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    Default A question for the motorcyclists....

    I went down my my local motorbike shop today to be me a new 500cc trail bike, something along the lines of an XT500 or DRZ400. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that such bikes are no longer available, the only things the salesman could offer were overweight 1000cc "adventure bikes" or 250cc kiddie bikes! Whatever happened to the mid sized thumpers that were once so popular?
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    Yamaha XT660 or if you wanted to be a bit retro the Royal Enfield 500 trials road version is available new.

    BMW F 650 ?
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    XT660 is no longer on the Yamaha site and the F650 is a hipster road bike. I want a good old fashioned naked trail bike and there doesn't seem to be anything available.
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    There will be old stock XT660's in showrooms you just have to look

    The choice does seem to be between true off road crossers like the Honda CRFs and big adventure bikes.

    What about a KTM 690 or CCM 640?

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    The CCM 450 looks interesting and the abs on the KTM is tempting. Also looking at ex army Armstrongs... But none are as good looking as a XT500..,
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    That's a pity I learned to ride & passed my test on an XT600.
    I guess it's a bit like real off road 4x4's, the powers that be have decided we don't need cars with real off road abilities these days.
    So I guess we don't need fun, mono cylinder dirt bikes either...

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    Don't make the mistake thinking that the BMW F650 is "just a Hipster road bike"

    https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/dan-walsh/1057092/ ( having read the book a number of times, I'm very surprised the Penguin are the publishers )

    This book will change your mind big time.

    Check out the reviews here .....

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/These-Days-.../dp/1846053110

    Enjoy
    Last edited by Robbi; 22-10-2016 at 10:12.

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    What about one of those ex-army Harleys?

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    Default Harley MT350

    Had one - not without their issues - but does fit your criteria. There is a great owners club see "MT owners" forum. Lots of opportunities for fettling but not a ride and forget machine. Beware minuscule reserve - if you can't see a petrol station when you run out of main your stuffed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbi View Post
    Yamaha XT660 or if you wanted to be a bit retro the Royal Enfield 500 trials road version is available new.

    BMW F 650 ?
    Contact Haywards of Cambridge re new(non retro) adventure bike circa 500cc from Enfield.
    Last edited by Laurence Milton; 05-12-2016 at 16:12.

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    The F650 is really capable and a lot of people are taking them all over the world now on some serious off road trails. I've currently got a Tiger 800 which is probably bigger than you need but I'm totally in love with it, haven't had a chance to take it off road properly yet though. The KTMs do some really nice mid range bikes. Also if you wait a while there is are several small-midrange bikes on the calendar to be released in the near future as many manufacturers are realising that not everyone wants a huge adventure bike.

    Failing that go onto youtube, watch Ed March's C90 adventures and buy yourself a cub
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    Yeah ed March is awesome.

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    DR 350 like the off roads police force use. Everything you need and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imagedude View Post
    Whatever happened to the mid sized thumpers that were once so popular?
    are modern scramblers really scramblers
    https://motorbikewriter.com/are-mode...ly-scramblers/

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    While smaller capacity, they are still lots of fun and not insane money - Kawasaki KLX250.
    Skimilar to the Kawasaki - Honda CRF250L
    Lots of money, lots of fun - KTM 500 EXC-F

    Or buy a proper off-road bike and get it modified to be road legal.

    There are options... they might not look like the past or have nostalgia but they are capable machines.

    Personally I'll stick to my faired comfy road bike.
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    Last time I bought a new bike was in 1990 !!

    Currently I have a 2001 Honda Africa Twin which I ride and go everywhere on. There is a 1999 Kawasaki ZX7R in the garage which has been laid up ever since I got the AT and I still intend to put the ZX14 front end and ZX10R swingarm on that and take it around Cadwell Park. Lastly there is a 2005 Chinese Chituma Hongdu GY200 pining away behind the ZX7R. The ignition barrel fell to bits and I only bought it to practice wheelies on as I wasn't going to risk decking the ZX7R.

    All are my projects in some way. The AT is tweaks to make it more usable on tours and rallies so fitting extra lights, storage solutions and comfort stuff. The ZX7R will be for track excursions. And if I sort the GY200 out it will be for general arsing around in the dirt.

    My other hobby is home engineering (lathe, mill, shaper) as well as bushcrafting. Enough with these three pursuits to keep me happy 'til I pop my clogs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squidders View Post
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    Personally I'll stick to my faired comfy road bike.
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    Had about 12 bikes now of all sorts, I loved my Bandit and the ZZR100 for a fully faired road bike but none of them have been a patch on my Tiger 800 in terms of comfort and versatility.
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    I second the Africa twin bob great bike bit too hi for me with my legs but I recently went on a 500ccwhen I went for a cbt a couple of weeks ago to refresh my riding skills totally different ride nowadays
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    My beast of choice is a 2007 Suzuki V-Strom 650. It is a bit of a pig and definitely needs some good armour but it does handle backroads quite well. It can be a touch top heavy and the front end dives under braking. Also the ABS is sensitive as well. A gentle touch is needed to avoid skipping on loose gravel roads. It's also nice to thrash out on the pavement as well. Though being a v-twin it runs out of steam at the top end. I've ridden mine up to Alaska (the bugs), down to Mexico (the heat) and across Canada (the distance). And all over BC's backroads as well.
    My other toy is a 2013 Ural GearUp 750. Some parts of that bike were state of the art in 1938 when it was built by the Germans. It's a pig of a different sort, but a hoot to ride. (Once you get a hang of driving a sidecar rig. read: full on bloody mental.) Not for speed or the mechanically adverse.

    I'm with you on lamenting the loss of the middleweight off-road motorcycles. I think the issue is keeping up with emissions regulations and trying to update older motor designs. There is also the undue influence of those two actors that rode around on those overpriced and overweight German water buffalos. Though looking at some other the smaller displacement bikes coming up, it looks like the manufacturers are trying to fill that niche with smaller more efficient bikes. (Kawasaki UK has a KLX-450, and Suzuki UK has the V-Strom 250.) Of course you can run with what you have, take a look at Sjaak Lucassen, around the world on a Yamaha R1.

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