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Right! - At last I have got round to it and found time to post the sugestion of my first Group Buy!
I have been wanting to get some stamps to emboss paper / Leather for some time and was drawn to the Embossing Plates by Le Prevo http://www.leprevo.co.uk/custom.html however don't need 20sq inches of plate or want to pay £35.00!
So cutting to the chase is there anyone else out there that would be interested in clubbing together to produce a large plate so we can split the cost?
The pice is down to £1.75 per sq Inch plus postage once we get over the magical 20 Sq inches . We could create a plate up to 144 Sq Inches (12"x12") and I would be happy to combine the designs into a final image then cut it down and post it on once i'ts made..
Let me know what you think and hopefully it will be a goer!:D - just think of all those personalised sheaths!!!! ;)
Bumblebee
16-11-2005, 20:33
Love to join, but I can't draw... I would like a Bumblebee something along the lines of my avatar.
Well I've been after a stamp of my logo for a while.
See my avatar. Can provide artwork in just about any digital format you need.
jdlenton
17-11-2005, 10:14
Well I'm up for some room on the plate I also do vector illustration on the pc exactly what is required by leprevo for there photographic technique very clean and very acurate.
James
i presume this is just for a plate and no kind of 'stamping device' how does it actually work, how do you stamp it on paper/leather whatever?
Grooveski
17-11-2005, 10:50
I'd be interested in six sq inches or so.
Nice one James. :) I started sketching last night and was wondering whether to export an image or keep things as vector.
Tomtom, I'll be sticking small designs to the end of a six inch long length of 1" square bar, either glued with epoxy or maybe braized on(if the magnesium alloy they use will allow it without igniting).
Then you just line it up on the leather and smack it like a big centrepunch.
The plate like the one in the picture at leprevo would need to be clamped - put in a vice with the leather and squeezed up.
NickBristol
17-11-2005, 11:27
Tentatively interested too...
If i can find a designer to put together a logo then I'd definitely go for something, maybe 3in by 2in.
Does anyone know how clearly text would come through when it was embossed onto thick paper or thin leather? Not thinking of small fonts but wouldn't want to lose the edges of large text, maybe 1/2inch high letters on the page...
Cheers for any info - and thanks for offering the opportunity :You_Rock_
Nick
to be honest i havn't a clue how well it will work / turn out! :o
I was just working on the fact that at under a couple of quid an inch it is worth the risk.......
jdlenton
17-11-2005, 11:55
Tomtom
Think we will be makeing punches by cutting up th sheet and mounting them using epoxy on some sort of punch it could be a piece of broom handel i even think that you can buy special mounting punches from leather suppliers
James
Grooveski
17-11-2005, 14:49
Originaly Posted by NickBristol
Does anyone know how clearly text would come through when it was embossed onto thick paper or thin leather? Not thinking of small fonts but wouldn't want to lose the edges of large text, maybe 1/2inch high letters on the page...
This page (http://www.infinitystamps.com/magnesiumplates138798737hjkdoj kslidjlsjkwjeldnnioswpowkeplkj xsowoninxno.html) has some text examples on it. Looks good :) .
NickBristol
17-11-2005, 15:01
Cheers Groovski - they do look good, really suprised me how precise the edges are :)
I'm definitely convinced now. Money in mouth ready to go.
Know it's early days but any timescales yet?
Tomtom
Think we will be makeing punches by cutting up th sheet and mounting them using epoxy on some sort of punch it could be a piece of broom handel i even think that you can buy special mounting punches from leather suppliers
James
Yep you can use them as a punch with a hammer if they are mounted correctly or you could put them in a press or a vice with the project mounted between two peices of board, in fact there are many different ways that they can be used.
Fenlander
17-11-2005, 16:52
Well I'm up for some room on the plate I also do vector illustration on the pc exactly what is required by leprevo for there photographic technique very clean and very acurate.
