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Virgil
17-07-2011, 09:32
Slightly different approach here... this is not a group buy for any one item but I am attempting to raise enough buys to make a wholesale purchase from www.gisurplus.co.uk. In a nutshell, the minimum order value is £150 (PLUS VAT and POSTAGE!). Bear in mind, there is a limited unit order (normally 5-10) for each item, hence the group buy. I am specifically interested in the sheepskin lined wool greatcoats (cheapest I found them anywhere else is £79.99) which are £45, and the alpenflage mountain suits (look good for hunting...cheapest I could find them was a set on ebay for total of about £26, or £6.95 wholesale!). However, there are also many other goodies including russian blankets and what looks like '44 pattern mugs. If anyone is interested, post up and I'll see if it's do-able. I will then ask people to commit when I've done the maths. It will make it easiest for me if three people want a coat and a set of camo, but we'll see...

nitrambur
17-07-2011, 11:28
Just a warning about the pizza-cam/alpenflage suit, the hood is designed for use with a helmet, it's massive, and the waterproofing on the legs is a plastic coating that tends to peel off

ged
17-07-2011, 12:17
That's a good find! At those prices I'm interested in a few kilos of paracord...

http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/product.php/257/parachute-cord

Let's just hope it's the real deal. :)

mrcairney
17-07-2011, 12:21
Another thing about ordering clothing from there is you don't get size choices, it just comes and you get what you're given. However, for kit it might be good. I'll keep my eye on this and see what happens

Virgil
17-07-2011, 12:23
Thanks for the warning! Didn't even realise there was a plastic coating on them. Never mind, more than enough goodies to buy anyway. Forgot to mention the unissued Bulgarian wool great coats. £50 for five? I'd probably be up for one of them too. Hadn't seen paracord but have now....! Just to reiterate, the prices on the site do not include VAT or postage so add at least 20% - still a bargain though.

g4ghb
17-07-2011, 12:24
This (http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/product.php/729/swedish-army-wood-burning-stove) might be a popular item......

Virgil
17-07-2011, 12:25
Oh yeah, as for sizes, there's no guarantee, but I'd be happy to front the cash and sell to anyone for the break even price if their size was there...

ged
17-07-2011, 12:49
Damn you for finding this! :rofl:

http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/product.php/267/wholesale-bulk-french-army-olive-2-man-tents
http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/product.php/867/wholesale-canvas-folding-wash-bowl
http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/product.php/247/ground-sheets-2-x-3-meters
http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/product.php/1006/french-parachutes-in-need-of-repair-olive-and-white
http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/section.php/22/1/wholesale-bulk-ammo-boxes-jerry-cans

Virgil
17-07-2011, 13:03
I'm good at spending money on man stuff. My money, other people's money....I just don't care....

Humpback
17-07-2011, 16:01
I'd be interested in a Norgi container http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/product.php/724/norwegian-thermal-food-container-flask Grade 1 without trays. These are excellent for keeping food cool over several days.

Virgil
17-07-2011, 16:04
Ok, no problem. Just one I suppose? If people could put how many of what they want, I can work out when we've got a bundle's worth...

Trojan
18-07-2011, 15:32
Hi

Have you checked they will sell to you as it does say Trade Only??

Good find though

Trojan

Virgil
18-07-2011, 17:35
Yes, all confirmed. They will deal with me subject to minimum order value. I think it might be best if people put up what they're after and how much it is (pre-VAT). Then as soon as we hit £150, i'll order it. I'll weigh in first with my wool and sheepskin coat - £45....

ged
18-07-2011, 18:30
Yes, all confirmed. They will deal with me subject to minimum order value. I think it might be best if people put up what they're after and how much it is (pre-VAT). Then as soon as we hit £150, i'll order it. I'll weigh in first with my wool and sheepskin coat - £45....

Put me down for two parachutes, five kilos of the paracord and a pack of the 2mx3m groundsheets.

I could use a couple of the wash bowls (but not ten of them), a couple of large .50 cal ammo boxes but not five, and I'd be pleased to get one of the French tents but I really don't want five of them, so let's see if anyone else wants to chip in.

Happy to send you a cheque whenever you've got your order together. Chutes, cord and groundsheets will post OK. If we start doing ammo boxes then we might need to sort out transport and storage arrangements, but let's see what transpires. Hope you've got plenty of space in your garage... :)

Mesquite
18-07-2011, 18:45
I'd be interested in a Norgi container http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/product.php/724/norwegian-thermal-food-container-flask Grade 1 without trays. These are excellent for keeping food cool over several days.

Now that is something I'd be interested in as well but the problem would be postage.

Virgil
18-07-2011, 20:36
Thanks pal, I make that £87.50 (plus VAT and delivery). Does that tally? I suggest that I get it delivered to whoever has the biggest order maybe? That will minimise postage costs... Don't mind really but just makes sense not to pay twice for postage. Appreciate that people might not want to take that on so happy to do it myself if required.... We'll see what makes up the bulk of order....

ged
18-07-2011, 20:44
Thanks pal, I make that £87.50 (plus VAT and delivery). Does that tally?

Agreed.


I suggest that I get it delivered to whoever has the biggest order maybe? That will minimise postage costs... Don't mind really but just makes sense not to pay twice for postage. Appreciate that people might not want to take that on so happy to do it myself if required.... We'll see what makes up the bulk of order....

That makes sense. In addition, if we do get carried away and it all ends up here, 'here' is a warehouse so temporary storage won't be a problem. :)

Virgil
19-07-2011, 09:42
Great. Can I consider that a commitment to buy when the £150 is reached? If so, only £18 to go...

ged
19-07-2011, 09:48
Great. Can I consider that a commitment to buy when the £150 is reached?...

Yes, you can.

The Lord Poncho
19-07-2011, 10:27
Ill go for a parachute (in need of repair- code Z39c) -http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/product.php/1006/french-parachutes-in-need-of-repair-olive-and-white - in Olive please- can pay you either via cheque or paypal?

Virgil
19-07-2011, 10:30
Ok, i'll leave the thread running for a day or two to see if there's any more interest... By the way, since you have the bulk of the order at the moment, can you pm me your address for dispatch, then I propose we total up the cost of postage to you, and onward despatches, and divy it up appropriately between total number of orders (at the moment, two!) according to order size. Let me know if you're ok with that. Don't suppose you're interested in russian blankets? Lord Poncho, just seen your post.... commitment to buy? If so, I'll have some para cord too, and we're good to go.... Would suggest easiest way for all transactions is paypal if people are good with that....

Jock
19-07-2011, 18:03
Hi
I'd take two of the big Dutch army bags Product Code: L14b (but do they only sell them 5 at a time?)

ged
19-07-2011, 19:58
Please add one pack of each of these to my order:

Product Code: L69 "Large Heavy Cotton Bed Sheet/Sack"

Product Code: K48 "Plastic/Vinyl compactable wash bowl"

FGYT
19-07-2011, 20:01
That's a good find! At those prices I'm interested in a few kilos of paracord...

http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/shop/product.php/257/parachute-cord

Let's just hope it's the real deal. :)

cant say for sure but the picture dosnt look like the real stuff looks to course a weave

ATB

Duncan

FGYT
19-07-2011, 20:03
thought i recognized them they are just down the road from me at Bournemouth airport ;)

ged
19-07-2011, 20:09
Ok, i'll leave the thread running for a day or two to see if there's any more interest... By the way, since you have the bulk of the order at the moment, can you pm me your address for dispatch

I'll post it here so everyone knows where the stuff will be going! It's my office address so no worries about the whole world knowing it - it already does. :)

http://www.jubileegroup.co.uk/JOS/JOScontact.html

In that case I wonder if it might be better if I place the order, then the payment and delivery addresses will be the same and the supplier won't think somebody is trying to pull a fast one.


... I propose we total up the cost of postage to you, and onward despatches, and divy it up appropriately...

Sounds fair enough, although if it all comes here I can weigh it all and get the exact postage charges.


Don't suppose you're interested in russian blankets?

You know, I was just looking at them! What's your fancy?


...suggest the easiest way for all transactions is paypal if people are good with that....

