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Here we go folks :camping:
INTRODUCTION
The Bushcraft UK, Arctic skills course is a 7 day (fully inclusive) Arctic bushcraft and survival course led by UK guides/instructors. The course is a "no frills" low cost opportunity for members of the Bushcraft UK community to experience top of the range instruction, 400km inside the Arctic Circle.
During the course students will be expected to participate in routine tasks around the camp such as firewood collection, water collection, and general camp duties. Accommodation will be in heated tents and shelters
(sleeping in shelters is optional).
COURSE DETAILS:
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU READ THE FOLLOWING CAREFULLY BEFORE MAKING A BOOKING.
Course provider: Bushcraft Expeditions.
Minimum numbers: 15
Maximum numbers 18
Minimum age: 18 (16 if accompanied by an adult)
Date of Expedition: 4th - 10th March 2012
Expedition go/no go date: 13th January 2012
Duration: 7-day itinerary. Arriving day one/departing day seven.
Timings and pick-up/drop off:
RV time 11:30hr on the 4th March in Bardufoss airport arrivals hall.
Early drop off at BDU for travel home. (all arrangements will be made to make sure that course members are at the airport in time for flights)
( In time for the flight to Osl)
Later pickups can be arranged on the 4th at an additional transfer cost (from the airport to expedition location) for £50.00 per person
Accommodation and catering:
Accommodation: Wood burning stove, heated tents and shelters.
Catering: The Expedition is on a self-catering basis. Students can either bring rations from the UK or purchase locally. Transport will be provided most evenings at a cost of £2.00 per person/per trip to the local supermarket.
Individuals can cook on either the wood burning stove in their tent, a communal open fire pit in the tented area, or on their own stoves. (Fuel for stoves can be provided at cost)
(It is recommended that as tent groups are established on receipt of bookings Bushcraft Expeditions will notify groups of 5/6 people as they book as to whom they will be sharing their tent with and from there, these individuals can organise tent/group catering)
Expedition Cost and payment details:
Expedition Cost: £520.00 (Fully inclusive of VAT)
A Non refundable deposit of £120.00 is required on booking – This deposit will however be refunded in full if the Expedition does not go ahead
Final payments: payable immediately from the 13th January if expedition takes place and by no later than 10th February (any one failing to pay their final payment by the 10th February will lose their deposit and forfeit their place to a reserve)
All bookings and payments should be made directly to Bushcraft Expeditions by the following means:
To pay by credit/debit card:
Contact Becky in the Bushcraft Expeditions office on 01432 356700. You will need to provide your full name, address, bank/card and contact (email and phone) details and BCUK user name.
To pay by Paypal:
Contact Becky in the Bushcraft Expeditions office on 01432 356700 or on the email address below. You will need to provide your full name, address, contact (email and phone) details, and BCUK user name. Do not make any payment until you have confirmed your booking with Bushcraft Expeditions office.
inforequest@bushcraftexpeditio ns.com (inforequest@bushcraftexpediti ons.com) (use this email address for Paypal payments)
To pay by bank transfer:
If paying directly into the bank by bank transfer etc please phone the number above for the account details. You will need to provide your full name, address, bank/card and contact (email and phone) details and BCUK user name.
All payments are by secure means.
On receipt of your booking and clearance of your deposit, all paper work will be sent via email,unless otherwise requested differently
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT NO STUDENTS BOOK FLIGHTS OR PURCHASE EXPEDITION EQUIPMENT OR FOOD UNTIL THE EXPEDITION HAS BEEN CONFIRMED TO BE TAKING PLACE. NIETHER BUSHCRAFT UK OR BUSHCRAFT EXPEDITIONS WILL BE HELD LIABLE FOR ANY EXPENSE AS A RESULT OF STUDENTS NOT COMPLYING WITH THE ABOVE STATEMENT
Subjects covered:
1. Outfitting for the cold environment.
2. Dressing for the cold environment.
3. Daily routine and considerations for working in the cold environment.
4. Cold injuries their recognition, prevention and medical procedures in the cold environment.
5. Cutting tools in the cold environment, their selection safe use and maintenance.
6. Shelters. (Quincy, Arctic lean to, emergency shelters) snow holes and igloos - (conditions permitting)
7. Fire lighting and fire husbandry in the extreme cold.
8. Improvised Snowshoe construction and snow shoeing techniques. (Demo only)
9. Arctic Tracking and wild life observation.
10. Ice Fishing.
11. Ice crossing procedures.
12. Trapping in the Arctic.
13. Tent/camp routine in the extreme cold.
14. Signalling.
15. Water procurement, carriage and preparation for consumption in the Arctic.
16. Field cookery in the extreme cold.
Included in the price:
1. Full instruction in Arctic Bushcraft and Survival from UK/English speaking Guides.
2. All internal transfers from the meeting point. (Other than late pick-ups)
3. Heated Tentage/accommodation. (Shared)
4. Site fees (private land and National park)
5. Fully trained on site medical cover.
6. Bushcraft UK Arctic Course certificate.
Not included in the cost:
1. International flights/transport to designated meeting point.
2. Any additional activities other than those stated.
3. Clothing and equipment hire.
Optional/additional activities and equipment hire available on site:
