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wolf man
16-09-2005, 17:47
Wondering if you kind folks can help me out.
I am presently trying to compose a comprehensive list/book of traps from around the world (for information only).
Have managed to collect alot of information from the excellent Natural History museum here in Oxford, but i'm sure that their is much more.
So if you guys have any images or descriptions of traps and trapping techniques from any where in the wolrd i would be very grateful for them, or links. I don't mind if they are variations of standard traps (snares, fig.4 deadfalls, fish traps etc).
Once complete (yeah right) i'd be more then happy to share it with you all.
Cheers in advance
Wolf Man
Stuart is your man for this... he has quite a collection of different traps from around the world (anyone who has seen his lecture at a BCUK meetup will know what I'm on about).
Ed
wolf man
19-09-2005, 13:37
Cheers Ed
how do i get hold of Stuart? I'm new to this site so am still learning how to use it!!!
Wolf Man :)
Hi Wolf
I have been collecting trap designs now for some time. some of them are in the gallery but not all of the gallery pictures are back up yet.
for the moment there are pictures of a san bushman snare in there and some of a sissor deadfall and a fig-4 deadfall.
when the gallery is back up properly there are many more in the archives.
I would be very intrested in seeing what yopu have collected so far to see if you have any that I have not yet come across
wolf man
19-09-2005, 13:59
Thanks Stuart
tried to have a look, but not had much luck, any directions on how i can find them.
How about old poachers traps and tricks? Any publications that you can recommend.
Wolf Man
How about old poachers traps and tricks? Any publications that you can recommend.
The poachers handbook (or the new poachers handbook as it is now) by Ian Niall is where most people start, but I would recomend The notorious poacher by G Bedson as it dispells some of the myths created the Ian Nialls book and has a wonderful chapter at the end entitled 'Making profitable use of the countryside'. Neither book is a manual, rather stories/journals of the poachers expierence..... but alot of info to be had. There are alot of books like this, most written over 100 years ago, but deffinatly a good read if you are interested in this sort of stuff.
Have a trall through the archives here as there has been alot of discussion on poaching techniques..... not really alot on traps though.
:)
Ed
The one technique i have heard of repeatedly down here in Dorset is know as the Barbed wire warren snake (its rather cruel though) . :eek:
You get 4ft of barbed wire and 40ft of standard wire , double over both lengths and attach the barbed wire to the non folded end of the normal stuff . insert a strong stick in the other end . You need 2 people to use it .
Find a burrow and thread the barbed wire end down the hole . Apparently you can feel the differance between rabbit and mud by its squishyness . once you have what you belive to be a rabbit , signal to the other guy who should be at the other end , his job is to spin the whole contraption by the stick . This should cause the barbs to entangle in the rabbits flesh and give you a good enough hold to drag it out and give the coup de grace .
I have never used this method due to its obvious crulety and lack of choice over which rabbit you get hold of (i prefer an air rifle ) .
Would definately be interested in seeing any info you get though .
Cheers
Pumbaa
Abbe Osram
19-09-2005, 18:32
I am trapping ptarmigan with a snare like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Abbe/loop.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Abbe/trap.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Abbe/ripa_01.jpg
cheers
Abbe
innocent bystander
19-09-2005, 18:44
for the moment there are pictures of a san bushman snare in there and some of a sissor deadfall and a fig-4 deadfall.
Hi Stuart, could you explain the San bushman snare a bit more - when i first saw it on telly, i couldn't quite figure out how it went together. I'm curious to see some detail on it (which bit's attached to what)...?...
bambodoggy
19-09-2005, 21:04
The one technique i have heard of repeatedly down here in Dorset is know as the Barbed wire warren snake (its rather cruel though) . :eek:
You get 4ft of barbed wire and 40ft of standard wire , double over both lengths and attach the barbed wire to the non folded end of the normal stuff . insert a strong stick in the other end . You need 2 people to use it .
Find a burrow and thread the barbed wire end down the hole . Apparently you can feel the differance between rabbit and mud by its squishyness . once you have what you belive to be a rabbit , signal to the other guy who should be at the other end , his job is to spin the whole contraption by the stick . This should cause the barbs to entangle in the rabbits flesh and give you a good enough hold to drag it out and give the coup de grace .
I have never used this method due to its obvious crulety and lack of choice over which rabbit you get hold of (i prefer an air rifle ) .
Would definately be interested in seeing any info you get though .
Cheers
Pumbaa
I'm not adverse to a spot of hunting and trapping by a long way but you're right about that being cruel....in fact I'd say it's down right barbaric!!! :eek: I'm even having a mental battle as to whether it's valid (for me personally) in a real survival situation!!!
I mean clearly it is (chances of having barbed wire in a survival situation aside) I guess I'd do it as there isn't much I wouldn't to stay alive but I'd have to be pretty darn hungry first and I'd certainly take no pleasure in doing it like that (unlike a well made and crafted trap where I get a real sense of pride from it, which is not to say I take any pleasure in the animals death).
