for the product.
8. Exposure Controls/Personal Protection

Airborne Exposure Limits:
For Mineral Oil; Misted1:
-OSHA Permissible Exposure Limit (PEL): 5 mg/m3
-ACGIH Threshold Limit Value (TLV):
5 mg/m3 (TWA) 10 mg/m3 (STEL)
(1as sampled by method that does not collect vapor)

( 1Refers to airborne mist of mineral oil)
Ventilation System:
A system of local and/or general exhaust is recommended to keep employee exposures below the Airborne Exposure Limits. Local exhaust ventilation is generally preferred because it can control the emissions of the contaminant at its source, preventing dispersion of it into the general work area. Please refer to the ACGIH document, Industrial Ventilation, A Manual of Recommended Practices, most recent edition, for details.
Personal Respirators (NIOSH Approved):
If the exposure limit is exceeded and engineering controls are not feasible, a half facepiece particulate respirator (NIOSH type P95 or R95 filters) may be worn for up to ten times the exposure limit or the maximum use concentration specified by the appropriate regulatory agency or respirator supplier, whichever is lowest.. A full-face piece particulate respirator (NIOSH type P100 or R100 filters) may be worn up to 50 times the exposure limit, or the maximum use concentration specified by the appropriate regulatory agency, or respirator supplier, whichever is lowest. Please note that N filters are not recommended for this material. For emergencies or instances where the exposure levels are not known, use a full-facepiece positive-pressure, air-supplied respirator. WARNING: Air-purifying respirators do not protect workers in oxygen-deficient atmospheres.
Skin Protection:
Wear impervious protective clothing, including boots, gloves, lab coat, apron or coveralls, as appropriate, to prevent skin contact.
Eye Protection:
Use chemical safety goggles and/or a full face shield where splashing is possible. Maintain eye wash fountain and quick-drench facilities in work area.
9. Physical and Chemical Properties

Appearance:
Clear oily liquid.
Odor:
Odorless.
Solubility:
Insoluble in water.
Specific Gravity:
Heavy: 0.845 to 0.905 Light: 0.818 to 0.880
pH:
No information found.
% Volatiles by volume @ 21C (70F):
0
Boiling Point:
260 - 330C (500 - 626F)
Melting Point:
No information found.
Vapor Density (Air=1):
ca. 9
Vapor Pressure (mm Hg):
< 0.5
Evaporation Rate (BuAc=1):
No information found.
10. Stability and Reactivity

Stability:
Stable under ordinary conditions of use and storage. May solidify at room temperature.
Hazardous Decomposition Products:
Carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide may form when heated to decomposition.
Hazardous Polymerization:
Will not occur.
Incompatibilities:
Strong oxidizers.
Conditions to Avoid:
Heat, flames, ignition sources and incompatibles.
11. Toxicological Information


Irritation Data, rabbit (Std Draize): skin= 100 mg/24H, mild; eye= 500 mg, moderate. Investigated as a tumorigen. Oral rat LD50: 22 gm/kg
--------\Cancer Lists\------------------------------------------------------
---NTP Carcinogen---
Ingredient Known Anticipated IARC Category
------------------------------------ ----- ----------- -------------
Oil, Mineral (8012-95-1) No No None
12. Ecological Information

Environmental Fate:
No information found.
Environmental Toxicity:
No information found.
13. Disposal Considerations

Whatever cannot be saved for recovery or recycling should be managed in an appropriate and approved waste disposal facility. Processing, use or contamination of this product may change the waste management options. State and local disposal regulations may differ from federal disposal regulations. Dispose of container and unused contents in accordance with federal, state and local requirements.
14. Transport Information

Not regulated.
15. Regulatory Information

--------\Chemical Inventory Status - Part 1\---------------------------------
Ingredient TSCA EC Japan Australia
----------------------------------------------- ---- --- ----- ---------
Oil, Mineral (8012-95-1) Yes Yes No Yes