1. Extreme cold clothing hire.
2. Extreme cold footwear hire.
3. Extreme cold sleeping bag + liner hire.
4. Dog sledging.
5. Traditional Sauna facilities (minimum number apply/required).
6. Traditional outdoor hot tub facilities. (minimum number apply/required)
(all above subject to availability on a first come basis)
Kit and Equipment
Clothing you will need to bring:
• Wind/waterproof outer jacket. (ski wear is sufficient for this)
• Wind/waterproof outer trousers or saloppettes. (ski wear is sufficient for this)
• Warm outdoor/work trousers (1 pairs)
• Warm outdoor shirts (1)
• Fleece jacket or large sweater
• Cold weather hat preferably with ear protection
• Cold weather mitts or gloves
• Cold weather boots or walking type boots (large enough to be able to wear two pairs of thick socks with and not be tight /restrictive)
• Thermal underwear (1 set)
• Thick socks, preferably wool (3 pairs minimum)
• spare lightweight wool hat or similar
• Thin pair of work gloves
• Scarf or neck buff
• Towel and swimming costume (for sauna if that is taken as an optional extra)
• Slippers or trainers for indoors/tents
• Handkerchief
• Long belt (Preferably leather)
Equipment you will need to bring:
• Large (70ltr+) rucksack capable of carrying all your equipment
• Sleeping bag (four seasons for use in temperatures down to -15)
• Insulated sleeping mat
• Bivouac (Bivvi) bag
• Head torch and spare batteries
• Mug, knife, fork and spoon and cooker if not cooking over open fire.
• Billy cans (preferable) or mess tins (for cooking over open fires)
• Small pocket knife
• Small steel thermos type flask (optional but highly recommended)
• 10 metres of strong nylon cord
• Note book and pencil
• Wash bag
• Two candles (long life preferably)
• Ski goggles or similar eye protection (sun glasses)
Personal medications/Items:
• Lip salve
• Sun block
• Passport
• European Health Insurance Card (EHIC)
Cold weather clothing hire costs:
Rental of extreme cold weather boots - £5.00 per day.
Rental of extreme cold weather sleeping bag+Liner - £5.00 per day
Rental of snow suit - £4.00 per day
(All above on a 1st come basis)
The Airport you need to fly into is Bardufoss airport. You can book all the way via www.norwegian.no (http://www.norwegian.no/) or go to most airports in Scandinavia via all the big operators and then connect up to Bardufoss with Norwegian (which is a budget airline).
Travel:
For those confirmed on coming on the BCUK Arctic Expedition it may be worth organising yourselves into travel groups now, that way you will have the ability to group book etc and coordinate things between yourselves. A suggestion would be the following groups (You will have to decide amongst yourselves who is going to instigate/organise these groups)
Group 1: Those flying to Oslo with Ryan on the Saturday, stopping in Oslo overnight and then flying onto Bardufoss on the Sunday (Returning the same route but with no overnight in Oslo) This is the suggested and probably the best travel option.
Group 2: Those doing the above but not stopping in Oslo overnight it might be a good idea if this group organise a charter bus/taxi/minibus to get them from one airport to the other in Oslo as there is only 3 hours between flights and it will give you piece of mind having some one meet/drop you off - this should not be necessary on the return flight as you have 6 hours between flights this is probably the cheapest flight option.
Group 3: Those getting the Norwegian flight up to Tromso and then the bus down to Bardufoss.
If you've got any further questions ask away :D
Just trying to reschedule some stuff but if so I'll be there.
Good Man, it'll be nice to get this one filled early and then everyone can prepare and get excited :D
My deposit is already down!
It will probably be March before I know for certain.
I have a regular booking for three days in Edinburgh that falls on the third week in March and I need to talk them into moving it next year.
Jaymzflood
02-03-2011, 20:17
So is this £520 and then we pay the flights to Oslo on top?
Cheers
Jaymzflood
02-03-2011, 21:14
This would be excellent and something I would really be interested in. Keep us posted :)
Yep, flights and food on top. Still reasonably priced, but the bonus is that instead of a corporate outing everyone will WANT to be there.
Pandabean
20-03-2011, 08:43
Not sure if I am too late but are there many spaces left?
I am trying to decide whether to go on this based on costs (compared to something else I want to go on), got a few questions if someone could answer. :)
- Is it expensive to get the extra equipment required for this course?
- Do you get the chance to sleep out in the shelters that are built
- Roughly how much would the flights cost?
- Also I remember seeing a video on here of last year's course but I can't seem to find it.
Hi Pandabean, yes there are places left
- Is it expensive to get the extra equipment required for this course? .... this can be hired in country.. speak to Becky in the bushcraft Expeditions office (http://www.bushcraftexpeditions.com/contact.php) or see details above
- Do you get the chance to sleep out in the shelters that are built ... yes, as much as you like.
- Roughly how much would the flights cost?
See: www.norwegian.com/en for best deals
- Also I remember seeing a video on here of last year's course but I can't seem to find it.
See: Here (http://www.youtube.com/user/woodybushex) for all exped videos
any other questions mate, just ask on here or contact the office
Regards
Woody
I've managed to clear those dates so as soon as I can get through to Becky with my credit card I'm in for this now. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/excited.gif
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Lets get those spaces filled.
