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When I go out I often filter my water through the Millbank bag and boil it. This is probably my main way of getting usable water. When I don't do this I use a Aquapure Traveller or the Military version Survivor S4i
(We have been extensively reviewing this since our first review and we do think it is better than we gave it credit, the review is being written at the moment)
I rarely use chemical purification as I just don't fancy using it when I have other choices.
When I have to drink water that does not taste too good (well, puddle etc) I use the US powdered drinks like Kool-Aid or tang, You can get them with the sugar included in the powder. This can make drinks much more palatable.
How do you guys and girls deal with your water needs?
AntarcticFire
28-01-2004, 20:07
I use a Katadyn Pocket Filter which has been absolutely awesome... it's a
little heavier than some others but built solidly and should last me a _VERY_ long time.
I try not to use chemical purification unless I'm really that worried about
the water quality. In those situations I carry some cholrine tablets
and neturalising tablets to get rid of the taste...
When it comes to chemical I use Xinix aquacare instead of the chlorine tablets I used before. Xinix does not taste like a pool and it´s easy to use.
Never tried a filter and never had any use for it either =)
Mostly I try to find water that is clean, when I am not sure I boil it.
How do you guys and girls deal with your water needs?
I, like you, don't favor chemicles when they're not necessary.
I go for the layered approach with something as important as water.
Unfortunately, I've lived in many places where the only means of getting water was bringing it with you. For example, right now close to the ocean, my only option for turning brackish or salt water to potable water is condensation or collecting rainwater. Not a very fun way to get water.
Back to my methods; I start with very basic methods and go to more comlpex ones.
1. Pot for boiling.
2. Compressed sponges and bandanna for collecting dew in emergencies.
3. Iodine (Usually have some Potable Aqua tabs as well as some Polar Pure. )
4. MSR mini-works water filter.
About the only places I've collected water from so far has been fast flowing mountain streams in the lakes, apparently if you collect from a turbulent area (white water) then its about as clean as you're going to get it. Still filtered through the gate keeper on the water bladder though.
woodsitter
28-01-2004, 21:49
apparently if you collect from a turbulent area (white water) then its about as clean as you're going to get it
no way bro. Of course it depends on your definition of 'clean', but that water looks clean because there are no visible particles floating in it does not mean that it's safe to drink. Sure, no one likes to drink boiled mud, but it is dead and that counts I think more than the looks or the taste.
Fast flowing, clean looking, crisp tasting water can still contain some nasty buggers you don’t want. Fast flowing cold water contains lot’s of oxygen, that’s good because it helps break down a lot of the organic mass you don’t want in your drinking water. But most of that organic mass is not broken down by the oxygen its self but by the bacteria that use the oxygen to live while breaking down the organic mass (some how organic mass sounds a lot more scientific than **** :lol: )
Anyway, the little creeps are still in there, not as much as in a muddy pond, but still they are (where else can they go?)
Fortunately in western Europe we don’t have the really nasty killers anymore like cholera or bilharzias or whatever, so you’l most likely survive a sip from the stream.
Unfortunately most of us are not used to anything dirty anymore so chances are that you will spend a lot of bush-time with your pants on your ankles. :shock: :rolleyes:
Better boil it or use a good filter.
I usually Millbank and boil or you my Katadyn Pocket filer if I'm lazy! Never had a problem!
I hate chemicals too!
Anyone tried the gate way filters that screw into the neck of water bladders?
Cheers for the info Woodsitter, I was only going on what the GF was told for her Gold DoE
I've used a Gatekeeper and didn't get ill so it must work. But they are a lot dearer to run than a Katadyn.
Anyone tried the gate way filters that screw into the neck of water bladders?
Cheers for the info Woodsitter, I was only going on what the GF was told for her Gold DoE
I use a Pur Hiker and love it. I guess it's now the Katadyn Hiker 'cause I think Katadyn bought out Pur IIRC. I used the Katadyn Pocket filter for over 25 years and it has been a great one but the older I got, the heaver it got and the harder it was to pump it. :shock: But the Hiker pumps easy as pie and does a good job of filtering. And carrying a spare filter is no big deal.
Tony,
Some more on this topic from a previous thread.
http://www.bushcraftuk.co.uk/community/viewtopic.php?t=335&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Cheers.
Just seen the price of the Katadyn Pocket filter :shock: For now I'll either stick with the gateway or get the hiker or mini filter (or boil it). The reviews look good but definately can't stretch to £180 at the moment.