--------\Chemical Inventory Status - Part 2\---------------------------------
--Canada--
Ingredient Korea DSL NDSL Phil.
----------------------------------------------- ----- --- ---- -----
Oil, Mineral (8012-95-1) Yes Yes No Yes

--------\Federal, State & International Regulations - Part 1\----------------
-SARA 302- ------SARA 313------
Ingredient RQ TPQ List Chemical Catg.
----------------------------------------- --- ----- ---- --------------
Oil, Mineral (8012-95-1) No No No No

--------\Federal, State & International Regulations - Part 2\----------------
-RCRA- -TSCA-
Ingredient CERCLA 261.33 8(d)
----------------------------------------- ------ ------ ------
Oil, Mineral (8012-95-1) No No No


Chemical Weapons Convention: No TSCA 12(b): No CDTA: No
SARA 311/312: Acute: Yes Chronic: No Fire: Yes Pressure: No
Reactivity: No (Pure / Liquid)


Australian Hazchem Code: None allocated.
Poison Schedule: S5
WHMIS:
This MSDS has been prepared according to the hazard criteria of the Controlled Products Regulations (CPR) and the MSDS contains all of the information required by the CPR.
16. Other Information

NFPA Ratings: Health: 0 Flammability: 1 Reactivity: 0
Label Hazard Warning:
WARNING! HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. COMBUSTIBLE LIQUID AND VAPOR.
Label Precautions:
Avoid breathing mist.
Keep container closed.
Use only with adequate ventilation.
Avoid contact with eyes, skin and clothing.
Wash thoroughly after handling.
Keep away from heat, sparks and flame.
Label First Aid:
If swallowed, DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. Give large quantities of water. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical attention immediately. In case of contact, immediately flush eyes or skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes. Remove contaminated clothing and shoes. Wash clothing before reuse. If inhaled, remove to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. In all cases, get medical attention.
Product Use:
Laboratory Reagent.
Revision Information:
MSDS Section(s) changed since last revision of document include: 3, 11.
Disclaimer:
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Mallinckrodt Baker, Inc. provides the information contained herein in good faith but makes no representation as to its comprehensiveness or accuracy. This document is intended only as a guide to the appropriate precautionary handling of the material by a properly trained person using this product. Individuals receiving the information must exercise their independent judgment in determining its appropriateness for a particular purpose. MALLINCKRODT BAKER, INC. MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE WITH RESPECT TO THE INFORMATION SET FORTH HEREIN OR THE PRODUCT TO WHICH THE INFORMATION REFERS. ACCORDINGLY, MALLINCKRODT BAKER, INC. WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGES RESULTING FROM USE OF OR RELIANCE UPON THIS INFORMATION.
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Prepared by: Environmental Health & Safety
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[WhichDoctor]

*sigh*, But I still don't know the pH, Melting Point or even the Evaporation Rate, talk about in-comprehensive .

That really is extraordinary, so I've got to use a full face respirator with oxygen feed when im boiling my spoons in it then .

Grate find though .

[weaver]

That really is extraordinary, so I've got to use a full face respirator with oxygen feed when im boiling my spoons in it then .

I think that is just for full time industrial exposure, Wouldn't hurt to have good ventilation though.

I can usually find anything you want to know.

[nickg]

[QUOTE=WhichDoctorThat really is extraordinary, so I've got to use a full face respirator with oxygen feed when im boiling my spoons in it then .[/QUOTE]

Oh hell mate - just wipe on 4-5 coats of tung oil - get it from b&q etc, its last a long while, penetrates, air drys, its tasteless and food safe - save the price of a respirator etc for a decent weekend in the green. seriously

Nick

[weaver]

Pure Tung Oil I will go along with.

The problem is Pure Tung Oil is not common and many manufacturers sell varnish thinned with Naptha or Mineral spirits and call it Tung Oil.