Pandabean
20-03-2011, 14:46
Thanks Woody. I just checked the flights and while they seem reasonably priced, none seem to get my the destination on the arrival day unless its 23:00. This is travelling from Edinburgh/Glasgow and there didn't seem to be any Saturday flights. I would have thought there would have been a flight from Aberdeen at least and maybe a change at Stavanger/Bergen rather than going all the way to Heathrow/Gatwick.
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Will pay deposit for both courses next week (after my ebay auctions end ;-) )
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Where is everyone?
Don't they know the light show (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/10mar_stormwarning/) is already starting to build (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/14apr_thewatchedpot/)
This could be the best auroral show for a decade or so and where better to watch it from than your own cosy snow hole. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/4570.gif
Part of the reason I'm doing both courses is to increase my chances of seeing the lights again. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/13879.gif
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Both courses eh... That's the way to do it. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/thumbsup.gif
I figure I might as well make the most of it whilst out there. Plus seeing the Aurora Borealis is one of my life goals!
I've seen then twice now.
Once in Northumbria.
http://www.waylandscape.co.uk/assets/images/Dunstanburgh-Aurora.jpg
And once in Lofoten.
http://www.waylandscape.co.uk/assets/images/Aurora-LH.jpg
It's something you will never forget if we are lucky enough to see them. I certainly have my fingers crossed already.
Just started making a canvas and Ventile anorak for this.
I'll post up when it's done.
crowded-solitude
05-06-2011, 23:16
This looks good iv always wanted to go to the arctic! hopefully next time ill put my name down ill start saving some money up now! hope you all enjoy this one
There's still plenty of time for this one.
Last years expedition was cancelled due to lack of numbers, if the same happens this time I doubt if the opportunity will arise again.
There's still plenty of time for this one.
Last years expedition was cancelled due to lack of numbers, if the same happens this time I doubt if the opportunity will arise again.
Would the not merge the two groups and form a joint course??
But only for one week, not over two which I'm aiming for...
I have spent a fair amount of time above the Arctic circle and have not yet been lucky enough to see the Northern Lights. This is a great trip at a very good price put together by Tony and Woody.
I am surprised that it has not selling like hot cakes. If you are considering an Arctic adventure then do it and book.
I have no connection with Woody and Bushcraft Expeditions in fact he is a competitor but this course is a really good deal.
crowded-solitude
06-06-2011, 14:51
If i can make the cash ill be there!
Pandabean
06-06-2011, 15:21
One thing that has put me off going on the trip was the flights. For me I would have to get down to Glasgow/Edinburgh and fly out from there, stay a night and a full day in Oslo, then get a flight up to the site the following day. Either that or get a flight to London from Aberdeen and then over. Would have been easier for me to get to Stavanger and then fly from there but there were no connecting flights when I last looked.
Plus would have to save up the pennies and got a place on a course in a couple weeks.
This sounds like a great week, I think the expeditions you are offering through Bushcraft Expeditions are at a great price as well!
I am very tempted by this but am torn between saving for this or the Borneo expedition which you are running later in 2012.
I think I'll have to do more research into flight prices to see which exped will be more achievable for me (got a bit more time to save for Borneo, although it is more expensive) but both are sounding great so I've started saving the pennies...
Had a quick look at the link Woody posted and the flight prices seem to be around £250, is this what other people have found?
Depends where you are flying from, I'm starting from Manchester so not much help for you I'm afraid.
Just started making a canvas and Ventile anorak for this.
I'll post up when it's done.
As promised.
http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/assets/images/Snow-Parka.jpg
More details here. (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74611&p=906017#post906017)
crowded-solitude
06-06-2011, 17:11
wow that look awesome how long have you been working on that?
It took me about a week of work to put together but I've been kicking ideas around for a good couple of months.
I'm doing a lot of work on my kit now because I don't want to end up shelling out for stuff that I decide I need next February.
Having said that, I'm surprised at how much of the required kit I've already got available. If truth be told I could probably get by without any new kit... But where's the fun in that?
One thing that has put me off going on the trip was the flights. For me I would have to get down to Glasgow/Edinburgh and fly out from there, stay a night and a full day in Oslo, then get a flight up to the site the following day. Either that or get a flight to London from Aberdeen and then over. Would have been easier for me to get to Stavanger and then fly from there but there were no connecting flights when I last looked.
Plus would have to save up the pennies and got a place on a course in a couple weeks.
Alternatively get yourself down to me in Manchester for a stop over and fly out together.
But only for one week, not over two which I'm aiming for...
But better than no week at all?
Aye... But I can probably only afford to do this once, and combining both courses with only one return flight to pay for is a big attraction.
The other thing is that I often find it takes me a couple of days to really get into "the zone" so two weeks is so much better than one imo.
Aye... But I can probably only afford to do this once, and combining both courses with only one return flight to pay for is a big attraction.
The other thing is that I often find it takes me a couple of days to really get into "the zone" so two weeks is so much better than one imo.
Actually.. your idea is sounding more and more seductive to my little ears! , H'mm I wonder if I can swing 2 weeks out in the whites stuff... watch this space.
You know you want it, the only question is can you resist it? (http://youtu.be/Vs8YRyrQ1Bc)
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widu13, are you still on this course as well or are you just doing the advanced now?
It looks like we need to drum up a few more people if we want this one to go ahead. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/4570.gif
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Sorry mate, no way could I get more time off work, I'd love to do both but I can't.