Tony,
Some more on this topic from a previous thread.
http://www.bushcraftuk.co.uk/community/viewtopic.php?t=335&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Cheers.
Cheers Mate,
The forum is getting too big for me to keep track of.....I'm glad you're on the ball :wink:
I've used a "Gatekeeper" with my Platypus water bottles for a few years hill-walking and never had a problem. But I do restrict myself to water sources that look clean and always above the line of human habitation and activity – the filter is only a filter after all!
After extensive testing, the Armed Forces issue the Pre-Mac International SWP water purifier in survival kits. That’s good enough for me and I’ve just bought one to use later this year in Scotland and, hopefully, the Pyrenees. Not tried it yet, but at around £20-00 for 50 litres of purified water, it seems a petty good thing to have in your rucsac.
Ted W
I can personally vouch for the pre-mac purifiers (they are all purifiers as well as filters) the are extreamly good
Anonymous
11-02-2004, 21:42
Have always boiled water... saves the expense of buying purifiers... :wink:
I swear by the Katadyn.
Miz :lol:
Dutchman
12-02-2004, 00:59
- MSR MiniWorks
- Naglene bottle 1 ltr
- Dromedary bag 3 ltr
- drinking tube
- Lapland plastic mug
Mainly because MiniWorks is save, quick and easy to use (no spilling water), bit heavy and pricy though.
The bag has more functional uses (floating, pillow, etc), is very strong. Handy with drinking tube (even a shower extension is possible :shock: ).
Black fabric keeps water tastless and cool. Also fills the cap in my pack (under top lid). Doesn't take up room when empty.
MSR make exellent rugged kit, also check out their stoves and tents (formely known as Moss tents), sorry off topic :oops:
NickBristol
25-02-2004, 12:45
Going back to chemical treatments for a little while, have any of you used the Pristine water purification system? It's Chlorine Dioxide (rather than Chlorine) which is the same stuff used for initial treatment for the domestic water supply. The advantage over Chlorine is that it not only kills bacteria, virus & giardia but also cryptosporidium. Plus it really does leave the water tasting nice and not like a swimming pool...
I picked some up in Vancouver where it came highly recommended in the Mountain Equipment Co-op store, I used it with no problems every day for just under a month, purifying about 4 litres a day, in a known "beaver-fever" area.
Biggest drawback was the waiting time (5mins to mix two solutions, then waiting another 15-30 mins for it to work) and that I cant find a supplier in the UK.
Sounds interesting, because anything has to better than free chlorine or iodine!
i got a gatekeeper too, haven't used it yet though. It's more as backup. A barly used katadyn mini is comming mine way, so i will proberbly be using that one wenn i can finnaly found a person to hike with.... can't seem to find a person with the same interest here of mine age....
Dutchman
26-02-2004, 21:16
check this out, new from MSR
http://www.msrcorp.com/filters/pump_free.asp
PC, don't know if you're into scouting, but you could give it a try
http://www.scouting.nl/frontend/base/main.php
there's a scoutingclub around the corner in Delftland.
cheers
dutchman are you living close to Delft ? if you need a buddy to hike/bushcraft with, you know where to find me.
i know a couple of scouts, but they are absolutly diffrent than what i have though. No interest in bushcraft and stuff from those guys... they just joined for the beer. So i'm not joining... don't drink alcohol either...
Dutchman
28-02-2004, 01:39
nope, i'm not into scouting either. i'm waaay too old :wink:
i do not live in your neighbourhoud (sp?)
around here there is alot of water (and its not only coming out of the sky :-?
great waterways! so that's what i do to find the quiet lonely places.
sorry of topic...i think...we are still talking water i quess....aren't we? :lol:
http://www.nitro-pak.com/product_info.php/cPath/40_64/products_id/819
This is a very good piece of equipment,used it a bit no ilnesses so its all good :D
Borneo Wildman
26-08-2005, 18:55
Going back to the milbank option, I popped into my local army surplus and asked if they ever had them and the chap looked at me as if I was asking for a ww2 gas mask. He explained that the issue is now pocket filters and that millbank had long gone.
Are they reasonably easy to get hold of? Any suggestions?
Going back to the milbank option, I popped into my local army surplus and asked if they ever had them and the chap looked at me as if I was asking for a ww2 gas mask. He explained that the issue is now pocket filters and that millbank had long gone.
Are they reasonably easy to get hold of? Any suggestions?
