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does any of you good lads know where i can get one of the swedish army surplus rucksacks,the one i am after is the larger one with the external frame .i have tried for some time to get one of these with no luck .there are not many outlets for this kind of thing in scotland.i would imagine someone on the forum would know of a surplus store maybe down south or elswhere .cheers lads .
does any of you good lads know where i can get one of the swedish army surplus rucksacks,the one i am after is the larger one with the external frame .i have tried for some time to get one of these with no luck .there are not many outlets for this kind of thing in scotland.i would imagine someone on the forum would know of a surplus store maybe down south or elswhere .cheers lads .
The 35l external frame sacks (see posts passim) are to be had from Surplus and Adventure (if you trust them enought to order - I've been fine.
No idea where the 70l ones can be sourced (if that's what you mean)
If you find some, lemme know :D
Jim.
Bumblebee
21-08-2005, 13:31
Is it this one you are looking for?
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/355/ryggsacklk70low7iv.jpg
Are they any good?
I can get them in unissued condition for approx £35 each in Sweden, but the shipping cost is not going to be cheap... However I am getting another batch of stainless steel mess kits so I could include some of these (at cost!). PM me if you are interested.
Tommy Bumblebee, The Swedish Connection! :D
i knew you lads would know a connection.bumblebee i would be delighted if you could get me one of these and a stainless set would be excellent as well .cuold you be so kind as to price me postage by airmail from sweden.cheers mate
lardbloke
21-08-2005, 16:18
I would also love one of those Bergens, depending on costs of course.....
Is it this one you are looking for?
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/355/ryggsacklk70low7iv.jpg
Are they any good?
I can get them in unissued condition for approx £35 each in Sweden, but the shipping cost is not going to be cheap... However I am getting another batch of stainless steel mess kits so I could include some of these (at cost!). PM me if you are interested.
These packs are great, I have been using one for over a year now and I love it. The downside with these packs are the weight since they weigh around 4kg, but they can take a lot of beating. The army has used them sinxe the 60´s and they are still in use by some units. There is also a newer model wich is a 100L model.
The founder of Fjällräven has deigned this pack for the army but was made by Sacci that still today makes all the army rucksacks.
Bumblebee
21-08-2005, 19:25
:eek: :eek: It's the stainless steel mess kit nightmare again :eek: :eek:
Tomorrow morning there will be at least 17 more me too's, and in a few days I have to charter a maersk tanker. :p :rolleyes: :D
No promises here at all, OK? I will check shipping alternatives etc during next week and post the results here.
And for those who don't know me I am just a ordinary user (Swedish but living in the UK) who did a group buy for Swedish army stainless steel mess kits. I don't have a company etc, I just know a company selling Swedish army surplus.
Tantalus
21-08-2005, 19:47
ummmm no i am not going to volounteer but
there are serious reductions to be had by buying stuff in bulk
all it takes is one member to collect the money in advance and take reciept of the package when it arrives, then divvy it up and disperse it by snail mail within the UK
you could even save the postage by meeting up at one of the moots organised
of course it is a trust thing, i reccomend dealing with long time members and getting adresses and phone numbers out of people before sending money
it really does save a fortune though
Tant
lardbloke
21-08-2005, 20:04
i reccomend dealing with long time members
Thats a little unfair, it doesnt matter how long you have been on a forum as long as you give the supplier your details and it would be easier to deal through an electronic means i.e PayPal etc so that it can be paid through a credit card for safety reasons and different currencies...
Tantalus
21-08-2005, 20:12
sorry didnt mean to upset
just trying to inject a note of caution before everyone sends money off into the ether
Tant
lardbloke
21-08-2005, 20:45
Thats ok my friend, none taken.......
I thought Tommy owned a shipping company! ;)
Big Geordie
23-08-2005, 00:21
What about a bulk purchase of a shipping company then Tommy could do this regularly? Or have I had one too many whiskies? Now bulk purchase of whisky might be interesting.......
George :)
:eek: :eek: It's the stainless steel mess kit nightmare again :eek: :eek:
Tomorrow morning there will be at least 17 more me too's, and in a few days I have to charter a maersk tanker.
Colour me included, if you decide to do it (and if the shipping costs don't send the price too silly)... I love my 35, but a hyouwge one would be ace.
As last time - if you want any assistance with distribution, I'll do what I can. Given the bulk, I expect this to be a bigger issue this time - it may genuinely be cheaper to distribute from a few local centres by "bush post" (= hand delivery), and it'll split the packing work.
Jim.