I don't know if my measly paypal account will stand it but I'll think of something. :)

Virgil
19-07-2011, 20:50
Thought it was a bit cheeky to suggest that but if you're happy to order and pay, it might make more sense. Seems we're well into the minimum order now anyway. Spoke to them today, and they're willing to supply me with a specified size of the sheepskin lined coat, and postage costs up to 35 kgs (we should fall into this category) are £10 which seems to be a bargain to me. I would be interested in two russian blankets.... And if you're happy to place the order, I can paypal you my share at least - might bolster your measly total!! I am toying with the idea of ordering a sheepskin lined coat in medium and large just to guarantee a fit, and I will 'bay the other one or sell it on here at cost price....

Oh and I might take a couple of cotton sacks off your hands, unless you had plans for all of them.....

Jock: Yes only five at a time I think....

ged
19-07-2011, 21:15
Thought it was a bit cheeky to suggest that but if you're happy to order and pay, it might make more sense.

No problem.


Spoke to them today, and they're willing to supply me with a specified size of the sheepskin lined coat, and postage costs up to 35 kgs (we should fall into this category) are £10 which seems to be a bargain to me. I would be interested in two russian blankets....

We'll order a pack of those then. :)


if you're happy to place the order, I can paypal you my share at least - might bolster your measly total!! I am toying with the idea of ordering a sheepskin lined coat in medium and large just to guarantee a fit, and I will 'bay the other one or sell it on here at cost price....

Will you go through the thread and put the final order together and post it on the thread, including the userids of the buyers and your specifications agreed with the supplier? Then we can all check it to see it's what we want and I can pull it straight off the screen to order it.


Oh and I might take a couple of cotton sacks off your hands, unless you had plans for all of them.....

Well I was going to give them to SWMBO, she likes any kind of fabric. We'll order two packs. :)

Virgil
20-07-2011, 02:40
The edited up to date list as of 21/07/2011, 10:53....

Ged, TBH, I am not dead set on the cotton sacks, only if you had some going spare that you didn't have a use for.

5 Olive Green Parachutes @ £15.00 each (Ged, Lord Poncho, silent bob and Virgil)
6kg paracord @ £8.00 each (Ged and one for Virgil)
5 groundsheets @ £3.50 each (Ged)
10 plastic/vinyl washbowls @ 1.00 each (Ged)
5 heavy duty cotton sacks @ £2.95 each (Ged)
5 Russian blankets @ £7.95 each (3 for Ged, 2 for Virgil)
2 sheepskin lined grey wool greatcoats (1 sz med, 1 sz lge) @ £45.00 each (Virgil)

This totals £295 plus VAT and breaks down as follows: Virgil, £128.90 plus VAT, Ged, £136.10 plus VAT, Lord Poncho, £15.00 plus VAT, silent bob, £15.00 plus VAT. Obviously, postage to be added....

The Lord Poncho
20-07-2011, 08:56
Yes- please definitely put me down for a £15 parachute- code Z39c- in Olive please! Happy to pay up front if that would ease your finances.....Although calculating postage may be tricky that way.

treadlightly
20-07-2011, 09:07
Why oh why did I open this thread????

treadlightly
20-07-2011, 10:42
Mantra for the day: "I do not need a wool coat, particularly I do not need a sheepskin lined wool coat".

Virgil
20-07-2011, 15:55
Haven't you heard? Everyone's got one. They're all the rage. You're nobody if you haven't got a sheepskin lined wool coat. Apparently, every time someone decides not to buy one, a puppy dies. You wouldn't want that, would you?

silentbob
20-07-2011, 22:15
If it is not too late I'd like to put in an order for an olive green parachute please - code Z39C.

Virgil
21-07-2011, 11:04
Ok, I've edited and updated the shopping list and with a total of almost three hundred quid, we're good to go. Ged, ok to order now? If people are paying by paypal, I would suggest that we all make two payments - one for goods, initial postage and VAT, and a second for the onwards postage from ged....

Humpback
21-07-2011, 12:18
Slightly different approach here... this is not a group buy for any one item but I am attempting to raise enough buys to make a wholesale purchase from www.gisurplus.co.uk (http://www.gisurplus.co.uk/). In a nutshell, the minimum order value is £150 (PLUS VAT and POSTAGE!). Bear in mind, there is a limited unit order (normally 5-10) for each item, hence the group buy. I am specifically interested in the sheepskin lined wool greatcoats (cheapest I found them anywhere else is £79.99) which are £45, and the alpenflage mountain suits (look good for hunting...cheapest I could find them was a set on ebay for total of about £26, or £6.95 wholesale!). However, there are also many other goodies including russian blankets and what looks like '44 pattern mugs. If anyone is interested, post up and I'll see if it's do-able. I will then ask people to commit when I've done the maths. It will make it easiest for me if three people want a coat and a set of camo, but we'll see...