James
Do you think my logo would look ok James :confused: or could you do something creative with the N & L :D
jdlenton
17-11-2005, 17:58
your logo is a bit detailed to stamp well unless you do it say 2" square it might work then but i'd go for the n and l idea if i were you
James
Longstrider
17-11-2005, 21:14
As with any embossing system, the best advice is to keep things a simple as you can. The more fine detail on your design, the more likely it is to become just a big splodge when you actually attack a piece of leather with the stamp. I had a stamp made of steel for my logo and it works a treat (see http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=9015 ) but that thing cost me nearly £60.
I'm working on a few square inches worth of design to join in with this group buy. At the price, it's well worth a try.
I would be interested in a 1" square of this
Grooveski
18-11-2005, 15:15
Originaly Posted by Moff8
I would be interested in a 1" square of this
Here it is traced, vectored and sized. (http://hometown.aol.co.uk/JOSHGROOVESKI/Track_moff8.zip) That should be fine for the process.
(Bored at work :rolleyes: )
Sorry your bored at work but glad you were ;) - many thanks :You_Rock_
Tentatively interested too...
If i can find a designer to put together a logo then I'd definitely go for something, maybe 3in by 2in.
Does anyone know how clearly text would come through when it was embossed onto thick paper or thin leather? Not thinking of small fonts but wouldn't want to lose the edges of large text, maybe 1/2inch high letters on the page...
Cheers for any info - and thanks for offering the opportunity :You_Rock_
Nick
Hi Nick
It will very largely depend on the size of the font you are printing. A type set font would probably work best. Also, if you increase the amount of kern (space between the letters) this will help keep things clearer.
Hope this helps
NickBristol
18-11-2005, 17:52
Cheers Rod - that does help a lot. Had worked out that font size would prob affect the quality and that bigger is usually better, but hadn't considered the spacing between letters issue.
Learnt a new word too so can go home having accomplished something today :lmao:
Time to find someone who can convert scribbles into a logo :)
:D Right Guys the Order is Definitely taking place! :D
My mate James (jdlenton) has offered to produce the final image in a quality that leprevo will be proud of! So HUGE thanks to him!!!:You_Rock_
What I need to do now is get definite Image designs for the stamp/s you require.
The uncertain bit at the moment is postage as this is fluid till I know the final order size, so unfortunately I can’t give you a final price yet but if we work on £2.00 per square inch we hopefully won’t be too far off!
So it’s over to you now!! The guys that have voiced a desire to join in at present are
Jdlenton
Bumblebee
Stickie
Fluxus
Wayland
Grooveski
NickBristol
Fenlander
Longstrider
Shing
Moff8
So that’s a dozen of us at least! - (more welcome obviously!;) )
What I need form you all next is
your image (preferably actual size) it MUST be black and white – no greyscale and we can accept it as either bmp or jpg (or as a hard copy pm me for info)
the final size you want your stamp to be – remember we will have to add a tad on so we can cut it out so this needs to be the size of the image and therefore I will adjust the cost to cover the extra (if my math will allow! )
We can / will be tweaking the images so they will hopefully be clear and work (I am querying technical issues with le prevo – i.e minimum line thickness) so if you need your image tidying up please say
Finally I feel we need to fix a 'Closing Date' for orders I cant see us getting it all sorted before christmas so guess we will all have late prezzies to look forward to in the new year:D So to give time for me to collate it all and James to combine the image
so the Closing date for orders will be the 11th of December at Midnight!
Right this feels a long post so I think I will finish here!
(I’m sure to think of something else as soon as I hit send – but hey I can always edit it!:D , if I do I will always post an extra thread to say so;) )
Grooveski
21-11-2005, 14:51
Which vector formats are suitable for sending James? Are dxf's ok(I'm drawing in Autocad) or would you like them converted to coreldraw or the likes?
Josh
jdlenton
21-11-2005, 15:12
Hi Josh
I use freehand and that will open .dxf files so thats fine the only issue with dxf is filled area so if you want a solid area (and leprevo say that its ok to have a solid area )then I will have to fill inside the vector for you I guess what I'm saying is just send me the outline and instructions of the area you want filled.
James
allanscot
21-11-2005, 15:56
Great idea :D I have been looking for a cheap way to do this for years! I'll pm you some images this week.
Grooveski
21-11-2005, 16:29
Thanks James, sounds like a plan :) .
