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Mojoracinguk
17-04-2011, 15:56
......and queen wasp nesting inside.

No real reson for this thread.

Think the queen wasp may have to move on though as i need to work in here!

And has anyone else got the big hornets eating there wood yet?

And is it the queen hornet i'm seeing?.....isn't it too early for workers yet?

Mojo

mountainm
17-04-2011, 16:05
Found a small wasps nest in mine this winter. About twelve cells in it. Abandoned. Maybe you have the same thing going on?

robin wood
17-04-2011, 16:10
I would have thought it would be early for workers, any chance of a pic of your hornet, I bet a queen must sound like a helicopter taking off.

aeveling
17-04-2011, 16:20
Ive seen a lot of wasp activity in the last few days around my house. Much more than I would expect in mid April. My neighbour is dealing with a wasp nest as I type this. I don't mind them but sometimes they just get in the way. Like last autumn when i was having a wood burner fitted. The guys found a large wasp nest in the roof space by the chimney and as one of them was allergic to the sting they had to stop working after havng done about 99% of the work. Rentokil couldn't get their ladders up there so in the end I went out of a skylight and crawled out on the roof apex with several cans of fly spray. It was like a 1980's video game - blat one on it's way in or on the way out - easy really, just had to be careful not to fall off of the roof. Every so often a swarm would build up and it was 2 cans at full blast! Got them all after about an hour and the chimney cowling was eventually installed. I wouldn't usually kill them - they have a purpose - and they are quite interesting when they come to remove a portion of my fence to make their nest.

Andrew.

Mojoracinguk
17-04-2011, 16:27
Robin, i have a rubbish pic of the hornet.....will load it later.....hoping to get a better shot come dusk.


On the wasp front.....she's back!.....removing the nest was not enough.....

Mojoracinguk
17-04-2011, 16:51
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab68/Mojoracinguk/utf-8BSU1BRzAyNjItMS5qcGc.jpg


The baton the hornet is on is exactly 45mm.....so it it big.

It had dusky brown markings on its abdomen..like its thorax but the photo shows up more black

Mojo

blacktimberwolf
17-04-2011, 17:11
I have hornets( & wasps) nest under the roof tiles every year, they occasionally come into the house when the windows are open, I've never had any problems & find them less aggresive than wasps. In the autumn I leave a large container full of sugar & jam which keeps away from us.
I remember once in the corsican mountains, I flipped over a large flat stone & there all bundled together was a mass of writhing hornets, it took a second or so to realise what they were, as I had never seen black ones before, & I must have run 100 metres in less than 5 seconds, seeing that they hadn't come after me, I slowly walked back to take a better look ( shaking like a leaf) & maybe try & put back the stone, as I approached they started to 'agitate' & spread out so I thought it would be a good idea to clear off. I think it was the cool temperature (15 c) that kept them nailed to the floor.
If there is a nest that you have to pass regulaly, I think it might be wiser to slap a demolition order on it now rather than later, on a cool morning just take off the nest & put it elsewere, then they should start to build another hopefully somewhere else. I believe they make new nests every year & don't use the old ones, but I'm not an expert.

robin wood
17-04-2011, 18:04
I'll be interested to see if we have a good entomologist who can tell us if it is definitely a queen. Certainly in Derbyshire I have yet to see any worker bumble bees or wasps but not sure when they first hatch in Hertfordshire.
Wikipedia says
"The queen measures 25 to 50 mm (1–1.4 in) long;"
so they vary a lot in size but since 50mm is 2" not 1.4 lets take it with a pinch of salt.

British Red
17-04-2011, 20:48
Plenty of wasps around in Lincolnshire at the moment - I think the eraly warmth has started them moving

Melonfish
17-04-2011, 21:19
had a queen wasp in the kitchen the other day, BIG thing it were. good inch long and bulky. defo a wasp mind.
used the kids butterfly net to snare her and then chucked her outside so go eat some insects ;)

Harvestman
17-04-2011, 21:19
I'll be interested to see if we have a good entomologist who can tell us if it is definitely a queen. Certainly in Derbyshire I have yet to see any worker bumble bees or wasps but not sure when they first hatch in Hertfordshire.
Wikipedia says
"The queen measures 25 to 50 mm (1–1.4 in) long;"
so they vary a lot in size but since 50mm is 2" not 1.4 lets take it with a pinch of salt.

Ok, I consider myself a decent entomologist, and I'd say that the picture is of a wasp rather than a hornet (which are usually redder/orangey in colour). Whether it is a queen I can't say since there isn't enough detail in the picture to even tell what species it is (but common wasp is my guess). Nonetheless, on size alone, it might well be a queen. I can't be more certain than that.

yerbache
17-04-2011, 21:22
The ones that emerge this time of year are the ones that have overwintered - which are the queens, so they are a fair bit bigger than the regular workers and they'll be looking around for somewhere to start the nest. What you have there is a wasp, a hornet is bulkier, reddish-brown and about half as big again

Mojoracinguk
17-04-2011, 21:58
Wasp.....nah......I'm supper happy it is a hornet.