I expressed interest in an old style Norgi the price of which I am happy with however I don't yet know the cost of postage or whether collection will be feasible. Please don't order on the strength of my "expression of interest". Sorry I need more information before I commit to buy.

ged
21-07-2011, 12:32
Ok, I've edited and updated the shopping list and with a total of almost three hundred quid, we're good to go. Ged, ok to order now?

Yes, however I would like to just check that everyone who's ordering parachutes is aware that the ones at 15 quid will have some tears/defects in them. There is another product code for those without tears but they're more money. There were a couple of people asking about parachutes in a separate thread (a bit rushed just now but when I have time I'll post a link to the thread) and I wonder if we can give them an opportunity to say yea or nay before I order.


If people are paying by paypal, I would suggest that we all make two payments - one for goods, initial postage and VAT, and a second for the onwards postage from ged....

Don't worry about that. I'm happy to place the order and get one payment when I've weight it all for postage. I'll be paying by credit card anyway, so the money isn't going to be leaving my bank account for a couple of weeks.

Have to dash now unfortunately, work beckons. Should easily be able to check back in before tea-time.

Virgil
21-07-2011, 13:31
Thanks Ged, appreciated - well I'm aware.... so if Lord Poncho and silent bob can confirm, we can get cracking

The Lord Poncho
21-07-2011, 13:54
Cheers for sorting all of this chaps. Yes- i'm aware the £15 parachutes will likely need repairs- i have a sewing machine on standby, and a few spare patches of ripstop......

Besides, i'll make sure someone else gets the seat under the torn bit... ;)

Virgil
21-07-2011, 15:11
Or simply hand out a selection of wide brimmed hats to everyone in your shelter.... Just silent bob to confirm then....

ged
21-07-2011, 16:07
Just checking in before placing the order.

Virgil, please can you confirm that the sheepskin lined greatcoat is code B136?

Virgil
21-07-2011, 16:45
That's the one thanks! When you order, if you could tell them i'm 6 ft and slim build but order a large and a medium just to make sure. It's a bit of a faff for a wholesale company but since our order is almost £300, they should be happy to help....

silentbob
21-07-2011, 22:16
Yep, I'm aware the 'chute will need a few repairs. I'm definitely in. Thanks for organising it.

ged
21-07-2011, 22:43
Yep, I'm aware the 'chute will need a few repairs. I'm definitely in. Thanks for organising it.


Oh, good show, I'll place the order in the morning then.

G'night all. :sleeping:

ged
22-07-2011, 10:31
... I'll place the order in the morning then. ...

Well I would if they'd answer the bloomin' 'phone!

Virgil, have you had any trouble getting through to them?

ged
22-07-2011, 13:29
Well I would if they'd answer the bloomin' 'phone!

Don't worry, order placed now. I think I caught BT at an off moment, I don't think it was the supplier's fault.

Virgil
22-07-2011, 15:50
No I haven't ever had a problem...but problem apparently solved! Thanks ged, and pm me your paypal address and i'll zap the money through as a gift (no charges then) when you know what the postage is....

ged
22-07-2011, 16:32
No I haven't ever had a problem...but problem apparently solved! Thanks ged, and pm me your paypal address and i'll zap the money through as a gift (no charges then) when you know what the postage is....


Sure, he said it would probably be 15 quid shipping via overnight carrier, expected delivery Monday, but he'd call back if there would be any change to that plan.

TBH he seemed a bit vague on some of the items and I wasn't convinced that he remembered talking to you about the coat sizes but he was OK with it.

Also I asked him about Para boots and sizes but decided to give it a miss. Apparently they get a spread between about sizes six and ten with more in the middle of the range so very little chance of getting a high proportion which would be useful for the, er, bulk of the folks on here. :)

Virgil
22-07-2011, 19:28
Are you saying that we all have freakishly big feet?! Thanks for all that - time will tell as to order success! Looking forward to Monday...

ged
25-07-2011, 10:14
Update:

A number of cartons just arrived. I'll be opening them shortly to check the contents. :)



Are you saying that we all have freakishly big feet?! Thanks for all that - time will tell as to order success! Looking forward to Monday...