I would say keep a hole warm for me but that doesn't sound right :eek:
No worries mate, I can well understand it if you've done some training before.
I think I want to get the basics under my belt first with a warm retreat option before going out on a limb in the wilds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs8YRyrQ1Bc&feature=player_detailpage
I can't believe people aren't queuing up for this though. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/4166.gif
There's lots of people that say they want to do it, hopefully they'll get things sorted so they can, the sooner we've got the go ahead on expeds the sooner people can start planning and sorting kit....Get the word out people :D
Lone Wolf.
11-06-2011, 13:10
I would love to go on this or the Borneo trip , but im getting married soon . But next time .
Honeymoon goodjob :D
Congratulations :240:
TBH Gary, just being in Norway is the benefit. I love Norway. We did Arctic Training in the Scottish Highlands first and I got colder and wetter there. Basic everyday skills just involves learning about coping day to day in the environment i.e. contact gloves, wearing goggles/glasses when there is wind, heat management etc.
Even in March the weather will vary. In the same period (over 3 months) in 87 we had -40C to +5C!
I also remember not having a lot of kit issued to us. We were issued a cold weather "Falklands parka" a cold weather hat (which we weren't allowed to use the ear flaps of until it was -20C) and boots/gaiters (for the ski bindings) and mittens but nothing else. We already had chinese fighting suits and long johns though as part of the normal kit issue.
Boots are perplexing me at the mo. I don't want to spend much and mickey mouse boots might be a goer as the course(s) aren't physically challenging for extended periods.
I managed to pick up a second hand (or should that be foot) pair of Baffin pac boots which I was going to use for any major yomping and wet snow stuff.
The kit list suggests a pair of trainers or some such for indoors and in tents but I'm thinking of making a pair of Mukluks, which I can use the pac boot liners in, for loafing around camp and any indoor stuff.
I don't own trainers so it seems a better option to me.
crowded-solitude
12-06-2011, 00:05
i wish i could put the deposit down on this but im signed off sick atm so am low low low on cash.
how cold are we talkin here? the lowest here this winter was about -16 if its not much colder than that i dont think ill need much more kit so that would be one more think to spend on
It really does depend on the weather. -40C is not unusual but not the norm. If you are kitted out for -16C in the Scottish "wet" climate you should already have enough kit for the drier Arctic climate.
Movement and diet have a large contribution to add as well.
The only time I tend to get chilled in cold weather is when I'm standing around doing nothing (usually waiting by my camera tripod for some fleeting light). When I'm active as I suspect we will be for much of the time on this course, I'm often stripped down to just a couple of layers.
Keeping the body well fuelled up with high calorie foods helps a lot too.
As widu13 mentioned, the humidity is a big factor. The UK rarely gets the sort of dry cold that we are likely to encounter in Norway because of the Gulf Stream. In our damp climate we often feel the cold more.
The kit list that accompanies the course details looks very well thought out, if you can hit all the points on there you shouldn't go far wrong.
The only reason I'm making stuff at the moment is that I'm enjoying the excuse to make new gear. (As if I really need an excuse.)
crowded-solitude
13-06-2011, 23:52
should be sorted only have to get some thermals and a new roll mat as i let my one to a friends and he dropped it on a fire and it burnt to bits
Just found this cracking shot taken by wasteoid (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45771&page=13) from the last expedition.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/wasteoid/Norway%202010/DSC_0186_fixed.jpg
Hope he doesn't mind me linking it in here.
Wayland stop it, you are making me want to pack a bag and head out there now!
It looks amazing over there, really looking forward to this now.
That's nothing, I'm just taking a break from making yet more gear for this trip.
I can't remember the last time I looked forward to something this much. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/excited.gif
I keep packing and unpacking my bergan to check I can get everything I want to take in and under the baggage allowances.
I wanted to be on 2010 but just couldn't afford it back then, I was still a bit skint when 2011 came around but I've been saving like mad to get on this one.
I just hope we get a few more bodies on this one so I can do both together.
Hi All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
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We need a bit of a recruitment drive for this one then. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/character0175.gif
If you are still thinking about this one take a look at this thread here (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45771&page=12).
Looks like the last group had a great time.
Just for interest I've put a page up on my website here (http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/html/arctic_trip.html) showing my ongoing preparations for this trip.
They are far and above what's on the required equipment list but I'm just enjoying having and excuse to make new stuff.
Just for interest I've put a page up on my website here (http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/html/arctic_trip.html) showing my ongoing preparations for this trip.
They are far and above what's on the required equipment list but I'm just enjoying having and excuse to make new stuff.
Thats a lovely load of work you have there.
Spikey DaPikey
25-07-2011, 20:28
Excellent :D
wasteoid
25-07-2011, 22:25
Wayland no problem using my shot mate.
If anyone is undecided, you won't regret it, we went up on the first expedition and had a ball. Woodys team were great. Bought most of my kit on the cheap on the bay.
Wasted ( chris )
Wayland no problem using my shot mate.
If anyone is undecided, you won't regret it, we went up on the first expedition and had a ball. Woodys team were great. Bought most of my kit on the cheap on the bay.
Wasted ( chris )
Such as? Cheers!
is it still possible to go?
i still need to get funds etc, but would really like to go as its my gap year
Lonja
Certainly, there are spaces left.