Try Jasper at Strikeforce supplies (http://www.strikeforcesupplies.co.uk) , that was where I got my last one, comes with a little bottle of iodine and a bottle of detaste powder.
You will find them under cooking gear and they cost £16. hope this is of use to you, Leon.
Going back to the milbank option, I popped into my local army surplus and asked if they ever had them and the chap looked at me as if I was asking for a ww2 gas mask. He explained that the issue is now pocket filters and that millbank had long gone.
Are they reasonably easy to get hold of? Any suggestions?
You could also check out Ebay, I got one a couple of months back with a bottle of iodine. It wasn't new but it hadn't had a lot of use. I think it cost me around a tenner all in.
Simon
Going back to the milbank option, I popped into my local army surplus and asked if they ever had them and the chap looked at me as if I was asking for a ww2 gas mask. He explained that the issue is now pocket filters and that millbank had long gone.
Are they reasonably easy to get hold of? Any suggestions?
the milbank bag is far from dead. i know SOF sell them, and i've seen them on various other outdoor sights.
at the moment to purify my water i use a MSR mini waterworks and a Dromedary water bag, to carry my water i use a camelpak. could probably get away without taking the dromedary, but it weighs nowt, packs to less and has some good secondary uses (pillow when full, shower attachment for when yor missing some luxury). its also nice to have a back up water container.
when i get a milbank bag i'll use that & boiling instead of the MSR (nice and light/simple) unless i'm some where very out the way, which, unfortunatly, is unlikely for a while :(
beachlover
01-09-2005, 13:20
Has anyone got experience of these filters. They are selling on ebay, but from the blurb it looks like for full protection from viruses, you still need Chlorine or Iodine, so maybe the millbank bag or a mini filter is still the option.Drinksafe (http://www.drinksafe-systems.co.uk/about.html)
ChrisKavanaugh
14-09-2005, 06:00
I have no first hand experience with this system, but anecdotaly have heard good reports. We are witnessing a literal arms race in water purification not unlike rearming squadrons of Gloster Galdiators with Spitfires. The world supply of water is almost universally compromised in the face of increased demand. Future resource geopolitics, if not war over water will make the final days of fossil fuel use seem irrelevant. Katrina has taught us ( well, some of us) a severe lesson and revealed shortcomings and failures to even those with the foresight to prepare. You may have noticed the #1 priority relief item is cases of bottled water, not filters or clorine. All sytems have a maximum capacity DEPENDANT on the % of nastys and particulate junk . In the conditions found n New Orleons I wouldn't depend on ANY system. For my ETS peers, including many here the consensus now is the 72 hour rule of thumb is to short and potable water and fuel are literally our lifeblood. For Bushcrafters this sadly may soon also be felt. The options, few and imperfect may mean packing in more of the stuff, cacheing a supply for future minimal retreatment or coordinating with a large group to bring in a adequate supply for any meetups. We may soon look like those movie actors crossing a desert and slowly discarding everything but the canteen :(
jacko1066
05-05-2012, 20:35
When I go out I often filter my water through the Millbank bag and boil it. This is probably my main way of getting usable water. When I don't do this I use a Aquapure Traveller or the Military version Survivor S4i
(We have been extensively reviewing this since our first review and we do think it is better than we gave it credit, the review is being written at the moment)
I rarely use chemical purification as I just don't fancy using it when I have other choices.
When I have to drink water that does not taste too good (well, puddle etc) I use the US powdered drinks like Kool-Aid or tang, You can get them with the sugar included in the powder. This can make drinks much more palatable.
How do you guys and girls deal with your water needs?
Hi tony, I have just won a aquapure traveller water filter and spare brand new filter for 25quid, I have not found much information review wise, how is yours holding up?
I no this is a very old thread but hopefully it's still relevant!
Cheers
Steve
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Millbank and boiling for me.
I use a Sawyer Squeeze Filter: http://woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2012/03/sawyer-squeeze-water-filtration-system.html
Chemicals just take too long, especially when it's cold, and it's just not practical for me to stop and boil water when I am on the move during the day.
udamiano
07-05-2012, 13:32
I use a Katadyn Pocket Filter, and then boil the water. Chemical treatments are becoming less and less effective on certain types of protozoa (see the WHO, report on water Bourne, protozoa, especially the UK/US statistics), and the levels of chemical and metal contamination in lowland areas of industrial countries is getting higher. A good filter with an activated charcoal filter is best used in those areas.