Brand Name: XXX Tung Oil Finish
Form: liquid
Product Category: Home maintenance >> Finish >> tung oil
Home maintenance >> Wood >> finish, tung oil
Date Entered: 1997-05-01
Related Items: Products with similar usage in this database



Health Effects
The following information (Health Effects, Handling/Disposal, and Ingredients) is taken from the product label and/or the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) prepared by the manufacturer. The National Library of Medicine does not evaluate information from the product label or the Material Safety Data Sheet.
Warning from
Product Label: Danger: Keep out of reach of children. Contains mineral spirits. Harmful or fatal if swallowed. Do not take internally. Eye and skin irritant. Avoid contact with eyes and skin. Wear safety glasses and rubber gloves when handling. Vapor may be harmful, use only with adequate ventilation. If adequate ventilation cannot be maintained, wear respiratory protection (NIOSH/MSAH TC 23C or equivalent) or leave area. Do not use or store near heat, sparks, flame or other sources of ignition. Close container after each use. First Aid: If swallowed, do not induce vomiting. If contact with skin, wash thoroughly with soap and water. If inhaled, remove to fresh air, call a physician immediately.
Acute Health Effects: From MSDS
Inhalation: Can cause nasal and respiratory irritation, dizziness, fatigue, nausea, headache, nervous irritability, unconsciousness and asphyxiation.

Eye Contact: Can cause severe irritation, redness, tearing or blurred vision.

Skin Contact: Can cause defatting and drying of the skin, which may result in skin irritation and dermatitis.

Ingestion: Can cause gastrointestinal irritation, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.

Medical Conditions Generally Aggravated by Exposure: None listed.
Chronic Health Effects: MSDS provides no information about chronic health effects resulting from prolonged or frequent use of this product.
Carcinogenicity: MSDS: The ingredients in this product are not identified as carcinogens by NTP, IARC and OSHA.
Health Rating: 2
Flammability Rating: 2
Reactivity Rating: 0
HMIS Rating Scale: 0 = Minimal; 1 = Slight; 2 = Moderate; 3 = Serious; 4 = Severe;
N = No information provided by manufacturer; * = Chronic Health Hazard
MSDS Date: 1995-08-26

[Dougster]

Ah, it helps to go read the first post to see what the actual problem may be.

I use mineral oil, I said that already.

Now, how do I use it?

I lay my spoon in a pyrex baking dish. (Mine is about 9" x 15") Cover it with Mineral oil and pop in the oven on 350°F for 30 minutes. Check after 15 minutes to see that the oil is still covering the spoon. The heat opens the pores of the wood and allows it to soak up the oil. After 30 Minutes take it out of the pan of oil and lay it on aluminum foil to keep from dripping oil in the oven, now let it bake another 15 minutes to harden the oil. Take it out let it cool and it should last 30 years or so before it needs another treatment.

Did this last night with veg oil - spoons all very dark and sticky!!!

[John Fenna]

Personally I just wipe down wooden spoons/bowls etc (after licking them clean or even washing them) with a little of the cooking oil (olive if I am flush) that was in the meal I just prepared and ate. OK it only lasts until I eat from the wood again but then how long does it need to last. Never poisoned myself or had the oil go rancid yet.

[weaver]

Did this last night with veg oil - spoons all very dark and sticky!!!

Won't do well with vegetable oil. Gets all dark and sticky!

That's why I use Mineral Oil.

[Dougster]

Won't do well with vegetable oil. Gets all dark and sticky!

That's why I use Mineral Oil.

No need to get grumpy - just warning others!

[weaver]

Sorry!

Didn't think I was being grumpy, just having fun. If you scrape off the gunk it should be fine.

[Dougster]

Sorry, banging head gave wrong impression - sanded gently and just a faint burning smell left - otherwise all well - if a little dark! Brings out the grain well.

Shame mineral oil unavailable over here.

[bent-stick]

Sorry, banging head gave wrong impression - sanded gently and just a faint burning smell left - otherwise all well - if a little dark! Brings out the grain well.

Shame mineral oil unavailable over here.

Is this the stuff that's available from the pharmacy as liqud parafin?

Definitely not poisonous, my granny used to have a good swig every night to 'keep her regular'

[Chance]

Deep-frying beech in (olive) oil gives it a lovely aged colour. A quick rub seems to brings the finish back after use.