Just drop Becky a deposit and you're on the list.
wasteoid
26-07-2011, 23:48
Such as? Cheers!
Hi mate,
Bought boots ( Matterhorn - bought squres of felt for insoles), Swedish army arctic smock and trousers, army reversible "thermal trousers - snugpacK a likes" second hand snugpak Antarctica re sleeping bag (may sell it on if it helps someone go), Brit army goretex bivi bag ( same deal). British army leather gloves (black) and after treating with snow proof ( off eBay) they were great. Submariners woolen socks from army surplus. Got a deal on a swanndri captains shirt. got goretex over mitts, didn't use them. Bought german moleskine insulated trousers which were fine under Swedish arctic trousers. Got British army gaiters.
Bought new thermarest, Swedish leather mitts from ray,s shop, ullafrote mitts as liners (actually cheaper than you think),
Already had knives, hats, fak, rucksack, snugpak sleek a jacket and a north face big down jacket and falke wool thermals.I also had snow goggles from skiing, but could have gotten eBay specials cheap for the amount I used them.
In the end, practically live in thermals, wool jumper, swandri shirt. Thermal leggings (2 pairs when it was really cold) thermal moleskines, 1 pair thin wool socks, 1 pair submarine socks, Matterhorn boots, wooly hat, army gloves. And over everything swedish arctic whites and goretex gaiters.
I suppose I could have got better gear but not better value, I changed a few bits the second time I went but essentially wore the same gear.
Pm me if anyone has questions,
Chris
I never really wore the north face jacket, but used the snugpak bits a lot when we stopped to rest etc.
Sound like a good outfit Chris.
So it's mainly relatively thin layers (up to 3) with Snugpac a likes for the stationary bits then?
wasteoid
28-07-2011, 23:40
Thats the way I used it. The layers really work in the dry cold. It enables you to open and remove layers when hot and close up and add layers when cold. I did shove on a goretex Brit army jacket (again eBay) when it was blowing. The snugpak jacket and trousers were for hanging about in, and when we were out with the dog sleds. Over all the arctic whites were enough when moving about or doing things.
I regret not taking a brush, to brush boots and clothing off With.
Good luck to all who decide to go.
Chris
Thanks Chris for listing.
barryasmith
30-07-2011, 00:03
I managed to pick up a second hand (or should that be foot) pair of Baffin pac boots which I was going to use for any major yomping and wet snow stuff.
The kit list suggests a pair of trainers or some such for indoors and in tents but I'm thinking of making a pair of Mukluks, which I can use the pac boot liners in, for loafing around camp and any indoor stuff.
I don't own trainers so it seems a better option to me.
Hi wayland, I've seen some of your work on the site and it looks really good. Regarding the mukluks though, they are designed to be breathable and for dry cold. So perfect outside on the norway trip but you wouldn't wear them as your main indoor/tent boot as any snow or ice they do pick up will just melt into fabric and refreeze when you get them cold again.
Your Baffin boots will be perfect and just wearing socks or some light (nanok) overboots indoors will be fine.
By all means make the mukluks for outside though, I think you'd do a great job.
I did the trip with wastoid last year and another trip the year before, think that I have listed my kit on here before but will check and drop you a link.
Have fun.
Barry
wasteoid
30-07-2011, 00:13
Hope you are wearing your layers tonight bud. ;-)
Love to all.
Chris.
A thread here (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77788) about future possibilities that might interest people.
Prez_Gee
04-09-2011, 04:01
Very tempted with this course. I havent done much bushcraft before.(did a trueways 5 day course last year) Also I am a bit worried about the flights. getting lost etc. I will be starting from staffordshire, can anyone help?????
Nick
We're all finding our way with regards flights, some of the Air schedules are not fixed for March 2012 until October 2011 which doesn't help.
The pick up will be at the airport and there will be a bunch of us there so that shouldn't be a problem, as for experience, I think a lot of use are newbies when it comes to this sort of thing, I don't think you'll have anything to worry about.
Leonidas
11-09-2011, 16:51
Anyone thinking of doing this should jump at the chance.
Having done this in 2010 with Woody and the crew I would recommend this to anyone even remotely interested in visiting the arctic circle.
Put it this way....never be lost for something to talk about ever again, absolutely guaranteed to come back with fabulous memories AND this is definitely a tick on the list of lifes todo's
Got loads of pics from the 2010 exped if anyone is interested.....if yes, I'll post the link.
Thoughts (IMHO)
What if I were doing this again? - I'd only be taking half the kit I took on the 2010 exped!
If you are thinking of a large ice jacket or 550 powerfill monster coat, (Which is what I did) total waste of time......great if you are stood still.....soon as you move you are sweating (Mind you I was 2 or 3 stone heavier back then....yikes).....go for layers and cotton...
Recommend, base layer, cotton shirt, wool jumper and single layer cotton snow smock type top layer.....it is too cold and dry to get wet...this approach allows you to make a hot start or cold start...and adjust your temperature on the move as the workload increases or decreases....i.e. hiking up a hill / through a patch of deep snow.
Boots - make sure they are roomy so you trap the air in the boots (Not expel it) between the layers of insulation and sock/s....tight fitting boots will make for cold spots....I had ice boots rated to -40....they were too warm and a little loose for hiking, I took the liners out each evening and dried them by the fire as they got damp....
