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    Hi, ive tried looking through threads but cant find the specific answer im looking for, so here goes, first thread/post.

    Having only used 'work' trousers with long johns in the winter, im looking to see whether its worth actually getting a pair of Fjallraven/or other expensive outdoor trousers.
    I fish, camp and go general hill treks.

    Question-1 Can anyone tell me, other than the stretchy bit, are Fjallraven and the likes really that much better (in winter) than a pair of poly/cotton work trousers?

    Question-2 What do you guys wear in winter in terms of leg wear?

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    What works for one might not work for all ~ and if a solution suits 99% there'll be a surprising number of folk who find themselves in the 1%


    Just use what you're happy using and if polycotton with longjohns work well for you, why mess with a system? That said, there's nothing wrong with having a good play with the available options


    Personally my main camping/outdoor playtime trews are:


    • Craghoppers (both summer and lined winter weight ~ polycotton)
    • Heavier polycotton trews (will wear longjohns if temperature drops enough)
    • Swede Army M39/58 wool trews (for when it's cold AND dry ... light weight longjohns can make for a far less itch experience )
    • Heavy cotton canvas trews (for when circumstances demand ~ get them wet and they can almost stand on their own )



    I have others, but that lists my go to gear
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    I use a pair of site brand work trousers from screwfix most times when im outdoors hiking but craighoppers and the like are good also. I wouldn't spend too much on a pair of trousers tbh, if a cheaper pair rips or tears just sew or replace them.

    The old green issued lightweights were also good for a bit of hiking etc if you can find them cheap enough.

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    I recently bought a pair of Fjallraven trousers and took them to the lake district. Fantastic things. Are they worth the money compared to other products? wouldn't have a clue

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    thanks for the helpful info👍
    i guess it really is what you feel comfy with. I think also, with leg wear, it's so important to get good long johns.
    I actually spend more on a pair of long johns than trousers!

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    Aye Up Dante10,

    'Is it worth getting a pair of Fjallraven/or other expensive outdoor trousers?'

    That all depends on exactly what you do with them and what you expect from them.

    I use my kit three or more days per week, year round, all weathers and it gets hammered!

    I have been using FJ Barents trousers (G1000 material) as my 'green season' outers for the best part of 10 years now (I've got 3 pairs).
    They are lightweight; well constructed; comfortable; fast drying; reasonably robust; quiet and great colours for my purpose.
    I walked across a field of wet, knee high grass yesterday and from knee to ankle they became saturated in minutes despite having been triple waxed.
    I put up with that because of all the pros mentioned.
    They are ridiculously expensive (now over £100!) but all three pairs are still in service after all those years albeit with various minor repairs.
    FJ Barents.jpg

    Over that same period I have also been using the Austrian military surplus KA03 ripstop, polycotton field trousers as my brown season option.
    These have been priced at between £25 - £35 dependent on grade but I have also purchased a brand new pair from a shop in Austria for closer to £50.
    These are slightly heavier than the FJs, (still what I would class as lightweight) and don't dry out as quickly but they are very, very robust.
    KA03.jpg

    In both FJ and BH instances I have modified the trousers to varying degrees - increased the waist height on the FJs; added a waterproof/breathable lower leg section and seat to the BHs and behind-the-knee pockets to both versions for the insertion of pieces of German army surplus ground insulation matting as knee pad/protectors. It is surprising how frequently you 'take a knee' during bushcraft activities. Notably the latest FJ Barents trousers now have those behind-the-knee pockets as standard.

    In the past I have used the Craghopper Kiwis (issued with about a dozen pairs over 10 years) and they were initially very good trousers with similar qualities to the FJs, perhaps slightly less robust (and a third of the price!) but I found that the material and construction quality bombed mid 00s.

    HMQ also 'gave' me several sets of the British Army lightweights way back and they too are a very good trouser (and relatively cheap even when new!), for me though the colour just isn't quite right for year round use and yet I don't feel the same with the Austrian KA03 trousers which I think are less quickly recognised as (ex) military clothing.

    Re under garments - I always wear a base layer - top AND 'leggings'- winter it's Helikon Level 2; summer it's the lighter weight Helikon Level 1. That is as much about counter-tick protection as warmth/perspiration transfer.

    It is probably also worth mentioning that it is wise to choose a trouser size 'with a bit of room' to allow for comfort; base-layer wear AND activities - I have often seen cat-walk fit clothing literally burst at the seams as soon as the wearer lifted/climbed/knelt/squatted

    To summarise, I could use the KA03s year round, save a lot of brass and they would be fine - but I do like the FJs.

    It is worth doing some 'active' research and maybe buying a cheaper pair as someone has already suggested before going the expensive route.
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    I've been a diehard 5.11 taclite fan for years, very good trousers. As I've had a couple of wet weather camps and got soggy knees and ****, I thought I'd try a pair of Ridgeline Rangers. Very light, allow lots of movement, only disadvantage is too small hand pockets. But being used to 5.11, I've been spoilt for pockets.

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    I've got a pair of Barents, nice, and I do like to wear them, I have to admit I don't rate them as hard wearing though.

    I am tough on clothing, what I wear for bushy buisness is the same as my everyday wear. Most days I can be found in polycotton U.S. BDU's or ACU's made by Propper, they have survived my rigorous testing for 7+ years and are still wearable Both versions have large bellows thigh pockets, amazing how much you can get in them if needed.

    Summer months, when the weather's more kind, I opt for cotton ripstop BDU's. Not as long lasting as the polycotton version but not bad at all.
    I have looked at some of the modern workwear trousers and for me I think they'd out last the Fjallravens.
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    Aye Up,

    I've just had a mail re a 25% sale on FJ clothing at the Bushcraft Store. Might be worth a look.
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    I mostly walk now, but find ripstop poly/cotton 5.11 TDU's with the elasticated waist very comfortable, long lasting and well made. I add brass poppers to the cargo pockets as bending down sometimes open the velcro. You can get them for around £40 a pair, which is a fair price i think.
    pockets are great, hardwearing, deep and cargos have separating pockets inside. you can also get 100% cotton twill versions in limited colours and are definitely softer and more comfortable for leisure, travel, indoor stuff.

    http://www.511tactical.com/tdu-pants-ripstop.html

    I had a pair of FJ G1000 and sold them because they were too nice/expensive to wreck and to be honest 2 pairs of TDU's against one pair of fjallraven didnt add up for me.

    underwear is normally a pair of nike running shorts or if its cold I wear ron hill tracksters. I also have a pair of woolpower 200G long johns for really cold, although we dont seem to get that as much now.

    instead of layering underneath, I find a pair of cheap DPM British army Goretex over trousers pretty warm and obviously some windproofing/ waterproofing. they also roll up to next to nothing.

    Also check where your Fjallraven are made, they are mostly made in china apart from some really expensive jackets. Thats fine but do they deserve that premium price?

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    Last edited by lostplanet; 12-08-2017 at 14:00.
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