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    I reckon that taking a position which may or may not be your own, but which you are espousing because you want to generate a reaction, response or debate fits the definition of trolling. Especially if the position was chosen more for reaction than because it fits your belief.

    You can claim you are doing it for the common good, to encourage healthy debate, but a person's motives are rarely so clear for others to see and there may be little to differentiate your posts in the eyes of others from those of a muck raking waste oriffice just looking to make trouble.

    If if everyone is in on the game, and knows that you are playing devils advocate, that it is just a debate, then fair enough. However, when the other people don't know you are playing games and are themselves defending positions which they may care deeply about, there is a very strong probability that you are going to really wind folk up and come away having made enemies. Speaking here from personal experience with someone I used to work with. I doubt he meant to make me an enemy for life, but he did. The danger of playing devils advocate when other people don't know it's a game.
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    Being lost is a state of mind, not a state of place.

    You can spend time, and you can spend money. Sometimes you can end up spending both, but you will never get anywhere without committing to spending at least one or the other....Sometimes money is cheaper than time.

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    Good points!

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_Claycomb View Post
    You are welcome to ignore this reference and my logic.

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/troll

    saying "don't feed trolls" is simply an extension of people having misinterpreted the original meaning of the word. Consider what the person "trolling" an Internet forum does, they cruise around dropping provocative or enticing comments in order to bait a rise out of someone. One would do better to say that one should not rise to the bait, that the person is obviously trolling for reactions.

    none of the descriptions of trolls relating to ugly cave dwellers bears much relation to what people do on the Internet, posting rubbish to annoy and provoke others.

    the problem with urban dictionary definitions is that they describe how words are (miss)used today, they have no interest in whether, why or how those words have been twisted over time. They are good for decoding what is meant today, but that's about it.


    Dont mind me, i was just trolling

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    I know...question is, was I?
    Chris

    Being lost is a state of mind, not a state of place.

    You can spend time, and you can spend money. Sometimes you can end up spending both, but you will never get anywhere without committing to spending at least one or the other....Sometimes money is cheaper than time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_Claycomb View Post
    I know...question is, was I?
    No, I don't believe you were Chris.

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    To be sure, there are suicides in various professions. Suicide in and of itself doesn't make a person "weak." My reference to a succeedingly weaker generations was about their looking for something to blame their troubles on rather than accepting personal responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by santaman2000 View Post
    To be sure, there are suicides in various professions. Suicide in and of itself doesn't make a person "weak." My reference to a succeedingly weaker generations was about their looking for something to blame their troubles on rather than accepting personal responsibility.
    Blaming the society, school, parents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janne View Post
    Blaming the society, school, parents?
    Exactly. Whatever excuse is at hand.

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    Very Swedish to do that.
    Research has indicated that since the compulsory service was virtually abolished a couple of decades ago, the young men have increased problems in work, homelife and generally in society.

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    Here is one for you guys.



    If a dog was badly behaved, I don't think you guys would blame the dog. I think you would blame the person who looked after it for not training it, for not disciplining it, for not socialising it and teaching it was was acceptable.

    Each generation is the product of that which went before. If the youngsters today are any less capable than previous generations, it is the fault of those earlier generations, the society they built and the lessons they imparted. Changes in society have accelerated over the last 120 years and the opportunities, resources and skills that were available and supported my generation are not available for the youngsters today, not even a full generation later. There are other opportunities, certainly, but it is much harder to look back, at say what your parents did, and know that you can use that as a model for your life now.

    While I agree that not taking responsibility and just pointing blame around is weak, that does not mean that at least part of that blame isn't justified.
    Chris

    Being lost is a state of mind, not a state of place.

    You can spend time, and you can spend money. Sometimes you can end up spending both, but you will never get anywhere without committing to spending at least one or the other....Sometimes money is cheaper than time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_Claycomb View Post
    Here is one for you guys.



    If a dog was badly behaved, I don't think you guys would blame the dog. I think you would blame the person who looked after it for not training it, for not disciplining it, for not socialising it and teaching it was was acceptable.

    Each generation is the product of that which went before. If the youngsters today are any less capable than previous generations, it is the fault of those earlier generations, the society they built and the lessons they imparted. Changes in society have accelerated over the last 120 years and the opportunities, resources and skills that were available and supported my generation are not available for the youngsters today, not even a full generation later. There are other opportunities, certainly, but it is much harder to look back, at say what your parents did, and know that you can use that as a model for your life now.

    While I agree that not taking responsibility and just pointing blame around is weak, that does not mean that at least part of that blame isn't justified.
    Absolutely agree. And as such, I take full responsibility for my faults raising my kids. I spoiled them waaaaay too much.

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    Yes. I blame my parents for not spoiling me.

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