The NF Nuptse down camp boots were a luxury around the camp.
Best single buy for the expedition...(IMHO) a down filled 9" LW 'Exped' sleeping mat, some folks complained of being cold (Which it was) I did not have this problem....There were absolutely no cold spots beneath me. Which makes for a good nights sleep, it is awful waking cold, so I am told...
Pack small heavy stuff in your carry on luggage (That you are allowed on as carry luggage).
Might be worth getting food shipped over as a group, in advance....just a thought.
That is all that springs to mind at the moment.
Enjoy the course, it will be awesome.
Cheers
Tom
ive got one question regarding travel,
i cant seem to find any flights on the 4th, how are you guys doing it, and only find flights for the 11th, how are you guys doing it?
Lonja
ok so im just gonna ask, then do my research
which option is the cheapest travel option?
I'm travelling from Manchester and may be out for two weeks so I can't help you much I'm afraid.
There may be some clues in the threads from two years ago though.
1. Wayland
2. Imagedude
3. skaus84
4. Loenja
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Unless we get a lot more people on this list I don't think this course will be happening.
That would be a real shame... :puppy_dog
We are only 11 short, there is still time...
I love an optimist... http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/1_smiley_biggrin.gif
I hope you are right, it's a great opportunity that may well not come around again. I'm very surprised that it is filling up so slowly but I'm also trying to decide what to do with a spare week that I am not taking bookings for.
I may well fly over there anyway and have a bit of an adventure on my own.
Bush Matt
09-10-2011, 23:05
I have a nasty feeling that this is going to frustrate me! I was definitely booked on last years cancelled course but can't consider the upcoming courses for another month. It looks like the advanced is full and the basic won't happen again! Agghhh!!
Perhaps one for the mods and BE to consider - but how about running two 'advanced' weeks - since experience isn't required for the advanced I think this could work with the first week exploring different (intermediate?) skills to the second.
matt
Chris the Cat
10-10-2011, 06:10
Having done, and loved the basic last year, there is very little chance that I would have gone straight onto the advanced without a break.
This is taxing stuff fellas ! I know I am getting on ( 47 ) but I have spent the last 9 years as a level 3 fitness instructor and personal trainer
And I was knackered ! Its Bloody cold ! All the time ! That realy takes it out of you, everything takes much, much longer and needs real cocentration
At all times.
That said, it was the best trip of my bushcrafting life !!
Hope it works out for you Bush Matt.
My best.
Chris.
I love an optimist... http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/1_smiley_biggrin.gif
I hope you are right, it's a great opportunity that may well not come around again. I'm very surprised that it is filling up so slowly but I'm also trying to decide what to do with a spare week that I am not taking bookings for.
I may well fly over there anyway and have a bit of an adventure on my own.
im tempted to do the same (adventure on my own, but a little daunted by the fact I've never been anywhere colder than Germany in midwinter :eek:)
Not much difference tbh depending where in Germany. I've often seen -25c there.
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Have just been talking to Becky at Bushcraft Expeditions about the flight possibilities as originally the details said
Timings and pick-up/drop off:
RV time 11:30hr on the 4th March in Bardufoss airport arrivals hall.
Drop off for travel home 08:00hr on the 10th at BDU airport.
and
Group 1: Those flying to Oslo with Ryan on the Saturday, stopping in Oslo overnight and then flying onto Bardufoss on the Sunday (Returning the same route but with no overnight in Oslo) This is the suggested and probably the best travel option.
Group 2: Those doing the above but not stopping in Oslo overnight it might be a good idea if this group organise a charter bus/taxi/minibus to get them from one airport to the other in Oslo as there is only 3 hours between flights and it will give you piece of mind having some one meet/drop you off - this should not be necessary on the return flight as you have 6 hours between flights this is probably the cheapest flight option.
I am guessing the timetables have changed a bit as outward it still looks possible with an overnight in Oslo, the only Norwegian departure I can see from Bardufoss on 10th is at 06:30hr and that gives 4hrs between airports arrival to departure.
Has anyone else found anything different?
Becky did say this is extremely unlikely to go ahead as there are only 3 confirmed bookings, unfortunately the price of the "public" version is simply too much for my son even as an 18th Birthday present (assuming we can find reasonable flights) so do we pay the deposit for this and hope it picks up enough for Woody to feel it is worth doing bearing in mind the other guys are out for the Advanced the following week or resign ourselves to it is just not going to happen.
Peter
If it doesn't go ahead you will get your deposit back.
It is quite possible that there are others out there looking at this and thinking it won't happen because there are not enough names on the list.
If the list gets longer they might join in. We Brits love a queue.
All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
1. wayland
2. snijd005
3. skaus84
4.Loenja
Into_the_wild
20-12-2011, 22:58
Hi, Is there places left for this trip, cant see any posts after November, so just wondering. I haven't looked at all the details yet, flights etc, Ive only just become a member but I could be interested. Thanks!
there are spaces left (afaik). we need more people to sign up to get it going though
Imagedude
20-12-2011, 23:30
The course needs another 11 places filled if it is to run. I'm interested as are a couple of other people but I'm not going to put a deposit on a course on which the 'organisers' have shown so little committment to running.
