What tang poll?

[Stuart]

I've seen a lot of polls to decide the blade shape etc of daves new bushcraftuk exclusive knife.

very intresting

will there be a poll to decide the tang type??

[larry the spark]

I've been helping Dave with the drawings and from what I can gather its going to be a full stick/rat tail tang if thats the correct terminology. This is the only style his bladesmith does so there is no need for a poll.... full tang aint gonna happen!

[Adi007]

I'm still not sold on a rat tail tang ... I guess I just saw too many tools lose their handles (files, sickles and so on) as a kid! :shock:

Am I missing something?

[Stuart]

so this knife is going to be a puukko, by the look of the poles it'll have the same handle shape and material as the wolverine but with a spear point blade

any chance of differental tempering?? will the blade be forged, ground or bought?

[larry the spark]

Dave Said:

Firstly the knife is NOT going to be full tang ( and if it is then sorry your speaking to the wrong guy )

Secondly I have no intention of " making another woodlore clone" I have never copied a design in my life and do not intend to do it now. I could design a blade for you lot myself, and a shaft and everything else that goes with it, but thought that seeing I was thinking of making something then you may as well get exactly what you want.

So here is the guts of it:

The blade design, shaft design and grind will be based on the results of the poll (possibly with some minor alterations), and the knife will be Stick tang. The shaft will be fully waterproofed wood. I am not designing or making a scandi knife. ( as far as the tradition side of things go this is not allowed due to scandi blades being laminated)The knife will be scandi influenced in style... sheath and all.

I am not a blade maker, I am sending these away to someone else. Making a few blades to the same specs will be quicker and cheaper than if we make one blade of this design and one of that.



Hope the above quote taken from the blades poll answers some questions.

Dave sent me pm today saying he will get two blades prototyped, most likely no.1 (drop point to martins specifications on poll) and no.3 (spear point) for Tony to test (lucky, lucky man!). Poll ends Friday noon.

The guy making the blade is I think Frank Docherty.

The sheath will be a scandi influenced design with hopefully a bit of scandi scrollwork stamped into it. Oh.....and a firesteel holder is a definite. Dave just needs someone to send him one for dimensions

BTW, Dave if you read this, hope you don't mind me answering these questions but thoght I'd help out :-D Hope this info is correct :-?

[larry the spark]

Thanks Tone! Phew, made the edit...anyone see ya think?!?

[Stew]

I'm still not sold on a rat tail tang ... I guess I just saw too many tools lose their handles (files, sickles and so on) as a kid! :shock:

Am I missing something?

Get Stuart to e-mail you his video clips! It might help sway you!!

Just looked at them - very impressive Stu! :biggthump

[Tony]

Thanks Tone! Phew, made the edit...anyone see ya think?!?

Nope :rolmao:

[Dave Barker]

Thanks Larry!

There is always talk about thing loosing their handles when they have a stick tang.

I think that it is important to explain that when I make a knife with a blade of 10 cm, there is a minimum tang length of 7 cm inside the handle.

The transition between shaft and blade is tight, by this i mean that it is not just drilled out and filled with epoxy. The hole is drilled and the material is removes by a small saw to open the hole and then by the use of needle files. The gap around the actual blade and edge of the shaft is prolly less than 0.5 mm in total. This is very time consuming.

In addition to this the tang of the blade is shaped conically, and forms a point at the end. This acts as an anker. When the blade is finally chemically fixed into the shaft the tang is forced into the hole made by the drill ( the tang is usually a little thicker so that the fit is tight)

I do not make through going tangs as a rule. if you want them then I will need to buy a drill press, and unfortunately cost will go up.




so this knife is going to be a puukko, by the look of the poles it'll have the same handle shape and material as the wolverine but with a spear point blade



NO! :-x I am not copying design, colour and as for materials well,, I guess that 95 % of all scandi knives are birch. I have offered to colour the shafts 2 tone should anyone want to get in touch and let me know what colours they want.

I am not after making a wolverine copy, neither will I make a woodlre, helle, Ws, brusletto or any other type of copyor clone. The shaft is designed by YOU LOT, but ultimately they will likely differ slightly.

Please remember that the shafts are carved from a block of wood. They are neither formed on a sander or a machine. They are Finished by hand and the sheaths will be made to fit each knife individually and hand sewn and formed.

If people want a wolverine... the Stuart at Kellam is your man, if you want a WS then contact them.

The blade is removed and will likely be 01. These to are entirely made by hand, formed with a hacksaw and a ****load of elbow grease, they are professionally ht'd.

The blade will be etched lightly. Frank bases the patterning on the old style SEAX blades and this will add a little something to the blade, they are hand rubbed and satin finished so there is no problem with coating of wax or high gloss. We are also talking about etching BCUK and a number onto each blade, and also embossing the same onto each sheath.

Price, well, sad to say that we can not compete price wize with th likes of Kellam, and the rest of the guys that make these knives by the 100 or 1000. Each knife is hand styled, coloured sanded and finished, It takes time to make these and the prices will be likely higher than some of the other knives on the market.

The blades will be made and tested regardless of whether or not this knife actually comes into being or not. If not then we'll design something else and market it elsewhere.

THIS KNIFE IS FOR BCUK MEMBERS ONLY it will not be widely available. Come on guys have some faith in us eh!

[Hoodoo]

Are we talking tangs? Is there a poll somewhere? My favorite is the mortised and pinned tang. Best of all worlds, eh?

Here's a new one from Allan Blade that he's just developing, which he calls his Field Puukko.

http://outdoors.free.fr/images/Schwert_Field%20Pukko.jpg

[Dave Barker]

The only tang we are talking about is a stick tang. The only polls we are talking about is for shaft shape and blade shape.

[Hoodoo]

Ok, I see it now. I missed the initial reply. Is there another thread where the idea for this knife was first brought up?

[larry the spark]

Yep there is. Try looking at 'what do bushcraft boys look for in a blade' in the edged tools forum.

[Stuart]

"so this knife is going to be a puukko, by the look of the poles it'll have the same handle shape and material as the wolverine but with a spear point blade"

NO! I am not copying design, colour and as for materials well,, I guess that 95 % of all scandi knives are birch. I have offered to colour the shafts 2 tone should anyone want to get in touch and let me know what colours they want.

I am not after making a wolverine copy, neither will I make a woodlre, helle, Ws, brusletto or any other type of copyor clone. The shaft is designed by YOU LOT, but ultimately they will likely differ slightly.

Sorry Dave i didnt mean to imply that you were making a wolverine copy i just meant that going by the poles it will, in apperance have the same handle shape but with a spear point

I was just trying to get an overall idea of what it was going to look like using knifes i have seen as a comparison

your knife will infact be very different from the wolverine in that it will not have hough the handle tang, the blade will be a different shape and the temper will be different

I for one am looking forward in seeing your finnished knifes, it sounds very intresting

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