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    Hi I can't for the life of me figure out what this second measurement is for on these axe handles. I presume it's eye size but I just want to check before I order (I'm new to all this alright?).
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    I have no idea - unless it is the size of the face (length of the cutting edge) ... for example the GFB SFA has a 19" handle and a 3 1/4" face... the values seem right...
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    Could it be the length of the slot cut in the top? For different lengths of axe head

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    Could be eye size. The best advice i can give is forget amazon and search for smedbergs hafts


    Heres where i go


    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...HA3R9iAPUE1XvA
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunndog View Post
    Could be eye size. The best advice i can give is forget amazon and search for smedbergs hafts


    Heres where i go


    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...HA3R9iAPUE1XvA
    They don't have a full size 36 inch handle for large felling axes.

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    Bugger, smedbergs is still worth a search though imo

    Or if you have a large agricultural merchant near you?
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    Yeah it's a pain I've got a bit of nice white ash laying around the shed I'll see if I can't make something out of that

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    Is it just a badly formatted way of writing the size as length of handle x width of eye (long axis of oval)

    So...

    Thirty inch by two and a half inch
    Thirty six inch by two and three quarter inch
    Thirty six inch by three inch
    Thirty six inch by three and a half inch

    etc. ?
    ...are you sure I only need 1 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janne View Post
    Is UK not Metric yet?

    The old system is so illogical, that nobody knows off hand how many Inches goes into a Yard, how many Inches (or Yards) into a Mile.....

    I certainly know those things, and many of my aquaintance do as well. I can perfectly well visualise, accurately, dimensions in either imperial or metric or a mixture of both. It's been a constant source of wonder to me that so many folk have problems with it all; I think it's a mindset thing.

    The old system was never illogical, just different, same as our old monetary system. One of those wonderfully quirky things about being a native of these blessed islands!
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    Like Macaroon says: you just learn to be bilingual, moving back and forth between 2 frames of reference and measurement.
    I tell ya, it's a nightmare working on a car which is a mix of Imperial and Metric! Then the wrench socket sets get mixed up. . . . . . . .
    What I like the very best is that many of the units in the SI Metric system are named for people, not abstract terms in a single language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robson Valley View Post
    What I like the very best is that many of the units in the SI Metric system are named for people, not abstract terms in a single language.
    Really, which ones?

    Not heard this before, have i just fallen for a joke lol)
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    Celsius, Curie, Hertz, Joule, Volt (Volta), Amp (Ampere), Farad (Faraday), even Angstrom but he got dumped as that's 10^-10m which didn't fit the orders of magnitude scaling.
    Too bad as Angstrom was a very convenient length in electron microscopy. Many, many other named units, it's a long list and I never needed much of it..

    Fahrenheit got tossed as he had some strange set up of salt and ice to define his zero (?freezing point depression?) and boiling point elevation. I've long since forgotten.
    Celsius, on the other hand, said: "water freezes at what I call zero. then, water boils at what I call 100." Good decimal boy. Of course its a 'centigrade' scale because it has 100 steps in it.

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    [QUOTE=sunndog;1821747]Really, which ones?

    Not heard this before, have i just fallen for a joke lol)[/QUOTE
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    That is correct. I refer to the units of the Systeme International version of the metric system = the global standard.

    Everybody in science was annoyed about the Angstrom decision. Very useful length measurement and of no relevance
    whatsoever to the real world of bushcraft and axe handles. Should have left well enough alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janne View Post
    Is UK not Metric yet?

    The old system is so illogical, that nobody knows off hand how many Inches goes into a Yard, how many Inches (or Yards) into a Mile.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Macaroon View Post
    I certainly know those things, and many of my aquaintance do as well. I can perfectly well visualise, accurately, dimensions in either imperial or metric or a mixture of both. It's been a constant source of wonder to me that so many folk have problems with it all; I think it's a mindset thing.

    The old system was never illogical, just different, same as our old monetary system. One of those wonderfully quirky things about being a native of these blessed islands!
    I'm with mac on this. I have no problems at all visualizing the standard system (nor any problems knowing there are 36 inches in a yard --- 1760 yards in a mile, etc.) I can also think in metric (generally) without needing to convert. The exception would be temperature. I do have some problems conceiving celcius without converting it first.

    UOTE=Robson Valley;1821741]Like Macaroon says: you just learn to be bilingual, moving back and forth between 2 frames of reference and measurement.
    I tell ya, it's a nightmare working on a car which is a mix of Imperial and Metric! Then the wrench socket sets get mixed up. . . . . . . .
    What I like the very best is that many of the units in the SI Metric system are named for people, not abstract terms in a single language.[/QUOTE]

    Spot on. There is actually an even more logical temperature scale however; the Absolute Scale where 0 is the complete absents of heat. No negative numbers needed.

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    As a suggestion, why don't you message the seller and ask them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robson Valley View Post
    Celsius, Curie, Hertz, Joule, Volt (Volta), Amp (Ampere), Farad (Faraday), even Angstrom but he got dumped as that's 10^-10m which didn't fit the orders of magnitude scaling.
    Too bad as Angstrom was a very convenient length in electron microscopy. Many, many other named units, it's a long list and I never needed much of it..

    Fahrenheit got tossed as he had some strange set up of salt and ice to define his zero (?freezing point depression?) and boiling point elevation. I've long since forgotten.
    Celsius, on the other hand, said: "water freezes at what I call zero. then, water boils at what I call 100." Good decimal boy. Of course its a 'centigrade' scale because it has 100 steps in it.
    I'm an idiot, i was just thinking of distance measurement (mm,cm,m,km)
    Out of those i'v never heard of angstrom at all and didn't know farad was a measurement. Heard of farady and his cage of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janne View Post
    UK is fully Metric. Only older people still are used to the Imperial from the old days.

    US and a couple other countries are not yet there
    Is beer in the UK not sold by the pint anymore then? How's the speed limit listed now?

    Quote Originally Posted by sunndog View Post
    I'm an idiot, i was just thinking of distance measurement (mm,cm,m,km)
    Out of those i'v never heard of angstrom at all and didn't know farad was a measurement. Heard of farady and his cage of course
    No, you're not an idiot. Those are indeed examples but not something we'd think of in everyday conversation. At least one of them (Hertz) is not even different from the non metric (cycles) Just a different name.

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    sunndog: it's one of those "need to know" kind of things. Lots of it, you and I have never used.
    Even metric prefixes had to be agreed upon. Stuff like atto- and femto-

    People are still bitching about the accurate measurement of a meter.
    Because liter is derived from that and using water, so is the kilogram.

    When the Systeme Internationale (metric system) was agreed to and many countries signed off on that,
    there were a bunch of old names in the metric system that had to go, like Angstrom.
    The temperature scale isn't correctly "called" the centigrade scale, even though it is 100 units.
    You have to kiss Celsius' ring for temperatures.
    Even so, old man Kelvin stayed in the club with his absolute temperature scale.
    So 273K is the same as 0C. Sensible, huh?

    Stuff like degrees, minutes and seconds of arc survived.

    Angstrom is 0.1 nanometer and damn handy as a unit of measurement in electron microscopy.
    The danger these days is that young researchers read the old scientific literature, see 10A as a measurement
    and may be incapable of translating correctly as 1.0nm.

    I do believe that there are people who are genuinely disturbed by the prospect of becoming bilingual for metric and imperial.

    I was living in Melbourne when the Aussies began to shift to the SI metric system. It was sudden.
    One morning on the radio, the weather guy said it would be a fine day with a temp of 17 Celsius.
    Moment of silence.
    Then he asked: "Do you want to know what 17C is like? Go outside."
    Too funny.

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    + 1 well said Sir.

    Quote Originally Posted by Macaroon View Post
    I certainly know those things, and many of my aquaintance do as well. I can perfectly well visualise, accurately, dimensions in either imperial or metric or a mixture of both. It's been a constant source of wonder to me that so many folk have problems with it all; I think it's a mindset thing.

    The old system was never illogical, just different, same as our old monetary system. One of those wonderfully quirky things about being a native of these blessed islands!

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    Like I said: there are disturbed people who are frightened by the possible ability to be bilingual.
    The poor sods have been hammered in to the peg-hole to expect one thing and one thing only.
    They scream and natter in the fear of the new. The old is not erased.

    Macaroon understands how convenient it is to be fluent. So do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robson Valley View Post
    sunndog: it's one of those "need to know" kind of things. Lots of it, you and I have never used.
    Even metric prefixes had to be agreed upon. Stuff like atto- and femto-

    People are still bitching about the accurate measurement of a meter.
    Because liter is derived from that and using water, so is the kilogram.

    When the Systeme Internationale (metric system) was agreed to and many countries signed off on that,
    there were a bunch of old names in the metric system that had to go, like Angstrom.
    The temperature scale isn't correctly "called" the centigrade scale, even though it is 100 units.
    You have to kiss Celsius' ring for temperatures.
    Even so, old man Kelvin stayed in the club with his absolute temperature scale.
    So 273K is the same as 0C. Sensible, huh?

    Stuff like degrees, minutes and seconds of arc survived.

    Angstrom is 0.1 nanometer and damn handy as a unit of measurement in electron microscopy.
    The danger these days is that young researchers read the old scientific literature, see 10A as a measurement
    and may be incapable of translating correctly as 1.0nm.

    I do believe that there are people who are genuinely disturbed by the prospect of becoming bilingual for metric and imperial.

    I was living in Melbourne when the Aussies began to shift to the SI metric system. It was sudden.
    One morning on the radio, the weather guy said it would be a fine day with a temp of 17 Celsius.
    Moment of silence.
    Then he asked: "Do you want to know what 17C is like? Go outside."
    Too funny.
    I was cursing myself because i did know most of those you mentioned. Just as santaman said, not in everyday conversation and didn't spring to mind

    I'm bilingual to a degree. mm/m/km....cm is the least popular here. We just use mm. Kids are starting to use cm though
    Inches/yards/miles are no bother, the odd fraction of an inch will catch me out now and again through lack of practice. Mostly use fractions on vehicle fastners

    Do you use things like CWT in america? (112lb/ a 'hundredweight')
    I know lots of your liquid measures are different to ours. Gallon/pint/quart/fluid ounce, oh and tons

    cant see us ever driving on the right (wrong) side of the road.
    As a biker the left makes more sense to me. At a stop you put your left foot down...driving on the left that foot is towards the curb. Driving on the right that foot is into traffic

    Only people over about 60 still talk in fahrenheit. I cant even spell it without looking lol

    Overall metric does make more sense to me. Decimal measures are just so much more efficient than all those fractions. Esp for day to day use
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    Canada is officially SI Metric. The conversion began in the mid-1970's and was done in a really sloppy, half-a$$ed fashion.
    That's left our green grocers and butchers still (!!) double-labelling everything.
    Made sense for international trade which means more than coast-to-coast confusion.

    On this continent, most imperial measure has to be used in trade with the US.
    I think they are the very last metric hold-out on the whole planet.

    We used the Imperial gallon of 160 oz, based upon 4 x 40 oz quarts.
    That's almost exactly 4.5 liters.
    The Americans use a 32 oz quart for a 128 oz gallon.

    CWT is unseen here. It's pounds of 16 oz up to 2,000 which is a ton.
    No mix of 14 pound stone-things.

    Left-hand drive, on the right side of the road, is no big deal. It's of major advantage to the majority who are right-handed.
    Just depends on what you get used to. Getting into, or trying to get into the wrong side of a vehicle is good for a laugh.
    The greatest danger I found was looking the wrong way for traffic before crossing a street.

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