I don't think commitment is lacking on their side. You can't expect them to run a course if people don't sign up for it.
I put my deposit down a long time ago even though I don't have a lot of spare money hanging around, I also ring-fenced time and the remaining funds in my accounts.
I'll agree it's been very frustrating to sit on my hands and wait for confirmation that at least the advanced course will run but if the basic doesn't run I'll just transfer the deposit to paying for the advanced course and use the remaining ring-fenced funds to go out there and do something else, either on my own or with others. What is there to lose?
By not showing commitment on our side it is discouraging others to sign up so if we missthis fantastic oportunity we have only ourselves to blame really.
Leonidas
21-12-2011, 17:20
I've no connection to Woody and his team but I did go on the March 2010 Arctic Exped (And it was awesome).
Been reading the thread with interest and picked up on the comment 'little commitment to running'.....(and only over a deposit for goodness sake!)
Deposits would be returned if the course were cancelled through lack of numbers......check the T&C's
Do not mistake caution for lack of commitment......indeed some might say it is the lack of commitment to a deposit (Which are refundable if the course does not proceed)....that will kill the course getting off the ground in the first place!
Folks who place a deposit are showing their commitment and are unlikely to back out and leave the course numbers short (They need minimum numbers because the margin is so small).
Loads of folks genuinely wanted to go in 2010, in fact it looked like it would over book.....but the numbers dwindled due to various reasons, only those who had made a deposit ended up going (in the main).
But in summary, a modicum of frustration in the process is normal but challenging their commitment, is a tad iffy.......
Imagedude
21-12-2011, 17:47
Advertising a course then doing nothing to publicise or promote the event hardly demonstates a commitment to the course. Why has no effort been made to save the course by advertising on climbing or skiing forums? I'm sure the places could be filled if the providers showed a little creativity and gumption.
Why has no effort been made to save the course by advertising on climbing or skiing forums?
It's a course put together specifically for members of this forum, why would it be advertised on other forums?
I have spoken to a couple of other providers who have said they will not even try to compete as the package for THIS FORUM is priced so keenly, the public version is around 3 times the price with relatively minor changes but catered and in all reality BE probably need to fill that, and who can blame them they need to make a living.
This is an opportunity for BCUK members and we really need to make the running on it. Having met Woody he seems to want these courses/exped to succeed but he also has business to run. Bushcraft Expeditions have answered most of my questions quickly both via the office and Ross has personally. For me *personally* the flights etc are a problem as being in term time we have to work with college timetable otherwise there would have been at least one more signed up.
Leonidas
21-12-2011, 18:50
Why has no effort been made to save the course by advertising on climbing or skiing forums? I'm sure the places could be filled if the providers showed a little creativity and gumption.
and the point goes sailing by...! :deadhorse:
Advertising a course then doing nothing to publicise or promote the event hardly demonstates a commitment to the course. Why has no effort been made to save the course by advertising on climbing or skiing forums? I'm sure the places could be filled if the providers showed a little creativity and gumption.
Personally I have done my best to sell it at every opportunity.
This is a course run at a special price for us.
They run other courses at higher prices but this is a special deal for us.
If anyone needs to show commitment, creativity and gumption it is us.
I've done what I can... How about you.
Imagedude
22-12-2011, 13:50
Personally I have done my best to sell it at every opportunity.
If only the providers had put in as much effort
This is a course run at a special price for us.
We all appreciate that
They run other courses at higher prices but this is a special deal for us.
But if we don't make up the numbers there will be no course
If anyone needs to show commitment, creativity and gumption it is us.
I've done what I can... How about you.
Well I've paid the deposit now!
The thing that's annoyed me is that an interested party asked a question on one of the arctic exped posts but didn't get a reply from the organisers. That is really poor form, very 'second eleven'.
All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
1. wayland
2. snijd005
3. skaus84
4.Loenja
5.imagedude
Merry Christmas Everyone!
And best of the season to you all. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/deers.gif
Leonidas
22-12-2011, 14:31
And best of the season to you all. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/deers.gif
The best of Yuletide to you too..... :)
Hope everyone gets to go on this, you'll never be lost for a discussion topic round the dinner table or camp fire again!!
As the airline schedules have obviously changed since Woody and Tony posted the original details what travel plans are people considering?
Edit: Chris posted on the other thread at same time :) THIS POST (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83784&page=2&p=1013457#post1013457)
Thanks Peter for adding the link and apologies if I put the info in the wrong place - I havn't been following this issue until the last day or so
Dangerous Dan
01-01-2012, 14:06
Right chaps, add one to the list. I'm just waiting to hear back from Becky so I can sort the deposit out. I had hoped to rope in an accomplice but that's looking unlikely now. Providing I can make the timings work I'm hoping to fly out of Manchester.
Nice one Dan. Lets hope a few more come out of the woodwork in time for this one.
Good move Dan, I hope you've started the ball rolling.
Add one more! I'll speak with Becky later this week - maybe it'll happen after all :)
Dangerous Dan
01-01-2012, 22:27
Oh thank you very much Gary, I've been called many things but 'Wood-boring Insect' is a new one! :p
Glad to be aboard
Nice one Ted, if we can get a few more then we may be able to negotiate if we can't get full compliment. Perhaps working from just Laavu's without a building would reduce the overheads enough to go still ahead on reduced numbers?
