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Hi All,
I'm thinking of getting a used Freelander TD4...budget around £4000.
Can anyone offer any advice? Should I take the plunge or steer clear?
Over to you lot!
Simon
For Landies I've only ever done Defenders - never taken to the Freelanders.
Main bit of advice - make sure you get underneath with a torch when you're looking. Major dings where someone has overestimated its off-roading capacity and oil leaks. Listen out for bent drive shafts on your test drive.
Friend of a friend had a Freelander which cost him a fortune over the first six months because he didn't do these checks.
Of course for your £4K you could get a nice mid 90s Defender 90 or 110 .....
bushwacker bob
10-06-2011, 18:47
I had a TD4 freelander as a company car a few years ago, I never had a problem with it and it towed as well as a Range Rover or my disco. They do have poor ground clearance for a Landy so it would be worth heeding DaveWL's advice.
Cheers guys, SWMBO said a definate "No" to a Defender!
Simon
Try and pick up a "Chelsea Tractor" which has been used for the school run on tarmac roads and never seen a track.
Look around places like Harrogate, Ilkley, Pannal etc for a good un :)
Apple Blossom and Liberty might have spilt their fruit shoots in the back but motor should be sound
Barn Owl
10-06-2011, 19:40
One of my cars is a freelander td4.
Never had a problem in 3 years so far.
It's a 55 reg.
Barn Owl
10-06-2011, 19:41
It's my wife who uses it btw.
stuart m
10-06-2011, 20:43
Of course for your £4K you could get a nice mid 90s Defender 90 or 110 .....
Where? I'd be in to one if so, I can't seem to find any though...
tomongoose
10-06-2011, 20:56
What do you need it for, there are better 4x4's or better road cars but if you just need a road car that's good for towing and can cope with a few lumps and bumps its ok
tomongoose
10-06-2011, 20:59
Stuart m
There's loads on auto trader
Hi there,
tomongoose is spot on.. there are lots of cars that are crap off road out there, but try to be 4x4's to attract the Chelsea Tractor brigade.... The main thing is to ask yourself what you want the car to do. If its have loads of space, tow ...but never get off the tarmac then forget any of the proper 4x4 cars with low ratio, diff locks etc....The Freelander is good in the snow, and can tow fine, but don't expect a 4x4 or you'll be disappointed. A Subaru will probably do the job as well and be more reliable.
If you want a bone fide 4x4, and the Missus doesn't wnat a Defender..(understandable as its a truck) ... look at the Discovery, Pajero, Landcruiser, Terrano II or a pickup from the main manufacturers... Nissan Toyota,Masda,Mitsubishi....
I actually got a low mileage Terrano II Station wagon and it is excelent for towing a horsebox, has so far never let me down off road..(and it goes there every day) and is quite civilised on the blck stuff...
I think research as to what you need is the key, and if the Freelander suits then make an educated choice..
cheers
Gareth
Cheers guys, SWMBO said a definate "No" to a Defender!
Simon
Yep - mine too - probably my fault after I drove her from Kent to Loch Lomond in one for our honeymoon.
Where? I'd be in to one if so, I can't seem to find any though...
Hmm - was about to say Auto Trader - but just had a looksee and I suspect you'd probably want to play closer to £5K at the moment.
They've gone up a bit in the last four years ...!! :(
_scorpio_
10-06-2011, 22:44
right, mechanic hat on, do you want an automatic? if so check the gearbox oil was changed every 60000 miles because the auto gearboxes are weak and if it hasnt had the oil changed as part of a service you will be having a new gearbox in it.
of all the freelander 1 series, the TD4 is definitely the best engine, i have only ever heard of 2 being beyond repair through engine failure, and one we are rebuilding at the moment using an accident damaged one.
the bodies are very rot resistant, however on a budget of £4k i would be looking for an early (old style lights) Discovery 2.
when checking the car over before buying, apart from the obvious, like massive knocking noises and handling difficulties, make sure you reverse it into a parking space, if it feels like the brakes are being applied when they arent, it means the viscous coupling is on its last legs.
also, watch out for uneven tyre wear, if you run your hand along the tyre and its wavy, it means the IRD (intermediate reduction drive/transfer box) is failing.
if you need any more info drop me a PM.
_scorpio_
10-06-2011, 22:45
also, despite being a landrover company, we have taken in a nissan terrano jobbie in black which is on ebay at the mo and isnt likely to get above £1k...
Cheers guys, SWMBO said a definate "No" to a Defender!
Simon
They do that. That's why I've got a double cab pickup!
I get the right hump when people say freelanders are rubbish offroad...
I've had a TD4 since 2007 - 120,000 miles and never missed a beat! It's an auto, and I take her offroad with a local club - last year the big girl drove straight up a wet grass slope which beat a Disco 3, so :-p
In fact, she surprises a lot of people over the courses - but as has been said, you have to watch ground clearance. Been lucky with my back box on a couple of occasions :-)
But overall - top car, really like
Neg
tomongoose
11-06-2011, 07:53
Free landers are good on the snow and wet grass as they are nice and light but as you say they lack clearance and they don't take kindly to being bumped.
Freelanders seem to be a bit hit and miss.
The old gal had nothing but problems with hers, it got to the point where she bought a cheap banger as a backup car for the next time the Freelander failed.
Yet a mate has had one for around 5 years and has not had a single problem.
Driving wise, on the road they're pretty good for a off-roader, decent steering feedback and handling and the engine is perky enough.
Space is also pretty good.
If your intending on doing a fair bit of off-roading then personally i'd be more inclined to head towards something like a Pajero/Shogun.
If your not then i'd really not bother with a 4x4.
They're heavier, have less room and cost more to run.
Bar the most extreme of off-roading a decent fwd with decent tyres will got you through stuff you wouldn't believe possible.
As an example, when we had snow here t'other year i drove up a hill past a struggling Nissan X-trail in my MX5 (not exactly a car renowned for it's off-road or snow driving abilities being rwd).
So i'd advise to sit and think about what you intend to do, as unless your doing some pretty extreme off-roading a 4x4 is more often than not a waste of petrol, running costs, parking spaces and money.
_scorpio_
14-06-2011, 20:38
i bet the nissan was flooring it in a low gear though, its not the car its the person behind the wheel.
a freelander will be good if it has been looked after, same as any car,and full service history with a good landrover company is a good thing, though most people will take them anywhere to people who dont really know what needs doing.
there is no minimum level for a service, as long as the company does what it says it will do its legal, so full service history with a rubbish/inexperienced company can be as bad as no service history.
best thing you can do is raise your budget and get a low mileage discovery 2/late freelander 1 or get a normal 2wd car and just be aware of where you are parking (no boggy fields, though as a bushcrafter this may be an issue) and dont even bother trying when it snows.
if you get something old you have to accept the problems as they arise, and get AA warranty, pretty much all the others are rubbish and cover everything that wont go wrong. if your going for something old and are prepared to fix it regularly (but cheaply most of the time) then get a nice Discovery 1 ES with the leather seats and air conditioning with a 300TDI engine which will be cheap to fix and if you need to you can get all the expensive bits second hand easily. they should cost between £700 - £1500 depending on mileage and depth of rust.
Absolutely no idea, i was too busy waving as i past him to ask him :lmao:
The point is, unless your planning on off-roading on a regular basis and pretty extreme off-roading rather than just the odd farm path a 4x4 will more often than not a waste.
Even if you buy a 4x4 if you have the wrong tyres or technique you'll still get stuck in places that an experienced driver would sail past in most fwd cars.
I do a fair bit of off-roading getting to fishing, diving etc and the only time i got stock it was 100% my fault as i'd driven on to sand i knew was too soft.
Some air out my tyres and a quick dab of the handbrake and it got me out though this in a rwd sporty type car.
Experience and matching the correct tyres for the conditions matter FAR more than which way drive or how many wheels are driven.
As far as old cars go, i completely disagree.
I'm not really a fan of new cars so tend to buy older cars simply because i prefer the driving experience.
With that in mind my car is a 1994 and i usually average around 30k miles a year.
The last 8 years of ownership, regular racing/trackdays, touring around Europe, trips to and from Greece and as my every day transport it's only let me down 3 times.
1 x a passenger didn't close the door properly so we came back to a flat battery
1 x I used the wrong bolts on a Supercharger/crank pulley
1 x I upped the boost too much and ignored the engine detonating (knock)
These days if a car is chosen wisely and is well maintained there is no reason it won't still be running in another 10 - 20 years.
i bet the nissan was flooring it in a low gear though, its not the car its the person behind the wheel.
a freelander will be good if it has been looked after, same as any car,and full service history with a good landrover company is a good thing, though most people will take them anywhere to people who dont really know what needs doing.
there is no minimum level for a service, as long as the company does what it says it will do its legal, so full service history with a rubbish/inexperienced company can be as bad as no service history.
best thing you can do is raise your budget and get a low mileage discovery 2/late freelander 1 or get a normal 2wd car and just be aware of where you are parking (no boggy fields, though as a bushcrafter this may be an issue) and dont even bother trying when it snows.
if you get something old you have to accept the problems as they arise, and get AA warranty, pretty much all the others are rubbish and cover everything that wont go wrong. if your going for something old and are prepared to fix it regularly (but cheaply most of the time) then get a nice Discovery 1 ES with the leather seats and air conditioning with a 300TDI engine which will be cheap to fix and if you need to you can get all the expensive bits second hand easily. they should cost between £700 - £1500 depending on mileage and depth of rust.
i'll second the disco 1 300tdi reply but,i would steer clear of aircon and any fitted with edc(drive by wire) altough it's mostly the auto's that have edc.
my 98 plate manual 300tdi gs only cost me £1200 2 1/2 years ago it's never let me down driven sensibly gives good fuel economy for its size and is oh so easy to work on and fix' they are worth the money if you know your way around a tool box.
_scorpio_
30-06-2011, 21:15
need better off road performance from your freelander? :D :D :D
http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/12/26/74/68/26566110.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=200&u=12267468)
Thanks for all the input...I decided against the Freelander as on reflection I didn't really need 4x4 capability. What I do need is a large boot and something capable of lugging my canoe around, so I bought a ......
Volvo V70:rolleyes:
Simon