I shudder to think how much space I'll be using given another three weeks of dreaming things up. The 6"sq I first put down for has already come and gone :rolleyes: .
jdlenton
21-11-2005, 16:30
Hi All
I thought I would put together a post about file types and image requirements
I can accept files in any of these formats:-
Vector
Adobe Illustrator .ai
Auto Cad .dxf
CorelDRAW7.x/8.x .cdr
Freehand 11,10,9,8,7,6,5.x .fhx x=version number
Raster
Adobe Photoshop .psd
jpeg .jpg
giff .giff
tiff .tiff
bitmap .bmp
The image has to be black and white, I can convert the image if required. The black being the image to be pressed into the leather.
The smoother the edge of any black shapes the better, the more pixels per inch you use gives you a better image quality (I work at a minimum of 600ppi for print).
I would suggest that the minimum line weight is 0.75 mm or 2.126 pt
This really is all I have to say at the moment
Ant questions just ask
James
jdlenton
21-11-2005, 16:34
Josh I know what you mean i could fill a 12" x 12" plate on my own with all the ideas for things a want to emboss
James
Is the DXF that Grooveski kindly made for me ok for you to use or would you prefer a PM?
Thomas
jdlenton
23-11-2005, 12:38
Moff8 the image is ok to use
James
Unless James had had a mountain of images, it seems it is just moff8, James and Myself!!!:confused:
Just a reminder if you want to take part that you now only have a week to join us!;)
Grooveski
03-12-2005, 23:32
Yeah, I'm up for about 8-12 sq inches. :)
If still room, would I be able to add my Clan Crest - preferably as small as will come out OK. Would about one by two inch be too small?
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/pewing/MacEwanCrest.gif
Ok, I have an image. Coreldraw v.8 for you, but how do I get it to you?
You're in Doc! - we'll grab the image straight from your post! :)
Great, thanks. Let me know re payment info.
Grooveski
06-12-2005, 00:08
Here's Doc's vectored and sized. (http://hometown.aol.co.uk/JOSHGROOVESKI/crest_doc.zip)
0.5mm line thickness to get down to size.
Grooveski
06-12-2005, 18:02
NickBristol's plate. (http://hometown.aol.co.uk/JOSHGROOVESKI/Liberty_NickBristol.zip)
...plus a pdf with size and font info.
Not seen how this is going to be accomplished yet, so...
Would it be worth having separating lines (or channels rather) so that cutting the plate up can be done more accurately? A jeweller's saw will split that stuff with ease. You'd lose a small amount on area, and the lines could be filed off afterwards. The only caveat I'd bung in is to make sure that your saw throat is at least 1/2 the width of the plate... :)
Other options on embossing include using things like arbor presses, hydraulic presses and so on. Obviously, the larger the area, the more force is required to get the same pressure on.
Grooveski
06-12-2005, 19:12
You're right. Mag-alloy's putty, filing off the remnants of a cut line would be a doddle.
I've got designs separated in boxes at the moment, but was thinking of removing them before posting the file. I'll leave them on just in case and James can always delete them if they're not wanted.
g4ghb, I'm sticking all mine in a rectangle. You don't need to cut them all out, I've got a coping saw here. :)
Nice one for getting this together by the way. ;)
jdlenton
06-12-2005, 21:59
Sorry guys been laid up since last Wednesday so not online, couldn’t face driving a PC. All who want a design on the plate can use the send email to in my profile to send images, my maximum size attachment is 2mb per email if you wish me to download an image then pm me the url if it is not in the thread. I will compile a list toward the end of the week and contact any of the interested parties that have not sent me images then.
Espy the method you describe about dividing the plate is pretty much how I was going to do it apart from the channels. I will divide the plate buy marking out and then cut with a deep throated piercing saw, remove any burr and that will be it. If there is a further requirement for smoothing with wet and dry or polishing that will have to done by the recipient.
back to work tomorrow i will be checking my email then after 6 days !!!!!!!post again the whrn my head is clearer
James
jdlenton
09-12-2005, 17:19
As the dead line is fast approaching I thought I would make a list of interested parties and those who i have received images from
Bumblebee Received and ok
Stickie Not Received
Fluxus Not Received
Wayland Received having issues
Grooveski Received and ok
NickBristol Recieved and ok
TomTom Tentative
Fenlander Kevin did you send me a final image?