Bumblebee
23-08-2005, 15:04
OK, I spoke to the company and here's the deal:
If I buy 10 LK-70 I get them for 41.50 each shipped to my door, Standard Parcel shipping is 8.50 each so it's an even £50 delivered to you.
Buying less than 10 makes the price £50 each + shipping within the UK = 58.50.
Minumum order size is 5 rucksacks.
Could everybody interested post here and clearly state if you are still interested if the total count is less than 10. For stainless steel mess kits & matching kuksas see this post (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=7543).
Bumblebee
24-08-2005, 10:29
Not even one "I'm interested" post!? :confused:
Could everybody interested post here and clearly state if you are still interested if the total count is less than 10.
Hmm, I am still interested in one, just a shame it's not such a bargain as the 35l are from S&A.
Hardly counts as bulk purchase, mind you :rolleyes:
Jim.
j.roberts7
24-08-2005, 15:50
would be up for one of the bergens
i have the smaller version which is great and very robust
love it to bits
so if you manage to get some count me in
any links to where you were getting them
i,ll take one tommy and one of the stainless sts as well.cheers mate
sonoftoil
24-08-2005, 19:33
I'll definitely have one, just let me know where to send the money
Bumblebee
24-08-2005, 21:50
Now this is better :D
The list now consists of:
me
JimH
j.roberts7
gill
sonoftoil
Graham_S
I am going to order them on September 1st, in case more people are interested. They will definitely arrive before the scottish meetup so I guess at least Graham_S would like his delivered there.
Also since I will order some stainless steel mess kits at the same time I think the price is going to be a little lower than previously stated, but I will confirm this later. The mess kits prices will be at cost since there is stuff for me as well in the shipping and I don't really feel good about charging extra to members here.
/Tommy
Graham_S
24-08-2005, 21:59
thanks tommy, picking up the bergan at the scottish meet would be great, if it's no trouble
"G"
Moonraker
25-08-2005, 10:35
As an option, they cost 450 SEK for a new one which is around £33 from here:
Active Life Equipment - Ryggsäck LK-70 ref no.10340 (http://scorpionshops.com/mod_perl/mod_shop_xi.pl?netstore=1178&ViewSingleItem=10340&View=SingleItem&expand=;/Categories/Camping%20och%20UteLiv;&)
When I asked back in April the cost of postage to France (same for UK) was 270 SEK or about £20 ("Shipping to UK, one parcel 4kg, would be 270 SEK with our service level agreement with Schenker. Payment in advance.")
Giving an approx. total including postage direct from Sweden of 720 SEK/ around £53.
I have brought stuff from them before and they were very helpful. Best to email them, contact Jan-Erik Backman. He speaks good English. Email contact is: order@surplus.se They do a lot of Swedish army surplus. The web site is in Swedish only.
Good prices, it's just the postage which bumps the cost up.
Bumblebee
25-08-2005, 10:40
Yup, that's where the rucksacks will be ordered from. As you say the website's in Swedish and they don't take credit cards so that's where I come in :)
If Royal Mail only could offer better prices here... Hmm, maybe I could get them to mail them out to all of you directly? You pay me and I'll just forward the payment. I'll check!
Moonraker
25-08-2005, 11:26
Yup, that's where the rucksacks will be ordered from. As you say the website's in Swedish and they don't take credit cards so that's where I come in :)
If Royal Mail only could offer better prices here... Hmm, maybe I could get them to mail them out to all of you directly? You pay me and I'll just forward the payment. I'll check!
Yep, that's true they don't do c/c. Not too much of a problem from here as I just sent it as electronic payment from my bank. But from the UK it is more expensive to do that. If memory serves they weigh a bit over 3kg and also an awkward shape so postage is always going to be pricey.
Bumblebee
25-08-2005, 12:21
Yep, that's true they don't do c/c. Not too much of a problem from here as I just sent it as electronic payment from my bank. But from the UK it is more expensive to do that.
The one and only time I had to transfer money to Sweden NatWest charged me £18 AND it took 7 days.. Highway robbery :eek:
I have some cash in a Swedish bank account so I just use that using the exchange rate www.xe.com/ucc gives me
Moonraker
25-08-2005, 12:50
The one and only time I had to transfer money to Sweden NatWest charged me £18 AND it took 7 days.. Highway robbery :eek:
I have some cash in a Swedish bank account so I just use that using the exchange rate www.xe.com/ucc gives me
Yep. Bad news. Luckily there is a rule in the EU euro countries (which SE also follows) that a bank can only charge the same fee they charge for national transfers as for European ones. So it only cost me about £3 and goes through quickly. In Germany they use this a lot as I believe there is no or little cost for electronic bank transfer in DE.
j.roberts7
25-08-2005, 15:44
i have the amaller one which was brand new when i got it and its lasted years of abuse so if thats built to the same spec it will be well worth the money
can fill you in a check anytime just let me know
BlueTrain
26-08-2005, 14:48
Has any one seen one of these rucksacks in the U.S.?
