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quite a few people on here and BB seem to do martial arts as well as Mr Mearsin the past. why do you think this is. similar teachings or fitness maybe. So which martial arts do you do and to what level as well as your view on this.
I don't officialy have a single martial art or grade I have been tought by my dad and studied with mates including a few brown/black belts. so in my time have done bits of most common martial arts
Hi
I have done martial arts since i young. i cant explain why there is an affinity with bushcraft. As for myself Ninjutsu and bushcraft both require patience and self disipline. They are both links to a more primitive past.
By the way if anyone wants any instruction for some bushcraft tution let me know i could tailor any session to your needs. couldnt resist a plug.
jamesdevine
20-01-2004, 10:12
Hi There,
I known from the schools I have studied with that many of them also included field skills.
The link is the same as the link with todays' armed forces in that they are trained in not just fighting arts but in fire lighting, forageing, stalking, tracking, hunting, navagation, shelter building etc.
They were all interlinked. It is always the wider picture and the Samurai for instance need to now every single piece that made up that jigsaw until he could see what the picture was from the smallest piece.
Bushcraft from my small experence is a hugh subject like wise the martial arts and both have been locked together since the first two tribes battled over a mammoth.
Is that a bit to deep for this early in the morning.
James
Degrorobogo
20-01-2004, 17:11
Greetings,
I don't think there is a causal relation between martial arts and bushcraft. It is just a matter of chance I guess!
If you ask all the practitionars of bushcraft to check in their profile whether they have a drivers license, you might be surprised how many have both bushcraft and "being able to drive a car" as a skill :wink:
As for me bushcraft and fighting represent opposites of my character. I feel a deep connection with my natural surroundings, almost spiritual. Bushcraft, or whatever you call it, is just a practical means for me to learn how to spent long periods of time in nature comfortably and in balance.
Fighting, don't prefer to call it an Martial art as i don't see it as an art...again is just a means to an end...this time not to fullfill an spiritual need, but just a means to get aggression out of my system.
I have practiced kung-fu for four years as a teenager, ju-jitsu for fours in college and now practice pancrase/free-fight. I love free-fight...no philosophy whatsoever....just get in the ring and get it on....no "talk" about what is the more complete "martial art"....it is all about who is the more complete fighter without the rules that plague most "arts". If you fight a kick-boxer,make sure you can take a hit and try to take him to the ground and finish it with an armbar leg-lock etc. If you fight a wrestler or skilled ju-jitsuka or other types of groundfighter try to stay on your feet and wear him out with lowkicks.....so fighting for me has a more obvious connection to let's say chess, both require some degree of strategy to defeat an opponant, than to bushcraft, which is more about balance and harmony.
Just my take on it! :wave:
Cheers,
G.
it's peeople like you that are the reason for me learning (i cant spell many of these
*judo
*jujistu
*quarter staff combat
*knife combat
*kararti
*ikedo
and of course trained with free style city champs
someone once suggested it might be something to with a self-reliance thing, look after your self in the woods, or on the streets.
cheers, and.
I'm currently doing a combination of Sombo, Brazilian Ju-jistu and Kickboxing, although I've done Aikido in the past.
I have to agree with Degrorobogo, I find free fighting much more enjoyable (and realistic) than any single martial art. Then again it depends on what you are after. Some of the more rigidly organised martial arts like karate don't teach you how to fight, they teach you how to do karate, and I guess a lot of people are happy with that.
Does anyone compete in free-fighting/submission wrestling in the UK?
the master of fighting one major Fairbairn said he used about 20% of martail arts. he of course is one of the men behind what has been called the ultimate fighting knife
the master of fighting one major Fairbairn said he used about 20% of martail arts. he of course is one of the men behind what has been called the ultimate fighting knife
Wasn't he involved in the Fairbairn-Sykes, the Applegate-Fairbairn, and the smatchet? Which were you thinking of?
having seen a burly farm hand take a hit of a Tae Kwondo (excusses spelling) bloke then bodily lift him up and run him headlong into a brick wall- I can see why Fairbain only used 20% martial arts.
Roving Rich
21-01-2004, 16:43
:rolmao: :rolmao: :sword: :banghead: :nana:
Coool, as peaceful man I don't know any martial arts. I can usually talk my way out or run.
Rich
bushwacker bob
21-01-2004, 22:45
I'm right behind you rich......and I can run bloody fast!
Dave Barker
22-01-2004, 10:11
I think that all the martial arts have their place.
I have studied ( please note not learnt but staudied) Karate since i was 9. I have a second degree black belt in shotokan and have trained under masters such as Kanazawa Sensei and the late Eneouda sensei.
I think that the pphrase " you just learn karate" is a little misleading.
I teach not the sport side with flick flack techniques and point scoring. But the traditional way. i have ( unfortuntely) firt hand experience that what I know works, and think that learning a martial art of any kind does give some advantage over Joe Public.