G4GHB Received and ok
Shing Received and ok
Moff8 Received and ok
allanscot Received and ok
Doc Received and ok
Wayland I'm having some problem opening your file it is saved in a compressed format and freehand can't open it like this it needs to be uncompressed can you send it again as a jpeg, bitmap, dxf or the uncompressed cdr file please?
have a good weekend all and i hope to find more images in my inbox on monday morning
James
edit i have updated the list for images recieved 12-12-05
NickBristol
09-12-2005, 17:42
I'm definitely still interested :)
Top man Grooveski attached the necessary below (6/12/05 17.02) so assume that is all ok for you?
Nick
jdlenton
09-12-2005, 17:55
hi nick how big do you want you design to be the one i have is very large?
James
NickBristol
09-12-2005, 18:12
i think it should be about 3inches by 2 inches. Can you see that being a problem?
jdlenton
10-12-2005, 17:41
cant see a problem at all its just the drawing i have is about 500mm long!!! i will resize it and it'll be ok
James
Grooveski
11-12-2005, 16:46
Oops, wrong drawing units. :o Line width three quarters of an inch. :rolleyes: Was working on a house plan in imperial last week.
jdlenton
12-12-2005, 10:04
i have updated the list for images recieved will post more in a short whil busy now
James
Ok Guys the deadline has passed and james is busy sorting out the final image /s
I know he is going to update the list in a bit so please bear with us whlie we work out the final details and then I'll get out the final costs.
To be in the safe side with the uncertanty of postage and packageing i will err on the side of caution and any over i will donate to charity (well bushcraftUK) if you don't have any objections!?
so far unless James has already received it we are waiting for images from
Stickie Not Received
Fluxus Not Received
TomTom Tentative
Fenlander Kevin did you send me a final image?
so if you can all get the images to one of us asap we will add you on, obviously we can't wait forever so i'll leave James to have the last shout
laters
jdlenton
12-12-2005, 17:46
stickie i'll be doing the plate over the christmas break if you get it sorted in the next couple of days let me know if you talk nicely to Grooveski he might be able to help you.
James
Grooveski
12-12-2005, 23:00
BTW, Wayland, we bounced your file about today and it's all cool now. :)
jdlenton
13-12-2005, 11:43
no problems hope it all goes well for you tomorrow and that you'r not too rough afterward :eek:
Just thought i'd 'bounce' the thread to let you all know that although things seem to have gone quiet it is still happening in the background! I'll hopefully be in touch soon to extract your hard earned;)
btw hope the op was not too traumatic stickie :eek:
Thanks for all the hard work organising this guys. Paypal/chequebook on standby
I'm in, just what I've been looking at, coincedentally.
Neil
Niel1
Have you sent your image to james? he is producing the final image and was compileing it together over the xmas break. I'm not sure how far he has got as we tend to only chat at work and he is on his school hols now! Would pay to drop him a pm, if he can fit you in i'm happy...
BTW, Wayland, we bounced your file about today and it's all cool now. :)
Sorry, only just noticed the "Issues". What was the problem?
Grooveski
28-12-2005, 01:58
Just file transfer trivialities.
E-mail sent to your enquiries address.
Right Just a Bounce to update you all!
Things have turned out to take longer than expected with creating the artwork (Anyone good at jigsaws? :lmao: ) Seriously though things are still progressing so it won't be too much longer before I can get final details out!
Hold on in there chaps the end is in sight ;)
Niel1
Have you sent your image to james? he is producing the final image and was compileing it together over the xmas break. I'm not sure how far he has got as we tend to only chat at work and he is on his school hols now! Would pay to drop him a pm, if he can fit you in i'm happy...
Doh!
Missed this one, is it too late?
Neil
Hi Neil - is fine by me! but i'll leave the final say to James (jdlenton) as he is creating the artwork!!!
If you can drop him a pm asap and are able to get him the artwork forthwith possibly - I know he was hoping to get it finished this weekend!
Doh!
Missed this one, is it too late?