I have a different external frame Swedish Army rucksack that looks like it has the same frame but the bag on only a simple nylon canvas sack with just a flap. No external pockets and actually quite small. You have to carry your sleeping bag strapped to the frame underneath the bag. There are straps on the flap to attach things to the top when it is full and also a couple of small straps, which I take to be for an entrenching tool. The waistbelt is a combination of padded nylon and leather.
I also have two other "Norse" style Swedish Army rucksacks, identical except one is grey canvas, the other green nylon. Actually very nice but the load gets to be a strain when it gets to be as much as 35-40 pounds. Again, too small for a sleeping bag inside but it also came with long leather straps to attach it on top of everything.
I have never been quite happy with waist straps on packs, no matter how practical they might be. It is just the feeling of being strapped in and that pack pulling me one way or the other. Of course, once I get out of the basement and onto a woodland trail, especially a steep one, I stop noticing it so much.
In all fairness, the old so-called Para bergen from 25 years or so ago had no waist strap and it became a little heavy before you had gone very far. But it would hold just about everything and had all sorts of pockets, which I like on a pack. I haven't seen one around in quite a while (here in the US). I never did see any of the other G.S. bergans that were also used back then.
j.roberts7
27-08-2005, 07:15
theres a shop in bergen that sells the smaller one i think its 35l
i have biught one from them a while ago and sent them a cheque in the post
from my natwest account but he had to put it though a teller and it cost him to get it cashed but he does take credit cards now maybe worth asking if he can come across the same sack they also have a very good website
when i got mine posted it cost an extra £20 on top of price for postage
there website i think is
www.armystore.no
Bumblebee
02-09-2005, 15:44
Short status:
I have spoken to the company and in their usual slow manner I have not yet received any final shipping costs but they promised to get it to me on Monday afternoon :rolleyes: and that probably means around Wednesday...
is that for the cooking sets as well, i must say i think you are a ledgen for doing this for evryone mate.:)
Bumblebee
02-09-2005, 16:44
The order is for rucksacks, mess kits, kuksas, spare burners, leather shoelaces and a Optimus 930 kerosene lamp :)
COOL just let me know when you want the £££££££££££ you all ready have my order.
CHEERS
MAL
Any photos of the kuksas :)
Bumblebee
02-09-2005, 17:09
See this post (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showpost.php?p=102532&postcount=145) for a picture.
details of pricing please :)
I would like to add my name for the Swedish rucksack order if it is not too late(are you ordering 100L ones or smaller ones?)
Please pm me what the situation is. Thanks
Nomade
weekend_warrior
02-09-2005, 17:54
I've PM'd you too Mr Bumblebee regarding the rucksacks.. :D
Bumblebee
02-09-2005, 18:20
I waited for almost one week to see if anybody else would be interested, and the day after I sent in my order I get three more "I'm interested" :rolleyes: :eek:
I'll see what I can do, OK? I might be able to squeeze in some more. The trouble here is that the order has to be kept under a certain pack volume to qualify for a lower shipping rate, and the rucksacks are quite bulky.
I however ordered some extra mess kits etc and the prices are as last time: £7.50 for the stainless steel mess kit, £1.50 for a spare burner, £1 for the matching kuksa and £2 for a pair of leather shoelaces (makes nice lanyards!).
Thanks Bumblebee! I hope you'll manage to squeeze us, late comers in!
These things can be a lot of hassle and I am grateful you are doing it for us!
bikething
03-09-2005, 22:12
You can get spare burners? :) I would like one of those as the seal's perished in mine! A couple of Kuksas would be good too, if you have any spare
Cheers
Steve
Bumblebee
05-09-2005, 15:21
After long and hard negotiations :) I got the price down to £37.50 delivered to my door :D so the total cost is £46. Payment instructions will be mailed out this evening, and the rucksacks will arrive here in the UK on Monday next week so you'll have yours late next week.
Sorry weekend_warrior & nomade, I could only get one extra rucksack which goes to warthog1981.
weekend_warrior
05-09-2005, 18:22
Not a problem - thanks for trying anyway. :cool:
Bumblebee
07-09-2005, 13:30
Ahem, if the people that have ordered a LK-70 rucksack could contact me ASAP I would be happy, so far only two has contacted me (and one has paid!). Thanks!
pm sent tommy,thanks very much for everything ,i,m desperate to try out the bergan .cheers
Bumblebee
10-09-2005, 13:53
I have not heard anything from j.roberts7 and JimH despite several PM's... Anybody know anything if they are away or something?
Well, if they don't contact me before Wednesday next week I'm giving somebody else a chance, I need to get my money back... :(
nomade and weekend_warrior are first on my waiting list.
Bumblebee
12-09-2005, 21:18
The LK-70 rucksacks have arrived and they seem to do the job nicely :D
Glad I ordered one for myself!
Unfortunately due to work reasons I can't post them until Friday at the earliest, sorry about that.
Tommy
Received the Kuksas in yesterdays post :D
Cheers Mate :)
bikething
19-09-2005, 20:59
Hi Tommy
Kuksa's / burner received today :) . - Many thanks for organising this
Steve
Bumblebee
20-09-2005, 06:39
The rucksacks will be posted on Thursday since I don't have access to a car before then, sorry! :o
On the good news Graham seemed to be genuinely pleased with his when he got it at the Scottish meet.
Graham_S
20-09-2005, 10:29
this rucksack is the most comfortable pack i've ever carried. it's so robust it's verging on the ridiculous, and every opening on the pack has a snow skirt to keep the weather out. plus it has an axe/machete (ski really but i'm using it for bushcraft) carrier behind each side pocket. good piece of kit :D :D :D
Topcat02
20-09-2005, 12:38
Hi Bumblebee,
Could you let me know if there are any spare s/steel mess kits, burners, and laces from your order.
Cheers
TC
Bumblebee
20-09-2005, 13:00
Sorry, absolutely everything is sold.
Hi Bumblebee,
Could you let me know if there are any spare s/steel mess kits, burners, and laces from your order.
Cheers
TC
happy camper
20-09-2005, 15:00
hello :)
mess kit and kuksa have arrive this morning and i'm off out to play :D
many thanks for all the work it must have been to put this together, it is much appreciated!
:)
Got mine thank you very much tommy for doing all this for every one your a true gent.
cheers MAL
MagiKelly
21-09-2005, 13:05
Hi Tommy
As my PM can you put me on the list of "intersted in any more Rucksacks". I thought it was best to post here as well as PM just to keep all the info in one place.
Thanks, I know what hassle a group buy can be. At least for me Hammocks were nice and easy for posting.
Hi Tommy
As my PM can you put me on the list of "intersted in any more Rucksacks". I thought it was best to post here as well as PM just to keep all the info in one place.
Thanks, I know what hassle a group buy can be. At least for me Hammocks were nice and easy for posting.
John sorry for not reading the whole thread, which pack is it, The LK70?
Dear Mr Bumblebee
I was wondering if I could also be added to any "intersted in any more Rucksacks" (LK70) list also please?
scruff
Bumblebee
21-09-2005, 14:13
John sorry for not reading the whole thread, which pack is it, The LK70?
Yup, it's the LK-70 in unissued condition.
Tommy, add me to the interested list if you do another one, thanks.
Neil
Bumblebee
21-09-2005, 21:46
OK, the LK-70 rucksacks are now packed, phieeuuuu. Now I just have to carry the parcels across town (Penrith) because the post office doesn't have any parking space :( Well, if it doesn't kill you it will make you stronger! :D
I seriously expect a beer or some single malt when I get to meet you! :cool:
And now a new bunch of people are waiting for me do yet another group buy of these... :rolleyes:
Bumblebee
22-09-2005, 15:55
And they are now posted! They will arrive around Monday next week but could arrive already on Saturday.
I put some bubblewrap on the frame, put them in double binbags and wrapped sticky tape around everything. They should withstand almost everything, I hope.
/Tommy
lardbloke
22-09-2005, 16:44
Thank you my friend for all of your hard work. It is much appreciated and I will buy you a large one if we end up at a Moot....
Povarian
24-09-2005, 17:13
And they are now posted! They will arrive around Monday next week but could arrive already on Saturday.Yup arrived today (Sat), seems to be more than up to the job, so I'm looking forward to giving it a proper trial. Looks to have about twice the room of my day sack. And it een came with a couple of mess kits and some kuksa (pl. sp?) in it. :cool:
Thanks again for all you hard work. Boy are you gonna be squiffed at the next moot ;) :D
Best whotsits.
Bumblebee
24-09-2005, 17:21
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
And they are now posted! They will arrive around Monday next week but could arrive already on Saturday.
/Tommy
Duly received, and excellent (on short pre-work inspection.
Thanks, Tommy.
PS When do they plan to sell off the S Tanks (given they are all mothballed)? My car MOT runs out end of the month...
:D :D :D :D :D
Jim.
lardbloke
26-09-2005, 15:42
Many thanks Tommy the rucksack arrived today safe and well.
On first impressions, it looks a very sturdy bit of kit and am most impressed.
All that remains is to give it a good test run. Judging by the howling gales up here at the moment, it will not be today.
thanks again..................
warthog1981
26-09-2005, 17:22
kit arrived this morning many many thanks your a star :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Bumblebee
26-09-2005, 17:53
PS When do they plan to sell off the S Tanks (given they are all mothballed)? My car MOT runs out end of the month...
Actually I can arrange to get you a Volvo "puppy" (http://www.ludd.luth.se/%7Epiteper/valp/bilder.html) if you like! :D
The company tries to sell me all kinds of stuff every time I call them... :rolleyes:
tommy thank you very much ,kit arrived today and it is spot on.the bergan is every bit as good as i imagined it would be.the time and work you put in is greatly appreciated mate .cheers
Graham_S
26-09-2005, 22:31
and how much would one of those puppys cost?
mmmmmmmmm........shiney :D
Actually I can arrange to get you a Volvo "puppy" (http://www.ludd.luth.se/%7Epiteper/valp/bilder.html) if you like! :D
The company tries to sell me all kinds of stuff every time I call them... :rolleyes:
The wife has mentioned volvos and people carriers when we have talked about cars, wonder if she would go for it? :rolleyes:
Povarian
27-09-2005, 14:23
and how much would one of those puppys cost?Ye Gods, think of the bubble-wrap and postage costs. :eek:
Bumblebee
27-09-2005, 16:03
Ye Gods, think of the bubble-wrap and postage costs. :eek:
ROTFLMAO! Great, now I have tea all over my keyboard!:p
Bumblebee
05-10-2005, 20:01
For those of you that have expressed an interest in getting one of these rucksack read this (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=8433)thread (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=8433), order lines are open again! :)
Dont surpose anyones goign to organise a group buy of the Volvos are they? ;)
Any one driven one? got anymore details? need a new truck and that looks perfect for my geo. expeditions as its big enough in the back to sit in and hide from the weather and play with rock samples whilst drinking a brew.
thed.
Bumblebee
06-10-2005, 08:14
It is a very capable off-roader and civilian owners tend to love theirs almost beyond reason. :p
To be honest it is going to be a nightmare to try to register one of these here in the UK, I checked what it would take to just register a few years old car swedish car here and ended up driving it back and selling it... The puppys are more than 10-12 years old and so isn't part of the EU regulation which means even more trouble.
Get a Defender CSW instead!
Dont think the defneders are up to much these days, I used to have a series 3 88 which was brillant if just for the update to double cluthing. But the usable space inside was hideous and the've done bugger all even with the new look discovery, its an f'ing range rover thats worse then the range rover.
Id have an old range rover but the insurance is stupid, £500 car & $500 insurance minimum its just not worth it even with a heater that works.
ohh well one can dream.
Dont surpose anyones goign to organise a group buy of the Volvos are they? ;)
Any one driven one? got anymore details? need a new truck and that looks perfect for my geo. expeditions as its big enough in the back to sit in and hide from the weather and play with rock samples whilst drinking a brew.
thed.
Get some good earplugs first, because they are very noisy. They are not allowed to be used in the army anymore so they are pretty commonly on the market now. I saw that the surplus shop here in Gothenburg sells them for about £1000. But they are good for what thet are made for, driving in the terrain. I know that those who went with it on the Vildmark course liked it a lot and thought it was a cool expereience.
There is also a 6 wheel version
http://www.soldf.com/images/t_tgb13_2.jpg
jamesdevine
06-10-2005, 13:45
Viking do you recon it would be Scout prove?
James
Viking do you recon it would be Scout prove?
James
What do you mean with Scout prove?
MagiKelly
06-10-2005, 16:07
What do you mean with Scout prove?
I think he meant Scout "Proof." As in is it able to survive sustained contact with Scouts?:eek:
I think he meant Scout "Proof." As in is it able to survive sustained contact with Scouts?:eek:
It has lasted through genereations of soldiers that hardly can drive so some scouts would probably not be a probelem ;)