Remember, we learn rigid techniques, and build strength into them. In the same way as a dancer learns the steps to a dance without movement.
When the person is aware of the body positionng, and use of hip etc, then techniques taught rigidly, become fluid.
Study and understanding of kata bunkai shows so many types of defensive and offensive techniques.
understanding is the key...
In my opinion the best form for defence is NOT attack... but toleg it the other way.. and quick.
Roving Rich
22-01-2004, 11:00
Just remind me not to get in an argument with any of you guys :roll:
Rich
martail arts wer part of physio (spelling) when i was young learningh the ways that martail arts work is far better. I also did a lot of slow montion stuff with a mate (black belt). I also think that the fitness side of it is what means you don't get hurt that much if yu do end up in trouble. I took a beating with small rock for 5mins (they didn't want my phone) only to hit back and get help in 1 minute
In my opinion the best form for defence is NOT attack... but toleg it the other way.. and quick.
I can usually talk my way out or run
Well put ... having a knowledge of fighting is one thing, but I also do long distance running!!! :-D
If you interested in realistic defences, for street type situations, head over to:
www.selfdefenseforums.com
Specificaly check out southnarcs PSP's.
that forum is american and talks about knives for SD so i don't think it's much use to us
see also http://www.shivworks.com/ for further academic study on how other people who really need their self defense skills train,and the equipment they use.
cheers, and.
Although the forum may deal with weapons, there is plenty on there detailing the mindset, and awareness issues imperative to overcoming uncomfortable situations.
There’s also some great commentary on self-defence myths, and invaluable experience on what really works and what doesn’t in real life situations.
yeah i'd have to recommend sdf as well.
cheers, and.
after been in a few real situations i will say that very few martail arts moves can get used for me these are
*snap kicks
*anckle throws
*punches
*arm strikes
*head throws
*arm locks if there is only one person attacking you (never been lucky enough for only one)
* strikes usingthe heel or your hand (i prefeer these to punches)
a funny thing wehere yu grab their nose from behind
*all blocks
*bloddy mindedness
If one wants to learn effective means to defends ones self. You can do no better then WW2 Combatives.
Here's the choice titles for you:
Get Tough-
http://www.vrazvedka.ru/main/learning/ruk-b/fairbairn-01.shtml
Kill or Get Killed-
http://www.get-tough.net/manuals/kogk1943_complete.pdf
i did learn from a guy who was an ex commando. i know he was in the marines yet i also know he spoke 4 languages and was a fully trained medic and a few other things hmmm i wonder which regiment he was in.
when his little girl got attacked she rammedher key up the gits nose pulled it out and legged it. she would ask if iwas paying attention, if i was i could dodge a flying snap kick if not it would go way too close.
learn to fight without mats or padding its the only way
Dave Barker
11-02-2004, 14:50
I very recently had a discussion with a guy who was adament that he could defend against knife, stick and bottle attacks after watching an instructory video.
The problem is that in real life people do not always act the way the videos show.
he suggested moving off line in defence against a base ball bat. I have ortunately ( or unfortunately) been in this situation once. i got relatively hurt, but the other guy was a little worse off. What did it prove...... that knowledge and training are the keys, BUT that nothing substitutes a real situation. I teach knife defence, stck defence and bottle defence in my classes. Slowly at first, then a little faster.
After several months of boring reps the drill becomes almost natural. then we can do it with dimmer lights loud music and most importantly an unknown attck.
Some people think that learning from books and videos is the easy way out.
My opinion is that a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing. It leads påeople into a false sense of security. In the real world, against a base ball vat, you will likely get hurt but survive.
F*** up against a knife..... you are likely dead.
My advice, learn from a school. When you have a high grade use videos to compliment what you already know. trust you instructor and not video.
try also to get to know how the mind of a thug works. This is the study of an art, not wearing a different coloured belt every 6 months. this shows physical competrance, and not always mental.
Dutchman
12-02-2004, 02:06
When you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck :roll:
Dave Barker
12-02-2004, 07:12
That raises another question though.
Is there such a thing as a fair fight ( without judges and refs?) I fear not.
In the same way as there is little point of having a fast set of combinations when one goes into a competition.
I saw Paul Alderson, Jeff Thompson and Janice Argyll all win world Championships. They reacted and chose the techniques that were appropriate.
If one thinks about what they are going to do, the moves become readable, and a lot slower than if you see a target and take the chance. Too much "mind" makes man slow. Think no mind think nothing!
C_Claycomb
12-02-2004, 13:19
I found a site that had interesting articles, worth a look. Of particular interest were a couple interviews with James Keatings, and info on the OODA cycle.
www.realfighting.com
There are back issues too. Some of the stuff is very good. They also sell lots of fun toys that would get you in trouble here :wink:
Chris
just ben doing a bit of practise. i got my elbow bent back a bit too far. but im getting better. i'm now training with my mate whos a bit out of practise as well (black belt) i think i may be very colourful soon