Yep. :)

The Lord Poncho
25-07-2011, 11:03
Excellent! That was quick service!

ged
25-07-2011, 11:09
Excellent! That was quick service!

Not bad at all, was it?

You'd better all PM your addresses to me so I can get the stuff packed and off. Might be pushing it today as I have some prior work commitments but they should be out tomorrow unless some customer has another computer disaster.

The Lord Poncho
25-07-2011, 11:20
PM sent- thanks for this- very much appreciated!

ged
25-07-2011, 15:54
... cartons just arrived. I'll be opening them shortly ...

Everything I ordered was there, plus a rather nice pair of trousers that I didn't order. They won't fit me and I'm pretty sure they won't fit Virgil either, so are there any heavy-set giraffes in this group buy? Failing that there's the Gift-It-On.

Virgil, I have a couple of spare cotton sacks (mattress covers) if you want them. :) Your box at the moment is crammed almost full and I haven't weighed it yet but I'm sure it's going to have to go on a carrier. Will we need to discuss the timing of the delivery so someone will be there to sign for it?

The parachutes are a bit heavier than I expected. They weigh about 4.3kg each, so postage is going to be pricey. The best I've seen so far is £10.37 for one chute at Royal Mail packet rate, which has a three day delivery target. How does that sound?

The parachute condition is variable, I haven't looked at them closely because they're absolutely enormous but it looks like they've suffered some damage before being taken out of service in addition to any later deliberate cuts to prevent them from ever being used as originally designed. I'm sure they'll patch up easily enough. I don't know what the fabric is, but I saw a date stamp '1951' one of them so I'm wondering how much man-made fibres were used at that time.

The chute cords have been snipped off leaving about 18 inches of cord on the chute, the exact length apparently depending on how the operative felt on the day.

I'm just waiting for Silentbob's address now. Don't be so silent, Bob! :)

silentbob
26-07-2011, 15:37
Sorry - been away for a couple of days. PM on its way!

ged
26-07-2011, 18:10
Sorry - been away for a couple of days. PM on its way!

No worries, your parcel is in the dispatch bay allready to go in the morning. :)

UPDATE:

All the parcels are ready to go, booked for collection tomorrow. GI sent me the cost breakdown (30 quid shipping) and I've paid for the onward shipping (I managed to get it a bit cheaper than I said at first:)) so here's my take on the total costs. I propose we apportion the GI shipping at a tenner each for Virgil and me, and a fiver each for the others since they only had a chute. If you're agreeable that makes it

Virgil: 152.80 WRONGWRONGWRONG
Silentbob and LordPoncho: 27.80 each. WRONGWRONGWRONG

I'll PM you my paypal address very shortly.

We should definitely have bought some of those insulated food containers. They're going like hot cakes on another thread. :)

Oh, hang on -- I forgot the VAT. Those numbers are wrong. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible. :confused:

Revised numbers including VAT on the goods (it was included in the shipping which is what confused me)

Virgil: 179.80
Silentbob, LordPoncho: 30.80 each.

I think that's right now. Please check my arithmetic, it was 7.80 shipping for each parcel from here. Yes, it was the same price for all three which is weird because Virgil's parcel weighs five times as much as the others!

Virgil
26-07-2011, 20:28
Many thanks mate, looking forward to parcel....check your paypal, should have all come through....

rik_uk3
28-07-2011, 04:26
GED, check interparcel, its £9 overnight delivery for 5Kg and they pick up from you, no post office trip

http://www.interparcel.com/

silentbob
29-07-2011, 16:49
Parachute arrived today - only a couple of small rips to repair - well impressed!

spandit
29-07-2011, 16:57
In future, I've had good service from www.collectmyparcel.com (no affiliation, just a satisfied customer)

Virgil
31-07-2011, 20:27
Just got back from weekend away to find parcel. Well pleased with items and ged....awesome packaging skills! Many thanks for your time and trouble.

The Lord Poncho
01-08-2011, 08:40
Ged- parcel arrived on Friday (sorry not had access to a computer over the weekend)- nicely packaged, and a great parachute! Huge thing, in good nick, and because it’s French, it doesn't have any of the mesh panels which the British ones have!

Smashing bit of kit, and my toddler and her friend loved rushing around inside it on Saturday. Thanks for taking this task on, and achieving it with such aplomb!

treadlightly
02-08-2011, 18:56
Just got back from weekend away to find parcel. Well pleased with items and ged....awesome packaging skills! Many thanks for your time and trouble.

Virgil, I know its 24c at the moment, but what are your impressions of the sheepskin lined wool coat?

Virgil
04-08-2011, 16:34
Awesome! TBH, I bought a large and a medium to hedge my bets a bit - the medium is a bit tight under the arms, otherwise good, and the large is slightly too broad across the shoulders (i'm tall and waif-like!), other wise good. However, my girlfriend's father is a tailor and the quality is so good, I'm actually going to pay to have the shoulders on the larger one brought in a bit. This was supposed to be a budget buy but the quality is so good, it's worth getting it perfect. Coat for life...

treadlightly
04-08-2011, 17:46
Awesome! TBH, I bought a large and a medium to hedge my bets a bit - the medium is a bit tight under the arms, otherwise good, and the large is slightly too broad across the shoulders (i'm tall and waif-like!), other wise good. However, my girlfriend's father is a tailor and the quality is so good, I'm actually going to pay to have the shoulders on the larger one brought in a bit. This was supposed to be a budget buy but the quality is so good, it's worth getting it perfect. Coat for life...

Thanks mate. I'm 5' 10" 12.5 stone with a 42" chest. Do you reckon the large would be best?

Virgil
05-08-2011, 19:41
Reckon so - I'm 6'1", 12.5 stone, 38" chest, and large is slightly too big across shoulders so would probably fit you perfectly. Are you thinking of going wholesale or retail? Cheapest retail I found was on www.fu-kit.co.uk for 79.99. Think they are a bit more precise with sizing than the wholesaler... if you want to quote it, the large size I have is a 24" pit to pit on the front...

ged
06-08-2011, 13:28
GED, check interparcel...


...I've had good service from collectmyparcel.com...

Thanks both, a former colleague came up with another one of these services too, parcel2go.com and they all seem to be pretty good. Worth watching the prices though, as when I tried to send all three parcels in one consignment it worked out a LOT more expensive than sending one at a time. The cynic in me tells me that isn't an accident...

ged
06-08-2011, 13:33
Parachute arrived today - only a couple of small rips to repair - well impressed!


Just got back from weekend away to find parcel. Well pleased with items and ged....awesome packaging skills! Many thanks for your time and trouble.


Ged- parcel arrived on Friday (sorry not had access to a computer over the weekend)- nicely packaged, and a great parachute! Huge thing, in good nick, and because it’s French, it doesn't have any of the mesh panels which the British ones have!

Smashing bit of kit, and my toddler and her friend loved rushing around inside it on Saturday. Thanks for taking this task on, and achieving it with such aplomb!

Glad you all got your parcels, and sorry that with being away I wasn't able to follow up on your query Steve (Virgil). Next time I'll try to arrange my travel so it doesn't interfere with these Group Buys. :rofl:

Speaking of next time, SWMBO is also well impressed with the 'chutes and she hasn't even seen one yet! So I'm thinking of another order soon if anyone is interested.

cave_dweller
06-08-2011, 16:57
So I'm thinking of another order soon if anyone is interested.

Yes please! I missed getting an order in by about half an hour - if you plan on another one, there are a few bits I'd be interested in (parachute, paracord, plus more!).

khimbar
06-08-2011, 17:20
So I'm thinking of another order soon if anyone is interested.

I am! If you do one!

Virgil
06-08-2011, 20:11
Oh no. I've created a monster. An expensive monster. I'm looking again.

Prez_Gee
18-08-2011, 04:16
New to forum. dutch sleep system, swedish arctic smock

OliveDrabnotDPM
29-08-2011, 18:13
Found this thread way too late for the first order but I'm building a bit of a list now if another order is in the pipeline.......
Duncan

Prez_Gee
03-09-2011, 20:38
Dutch sleep sytem ???????????????????

Nick