Neil
I know its late, but is there any room left on the plate? Or is it already been sent off to be done
Grooveski
01-02-2006, 13:25
How's it all going James? :) Everything cool?
jdlenton
01-02-2006, 13:37
All cool just up to my ears in work new installations of hardware so my brain and time are both a bit busy a the moment going to have a go at getting everything done at the weekend as I think I’m going to get Sunday off!!!!!!!!
James
Grooveski
01-02-2006, 20:38
Funky. :)
And don't think I was on the hustle:
So far I've got round to buying about five quivers worth of various leather, dyes and thread and a whole new toolkit. By my timescales that means I should make my first cut in about June or so ;) , and have something to put arrows in by christmas. Embossing sounds like a september weekend job. :D
[Edit - that sounds really sarcastic now I read it - it's not meant to be, it's true :o ]
lol :lmao: I know what you mean Grooveski!
- I did mean to post an update after I chatted to James a couple of days ago but life has been rather manic for me too.
Anyway! - we have not given up / emegrated / died etc and things will happen in their own good time, bear with us guys as we perform our british rail impersonations ;)
Funky. :)
And don't think I was on the hustle:
So far I've got round to buying about five quivers worth of various leather, dyes and thread and a whole new toolkit. By my timescales that means I should make my first cut in about June or so ;) , and have something to put arrows in by christmas. Embossing sounds like a september weekend job. :D
[Edit - that sounds really sarcastic now I read it - it's not meant to be, it's true :o ]
jdlenton
15-02-2006, 12:01
Well I've finally dug myself out from under the pile of work I’ve been living under for the past month and done some drawing I will do some more tonight and will then need dimensions from some of you as it is not clear (and my software is rubbish) what size you wanted your stamps.
Apologies for the wait it should not be long now before the plate layout is finished and off for production.
James
Grooveski
19-02-2006, 19:11
Size-wise:
For mine the boar is 82mm nose-to-tail and the spirals 19.5mm diameter.
Doc's is 53mm high.
NickBristol's 73mm long.
The small bee is 24mm long from bum-to-antenna and the larger one is 35mm.
jdlenton
20-02-2006, 10:37
Thats cool thnaks almost all my questions answered thanks josh
James
I'm guessing by the fact that my last post and PM's have been ignored that there is no room left on this group buy???
jdlenton
20-02-2006, 13:08
sorry andy you will have a pm in a moment very busy fist day of new half term:rolleyes:
Thanks James,
Let me know if you have any probs with the images.
jdlenton
20-02-2006, 16:31
They look ok to me i'll let you know
James
Grooveski
08-03-2006, 15:23
Hi ho.
I'm dropping out of the buy guys.
Partialy because of the comments that James' software may not be doing a straightforward import. I'm a bit freaked that maybe some of the botches I used to terminate lines may not be converted properly.
Partialy because I've got more designs that I've been playing with in anticipation of a second buy. Rather than add them to this lot I'd be as well just sending all my bumf on my own. Was already over the minimum order size, well over it now.
Mainly because of the lack of updates. Perhaps I'm just a control junkie but not having a clue what's going on has been doing my head in. I've too much space on the plate to just presume that everythings going fine.
So, hope all goes well and cheers g4ghb(I'd likely never have thought of trying embossing if you hadn't suggested it).
:)
Josh
rapidboy
08-03-2006, 22:20
I'd be interested in this if there is still some space left.
rb
Sorry haven't looked at this thread for ages, do you need a size from me?
Bumblebee
20-03-2006, 10:13
Is something happening here?
jdlenton
20-03-2006, 10:40
Sorry guys for the long wait had a lot to do in my spare time leaving me no time to sit down and lay out the plate i should have some evening time this week and next week looks even better i'll let you all know then
sorry for the delay
James
Any news on these yet? Have they been sent off?
jdlenton
04-04-2006, 13:53
Hi Andy no they've not gone off yet sorry of the long time delay been very busy and now i've got some family issues to deal with. could possibly be able to do something at the weekend but it might be better if someone took over i'll see what happens and the post again on monday
James
Bumblebee
03-05-2006, 09:00
Hi Andy no they've not gone off yet sorry of the long time delay been very busy and now i've got some family issues to deal with. could possibly be able to do something at the weekend but it might be better if someone took over i'll see what happens and the post again on monday
James
So have you completely abandoned this then? Not the sort of behaviour I would expect from a mod... Many people have put in a lot of work with their design and it would be such a shame for it to be wasted.