Oh thank you very much Gary, I've been called many things but 'Wood-boring Insect' is a new one! :p
Glad to be aboard
Better than being a Boring wood insect... http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/10980.gif
Not the best choice of words I suppose but I hope you know what I meant.
Lets keep fingers crossed...
deepforest2501
03-01-2012, 00:23
would it be terrible to suggest that this course might run during Christmas hol time or maybe from 27th Dec next year. I work in education and it is impossible to get this time off. I really mean no chance. The school would have to buy in cover for my absence even if I take it off without pay. we are already losing more staff this year due to cutbacks. The course sounds the business.
Falling in term time was a big blow for me too.
I guess that as a business they had to think about customers paying full price in the holidays rather than us in the cheap seats.
I'm not sure it as feasible to run it at that time of the year-daylight hours are the shortest of the year, snow levels are lower, flights are more expensive which would have put me and others off and ice is thinner on the lakes.
March is perfect and the best time of year to go-longer daylight and lots of snow to dig into.
Personally, I don't think I'd have gone in December.
All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
1. wayland
2. snijd005
3. skaus84
4.Loenja
5.imagedude
6.tedw
All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
1. wayland
2. snijd005
3. skaus84
4.Loenja
5.imagedude
6.tedw
7. Dangerous Dan
Dangerous Dan
05-01-2012, 13:40
If we're struggling for numbers would anyone mind if I try to recruit from my workplace? I have a couple who'd be interested but aren't BCUK members. I guess we could soon sort that out if it's a problem :)
aquinatis
05-01-2012, 14:56
I am very very new here: just one post.
I wonder if a such expedition is open for a french guy with only one post :-)?
Seriously, I used to spend nignt outdoor during winter, I projected to go North, but I discover today that there is a possibility to do that with other bushcrafters.... here with BUK.
Chris the Cat
05-01-2012, 15:45
I THINK you need to become a full member aquinatis ( its worth it anyway! )
Welcome to our site.
My best.
Chris.
I THINK you need to become a full member aquinatis ( its worth it anyway! )
Neither Loenja or tedw are full members, so probably not ~ but it could have been the case in previous years :dunno:
Definitely right on it worth becoming a Full Member though ;)
Open to all on the forum, as you now are.
There are a couple of people on the advanced course that have only just signed on.
You'd be very welcome.
If we're struggling for numbers would anyone mind if I try to recruit from my workplace? I have a couple who'd be interested but aren't BCUK members. I guess we could soon sort that out if it's a problem :)
Sounds like a good idea to me Dan, go for it.
aquinatis
06-01-2012, 02:08
Well i do not make the difference now beetween full member and .... not full member :-) I will study that!
Well i do not make the difference now beetween full member and .... not full member :-) I will study that!
Do not worry about it, just check the expedition details and sign-up!
When I did the Foundation probably well less than half had posted previously and only a very small number were full members.
Full Members choose to pay a small amount to help pay the site bills and get a few added features.
When it comes to courses and Expeds there's no difference in signing up, on some things we give the FM's first dibs on places but for things like this it doesn't matter.
If anyone has someone interested that they trust then feel free to invite them, we have members that bring along family that aren't members so it will be fine. So, if you've got a work college, a mate for a family member then feel free to get them on board. It's a great opportunity at a great price.
Dangerous Dan
12-01-2012, 10:04
Thanks for the clarification Tony - just as well really as I've canvassing quite heavily :) Of the hundreds onsite the best I can get is a 'maybe', unfortunately one maybe is a long way from eight definites :(
Unfortunately I was made redundant yesterday and the company I worked for have informed me that they cannot afford to pay me my last months wages so I have had to withdraw from this and the Advanced Arctic course, so that is one less name on the list.
Sorry to hear that, I hope that you find work soon mate.
The time for the drop off at the end of the course has changed due to flight times changing, rest assured all that you will be at the airport in time for the flight.
Dear All
As today is the go/no go date for this course I will be evaluating this course at the end of the day and will also be sending out emails to each person accordingly
Regards
Becky
Dear All
We regret to say that the above expedition is cancelled due to insufficient numbers as today is the go/no go date. I will email all students who paid a deposit with details of your refund
Regards
Becky
Not unexpected, but gutted all the same...
Dangerous Dan
13-01-2012, 20:58
:( A big shame. If it runs next year stick me at the top of list.
What about running the course over February half term (school holiday) next year?
I too am a teacher, so can't get non term time off.
I know the flights might be slightly more pricey, but if it means the course running...
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Dangerous Dan
14-01-2012, 13:42
I dare say BCE will give the whole thing a bit of post-mortem at some point. Timing has been mentioned a couple of times and I think the Bardufoss connection vagaries may have contributed also. I'm fairly certain the minimum numbers were chosen to make the project financially viable but even with an audience of several thousand, getting 15 people to commit to something on the same date can be incredibly difficult - I'm equally sure that the term 'like herding cats' was first coined by an event organiser!
clubduvet
17-01-2012, 16:21
It's suffering the same fate over at the Canadian Canoe Expedition page, as I originally wanted to go on this Arctic Expedition until that came up.
Sadly dates for no-go's don't tie up (as it's Feb for canoe trip) not that my single place would have saved this.