The colour as described in my post is dusky brown.
I have lived a country life for 30 years and am pretty happy in identifying queens wasps.

The second reason I'm happy with the hornet mantle is that less than 2 foot away (on the shed door) was a queen wasp.....
How do. I know she was a queen wasp....well she was building a nest.....it had about 5 cells in it and and she was laying an egg in each one.

Yes she was thinner and sleeker that the hornet.....and she was black and yellow......I have already stated the photo does not show the true colour of the hornet. The only part of the hornet that looks close to the true colour is at the centre of the thorax.....it is brown when you zoom in.

So the question is still....seeing as the beasty is taking off from a 45mm baton...is it a queen or not?

Harvestman
17-04-2011, 22:14
Could be then. A closer look at the pic does look brown, and the broad yellow stripe behind the eye also suggests hornet according to my book. I'm still hesitating because your pic shows a distinct yellow line at the front of the abdomen which my book doesn't show on a hornet.

Still, I'm going to go with your description, since you actually saw it. So, is it a queen? At this time of year, probably.

stovie
17-04-2011, 22:48
Definately hadsomething chewing in my shed this weekend...didn't get to see the blighter, tucked in some corner, but when I do, think I'll evict it...I'm the only one who makes chippings in MY shed...

yerbache
17-04-2011, 23:44
Wasp.....nah......I'm supper happy it is a hornet.

The colour as described in my post is dusky brown.
I have lived a country life for 30 years and am pretty happy in identifying queens wasps.

The second reason I'm happy with the hornet mantle is that less than 2 foot away (on the shed door) was a queen wasp.....
How do. I know she was a queen wasp....well she was building a nest.....it had about 5 cells in it and and she was laying an egg in each one.

Yes she was thinner and sleeker that the hornet.....and she was black and yellow......I have already stated the photo does not show the true colour of the hornet. The only part of the hornet that looks close to the true colour is at the centre of the thorax.....it is brown when you zoom in.

So the question is still....seeing as the beasty is taking off from a 45mm baton...is it a queen or not?

No offence about your identifying abilities meant - just looks like a queen wasp in the pic

Jolyon
18-04-2011, 00:07
In Hampshire we are 'blest' with plenty of hornets, and for that matter wasps,
All of our Hampshire hornets are a very definite burnt umber /orange. All I would say is that it does not look like any hornets I have seen. Also no way near big enuogh!
Simplest way to find out is set a wasp trap of thick syrup. If it drowns it is a wasp. If it pulls itself out like a t-rex from a tar pit, suck itself clean smiles at ya and flies off it is a hornet ;- )
Our hornets are very docile we usually have 3-4 flying around daily over the summer (2 today) and have never had any issues.

F**king bumble bees on the other hand how can somthing so fluffy have such an attitude problem!.
lol

Harvestman
18-04-2011, 00:15
F**king bumble bees on the other hand how can somthing so fluffy have such an attitude problem!.
lol

That's my quote of the year so far! :lmao::lmao::lmao:

Mojoracinguk
18-04-2011, 00:28
Aye....i'll ask it to attend a line up next time ;)

Will get better pics in the next couple of days if i can keep it entertained long enough.

Mojo

Jolyon
18-04-2011, 00:52
If you could get it to pose over a clour chart next to a ruler it would help...lol...
Markings look hornet to me... colour doesn't but as you say not accurate.... as for Queen?... well that is all down to size? i would say ours our 30cm long but i have always be accused of exageration on size..;-)
seriously 2.5 to 3.5 cm I would say is about right for the normal Hornets we get .. never to my knowledge seen a queen.. but I would imagine that would be 4-5 cm ... ???

am starting to think i am not helping...lol

Mojoracinguk
18-04-2011, 10:34
I take it all back.....she's a she....

Look at the Media wasp Queen.....looks like a worker hornet....
http://www.eakringbirds.com/eakringbirds2/insectswasps.htm
That's why i saw it so early....and it's not big enough to be a Hornet Queen!

Ohhh for the love of....so it's a Wasp.....!!!!! :rolleyes:

Mojo

EdS
18-04-2011, 10:52
loads of wasps here yesterday. The shed was covered in workers taking the wood for pulp.

yerbache
18-04-2011, 10:55
i would say ours our 30cm long but i have always be accused of exageration on size..;-)

Remind me never to come around anywhere near where you live if you have 30cm long wasps! :lmao: :lmao:

robin wood
18-04-2011, 12:21
http://www.eakringbirds.com/eakringbirds2/insectswasps.htm

That's a great link, I had no idea there were so many similar species of wasp. Juries out for me until we see better snap but it is always good to learn new stuff.

Stanleythecat
18-04-2011, 13:12
Went out a couple of years ago to Savernake Forest with the local branch of the Royal Forestry Society. Somone mentioned to severe squirell damage to a nearby Oak (maybe 20-25 years old) upon arrival we noticed many hornets grazing the bark to make paper for their nests. In the quieter moments we could hear their mandibles rasping the material free. An amazing and misunderstood insect, beautiful markings and colour.

On another site I look after we put up a cleft chestnut fence around a pond, every summer on hot days you could always hear the wasps doing the same. Where the bark had been stripped their was often a thin bast left behind and they seemed to target this especially.

Leo

ArkAngel
18-04-2011, 16:34
I've had to deal with a few nests as we live in the middle of the country.

One under roof tiles in our "outhouse/storage shed" and one under the BBQ.

They were "dealt" with as my wife is quite allergic to the stings. As totally stupid as it sounds this (http://www.waspinator.co.uk/) sorted all our problems. Apparently wazies are very territorial and will not set up home if they think another colony is there. They are still around but kept away from the house which is the main issue.

mountainm
18-04-2011, 16:45
I've had to deal with a few nests as we live in the middle of the country.

One under roof tiles in our "outhouse/storage shed" and one under the BBQ.

They were "dealt" with as my wife is quite allergic to the stings. As totally stupid as it sounds this (http://www.waspinator.co.uk/) sorted all our problems. Apparently wazies are very territorial and will not set up home if they think another colony is there. They are still around but kept away from the house which is the main issue.

Yup, when we go camping I make one waterbomb style from a sheet of newspaper - it 'seems' to do the job.

We had a nest in an air brick under the house once. I waited until they were all sound asleep - sprayed a can of wasp killing powder into the brick entrance then gaffer taped it up. Left it a week - Did the trick.

blacktimberwolf
19-04-2011, 10:40
We may be letting our imaginations run away with us. I think we are looking ( hoping ?) for some bitch queen like in Aliens......Why am I saying this ?......This morning I had a queen wasp in the house, now she was the size of a normal wasp, head & thorax, that is, but her abdomen was much longer, prehaps a 1/3 longer than a worker, it extended far beyond the wing tips, it was a little wider too.( the hornet being a vespidae, I assume it's the same for them).so the answer may be in the abdomen & not the general size.........I know what you're thinking, how did I know it was a queen, well the truth is I don't, since reading this thread I have started to really take notice of the wasps & hornets buzzing around at the moment & I am noticing things that normally I wouldn't give a second glance at. The wasp in question was only remarkable by the size of her abdomen. Not conclusive I grant you, but prehaps worth building on.
I don't know about you chaps, but I have found the net to be particually poor on info about this subject, especially distinguishing queens from workers, but I'm probably mis-spelling in the research thingy.
For all those of you who may have concerns about the outcome of the wasp mentioned earlier, rest assured, the window was opened & she flew away, unharmed, to continue her tireless a essential work.

Melonfish
19-04-2011, 11:31
i think the one in my kitchen was defo a queen wasp, the colour was a very bright yellow.
didn't quite say hornet.

although the other year i dealt with a wasps nest.

actually its all here :D

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42430

Mojoracinguk
19-04-2011, 12:54
....Update.....No News today......

Waspy has not been seen for over a day now (after frequenting the same piece of wood on the shed 3 day's in a row).

She may be nesting and looking after the younglings.....or taking a long close look at the funny pages in some ones house ;)
I will keep watch and hope to catch her in all her brown 'Media waspy' glouriousness!!!

Mojo

capriboy
20-04-2011, 00:12
Googled upon this thread tonight, thought i'd share my day with you all.

After a nice bbq with the little one in the garden I brought a preice of charcoal into the house to get the wood burner going in the lounge, imagine my surprise when I opened the door to see a Hornet string out at me from atop some of the kindling already in there.

Hot charcoal hastily dropped in and after a little smoking one live hornet crawled out and encaptured in a glass jar, none the worse for wear despite it's fiery ordeal. It spent the next few minutes cleaning itself off and struggling to fly but was pretty perky not long after.

It's about 3.5cm long, yellow and black stripes on the tail with a reddish orange hue to it's thorax. I don't mind admitting to being a little scared of the darn thing even when it was cooped up in a jar! Have some photos but aren't great due to the thick cheap glass jar (douwe eggberts coffee).

Anyone any thoughts if I may have a nest nearby? My neighbour says they've never seen one but all the houses on our little road have wasp infestations due to the construction of the roofs.

capriboy
20-04-2011, 00:24
shoddy pic off cameraphone

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26708976@N03/5636170636/

capriboy
20-04-2011, 00:27
oops

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5636170636_d241d252cc.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26708976@N03/5636170636/)
210638_118218584924612_1000020 94122465_154730_5350088_o (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26708976@N03/5636170636/) by craig.lilliman (http://www.flickr.com/people/26708976@N03/), on Flickr

Mojoracinguk
20-04-2011, 09:09
Nice one.....I'm feeling that trying to ID from photographs is difficult ;)

your photo shows the dusky clouring mine had in the flesh....but I can not get the scale from your shot (these pesky little critters need to be trained how to pose for us)

Good luck with Identifying it/her

Mojo