jdlenton
03-05-2006, 10:25
No this is not abandoned I will be handing over all the graphic to g4ghb in the next few day and what do you mean by "not the sort of behavior you would expect for a mod" I am only human and I have periodically updated the thread to let people know I am having a little trouble time, family and other I did ask for some help in my last post but none has been offered so what do you want me to do? make and extra couple of hours in a day? I thought you more than any one tommy would understand that you cant sit in front of a pc all the time.
James
Bumblebee
03-05-2006, 11:07
Well, it is over four months overdue... and your last response was one month ago.
Yes, I know that these things takes a lot of time and especially after my first group buy I was completely snowed under for a while but I finished what I had started even if other things had to be pushed back a while.
jdlenton
03-05-2006, 11:24
can't push back a 1 year old but point taken about finishing what you start.
James
benjamin.oneill
03-05-2006, 13:23
I'd be very very interested in a few square inches and was going to suggest the same myself at some point.
Maybe someone here could help me find a font I need... I want tone similar to that used by Thomas Pink the shirtmaker or Purdey the gunmaker... have a little look at their websites. It's like a fat serrifed outline font with fine lines across the hollow spaces.... if you get me!
I've been unable to find anything like it yet on the free fonts online but there are millions so maybe i haven't looked hard enough.
Count me in for atleast 3 inches if it's going.
Ben
can' guarantee anything Ben - but i've dropped you a pm ;)
Maybe someone here could help me find a font I need... I want tone similar to that used by Thomas Pink the shirtmaker or Purdey the gunmaker... have a little look at their websites. It's like a fat serrifed outline font with fine lines across the hollow spaces.... if you get me!
Any links? I might have some relevant resources.
The kind of fonts you're probably looking for are ones like chevalier, honduras or EF Escorial - all of which are commerical fonts however. You might be able to find a free one using these as search terms though...
I'm also going to be an awkward sod and ask whether there is still space left for another design - something like a small image about 1-2cm square to stamp the things I'm starting to make.
If so, let me know who to send it to and I'll fire it off ASAP - if not, no worries! :D
jdlenton
08-05-2006, 16:18
right the layout is pretty much there I have a few questions for some of you and I will pm you all being well the final print should be done by Wednesday
James
benjamin.oneill
08-05-2006, 17:38
Any links? I might have some relevant resources.
Thanks for the heads up...
This is what it looks like:
http://www.purdey.com/
http://www.thomaspink.com/
Cheers
Ben
weekend_warrior
08-05-2006, 18:10
Try this font here....
http://www.fontpool.com/fonts/urw/chevalier.html
It's called Chevalier Stripes SC D
weekend_warrior
10-05-2006, 08:40
Was that the font you were looking for - do you want me to look for others like it? :confused:
I'll step forward and take the risk of answering for match - yes that was fine thanks!
- only that he has sent me the design now so I assume he is happy! :lmao:
weekend_warrior
10-05-2006, 10:41
Cool - I'll pack the font search engine away then.. :)
It wasn't me - it was Espy looking for that font :) I just mentioned some suggestions on which one to use...
Since I'm confused, I'll just ask - have you got my design successfully? (small crow) ? :rolleyes:
YOUR'E confused!!!!! :eek:
yup we received the crow :) - James is tweaking it now! ;)
It wasn't me - it was Espy looking for that font :) I just mentioned some suggestions on which one to use...
Since I'm confused, I'll just ask - have you got my design successfully? (small crow) ? :rolleyes:
It wasn't me - it was Espy looking for that font :) I just mentioned some suggestions on which one to use...
I was going rummaging in my engraving books to see what sort of name/description it has... Slightly different from TrueType! I've definitely seen something similar in one of the books.
Is there anything happening on this one or not? Getting confused if this is still on or not.
The last post from James sounded as if hte layout was finished. :confused: