Fallkniven whetstones on Woodlore

[MartiniDave]

A quick heads up folks.

I just noticed that Woodlore are now stocking 2 sizes of Fallkniven combination diamond/ceramic whetstones. I've never used these, but knowing Fallknivens reputation I imagine they are good kit.

Dave

[Adi007]

www.heinnie.com sell the exact same thing ... only cheaper!

[MartiniDave]

Good call Adi. Thanks.

Dave

[bushblade]

I recently bought both the DC3 and DC4 from Heinnie, they are very good quality. I was previously using a spyderco double stuff and fine diamond plate in the field. I would say the ceramic side is about the same grit as the spyderco medium ceramic.
Good bit of kit.

[Adi007]

I recently bought both the DC3 and DC4 from Heinnie, they are very good quality. I was previously using a spyderco double stuff and fine diamond plate in the field. I would say the ceramic side is about the same grit as the spyderco medium ceramic.
Good bit of kit.

What do you think of the diamond side? I've only used the DMT stuff that has the holes in it but the DC 3 and 4 seems like it has a solid sheet.

[familne]

On a similar/not so similar thread, Amazon are now selling the Laplander saw for £17.97
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...064492-6891013

[Adi007]

Whopping price difference there! Cheers!

[bushblade]

What do you think of the diamond side? I've only used the DMT stuff that has the holes in it but the DC 3 and 4 seems like it has a solid sheet.

Hi Adi

I've not used the DMT stones so couldn't compare realy. I do own 2 Eze lap large diamond plates and would have to say that the Fallkniven is about the same as a medium grit eze lap (which is actualy pretty fine). I have heard that DMT stones are considerably more coarse than Eze Lap. If I had to guess I would say the Fallkniven diamond is about a 400 grit.

As you probably know coarse, medium, fine and ultra fine grits vary between different brands. One companys medium is anothers fine.

A good addition to the DC4 would be a fine or ultra fine spyderco ceramic.
If memory serves, you already own a fine spyderco pocket stone, so I suggest you get yourself a DC4 ASAP. :biggthump

[JakeR]

Will the fallkniven give me a razor edge? I find wetstones difficult. I just ordered the fallkniven off hiennie.

[Stuart]

yes they will, They are smaller than you might think and so can be difficult to use at first but the ceramic side with puts a razor edge on my wolverine and the edge on that is RW62

dont forget you can use the leather case to strop

[boaty]

dont forget you can use the leather case to strop

Do you find much benefit in stropping your wolverine? I don't notice a difference between stropping and not stropping mine. I finish with a 6000 grit wetstone, and I've slightly convexed the edge

With other knives I find a big difference, but the wolverine gets super scary sharp from the waterstone and doesn't seem to care one way or other about the strop

[Stuart]

I dont think stropping makes a difference to how sharp the wolverine gets, but I think it stays sharper for longer when it has been stropped

[Gary]

The only down side of diamond stones is that they take off more metal than is necessary and as such this will wear away the blade sooner - of course in this time frame were talking years so if you dont mind that they are fine.

Stropping is important to any blade - stropping does two things firstly it removes the wire or burr created during sharpening. this ensures the edge isnt damaged when carving ect. Secondly it sets the edge correctly and as Stuart pointed out this ensures the longevity of the edge.

[familne]

I'd second the importance of stropping, you can get a knife sharp with your stones but IMHO you can only get a smooth, razor edge after a good strop with stropping paste. I probably spend more time doing this than actually sharpening.

[Gary]

Interestingly enough Mors Kochanski recommends that if you use 10 strokes of a course stone to sharpen your knife use should use 30 of the medium, 90 of the fine and something like 270 on the strop.

It works in multiples of three.

[boaty]

I absolutely agree with the importance of stropping blades - all you say about burr removal, edge refinement and longevity apply to all my knives except my wolverine!

It doesn't seem to form a burr, even under 10X magnification (I know, I should spend more time outside and less time peering at my knives!!), and the edge lasts and lasts and lasts... :?:

But that's OK - I get to spend more time whittling, less time stropping so I'm happy!!

[JakeR]

Thats the most important thing!

[Adi007]

The only down side of diamond stones is that they take off more metal than is necessary and as such this will wear away the blade sooner

Diamond removes metal very aggressively - which is why I tend to use them wet (even if it is just spit) as it takes the edge off the diamond (so to speak!)

[JakeR]

We had an oil stone that i remember getting a while ago but not thinking about it. I found it the other day and tried to sharpen my WS micarta. It just left great scratches on the bevel and an incredably dull edge. There are two sides to it. A dark and a light. But i can not work it out which is finer. They are both super coarse!

Is the ceramic fine?

[Adi007]

Is the ceramic fine?

Depends on the ceramic s to exact grit but the darker ceramic is the medium grit and the white is the fine.

[Stuart]

Gary said

The only down side of diamond stones is that they take off more metal than is necessary and as such this will wear away the blade sooner

Garys right about the dimond stone removing metal very fast, but it is very good as a course stone for blades such as the wolverine that have a very hard edge

I wouldnt use a dimond stone for finnishing the edge though

this is why i like the DC4 so much its dimond on one side (which takes the time out of sharpening a RW62 blade) and a fine ceramic on the other that hones the edge nicly

[JakeR]

Whats the difference between the DC3 and DC4? i'm assuming its size and are about to make myself look like a fool. ops:
:-D
Cheers,

Jake

[Adi007]

Seems to be only the size ...

[JakeR]

Have you both been promoted?

[Adi007]

Nah ... promoted a long time ago - but only now got the rank slide!!!

[JakeR]