Still, thanks for sharing..... takes all sorts I guess and glad to hear it's not something you're keen on too :)
Cheers,
Bam. :D
Hi Stuart, could you explain the San bushman snare a bit more - when i first saw it on telly, i couldn't quite figure out how it went together. I'm curious to see some detail on it (which bit's attached to what)...?...
you'll have to excuse my pathetically poor diagram, but this should make things a little clearer
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/diabolik/untitled.jpg
the red and blue lines are the trigger mechanisum, the green blobs are the bait, the brown hoop is a root pulled to the surface.
in situations where a suitable root cannot be found another method is used where a branch with a suitable off shoot is driven into the ground to form the anchore (as shown in the top right of the diagram
I'm not adverse to a spot of hunting and trapping by a long way but you're right about that being cruel....in fact I'd say it's down right barbaric!!! I'm even having a mental battle as to whether it's valid (for me personally) in a real survival situation!!!
Belive it or not the first time i heard of this technique was from a book in the school libary . It was an ancient book , but was a manual full of poaching techniques . most of them were as cruel . What supprises me is how often i have heard of this paricular technique since !
Pumbaa
the traditional method was to use a long wild rose tendril (before barbed wire was invented) this was past into the burrow via the hole you had just seen the rabbit bolt into, rabbits dont tend to bolt that far into the burrow, once inside they often stop and wait less than a meter in from the entrance, and many bolt holes are only that deep anyway (somtimes you can reach in and pull them out by hand). once you feel the rose tendril press against the rabbit you twist it around and the numerous thorns on a wild rose entangle in the rabbits fur allowing you to pull him out.
the san bushmen often carry a long flexible shaft which ends with a sharp hook this is used in the same manner to hook rabbits in there burrows and pull them out.
I think both are perfectly valid hunting techniques, being no less cruel than that of a hawk or pole cat catching a rabbit in the wild
its not a trapping technique though rather a method of hunting so perhaps a little off topic
innocent bystander
20-09-2005, 17:22
the red and blue lines are the trigger mechanisum, the green blobs are the bait, the brown hoop is a root pulled to the surface.
in situations where a suitable root cannot be found another method is used where a branch with a suitable off shoot is driven into the ground to form the anchore (as shown in the top right of the diagram
Cheers Stuart, that does clear it up. What i couldn't get my head round was a fairly flimsy stick - why it would be pulled out by the tension. But being a root explains that... :D
DOC-CANADA
21-09-2005, 06:44
Belive it or not the first time i heard of this technique was from a book in the school libary . It was an ancient book , but was a manual full of poaching techniques . most of them were as cruel . What supprises me is how often i have heard of this paricular technique since !
Pumbaa
Do you, by any chance, remember the name of the book?
:) Doc :)
Sorry , i am affraid i dont . I have been trying to find a copy , it was something along the lines of "poachers handbook/manual/guide" and it was in a definate manual form . Not a story one i have here.
If your after a copy too try the second hand book shops as i imagine it wont be re printed ! Or failling that if you know anyone with kids at Hardye's school in dorchester , ask them for a favour if you know what i mean ;)
Pumbaa
Sorry just realised your in Canada so the later might not be a viable option , if i manage to get hold of a copy , i will post the details
DOC-CANADA
21-09-2005, 08:34
Thanks, pumbaa.
:) DOC-CANADA :)
8thsinner
05-02-2006, 08:11
In the last two months one one forum I go to, there was a link to a fantastic online trapping and snare book, quite old and scanned in. But great to look through, If I manage to find it again I will let you know.
DOC-CANADA
05-02-2006, 13:38
In the last two months one one forum I go to, there was a link to a fantastic online trapping and snare book, quite old and scanned in. But great to look through, If I manage to find it again I will let you know.
Is this the one?
Camp Life in the Woods and the Tricks of Trapping and Trap Making
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17093/17093-h/17093-h.htm
This is a paiute deadfall.
http://www4.gvsu.edu/triert/images14/paiutedeadfall4b.jpg
http://www4.gvsu.edu/triert/images14/paiutedeadfall3b.jpg
And ... Did you caught the knife Hoodoo??? ;) :lmao:
Tor helge
05-02-2006, 21:07
This is one used to catch fieldfares.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid141/p6d276f13c70fc489ee0958f2bbffe ac8/f6cc489d.jpg
Traditionally the string was made of horse hair (tail) from a stallion. Mares pee in their tail making the string brittle.
The bait is rowan berries, and the snare was hung up in or around rowan trees. Preferably after the first snow.
Tor
8thsinner
07-02-2006, 05:35
Is this the one?
Camp Life in the Woods and the Tricks of Trapping and Trap Making
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17093/17093-h/17093-h.htm
Thats the one doc, thank you.
And ... Did you caught the knife Hoodoo??? ;) :lmao:
That's what I used for bait! :1244: