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2012 bcuk Advanced Arctic Expedition
INTRODUCTION
The Bushcraft UK, Advanced Arctic skills course is a 6 day (fully inclusive) Arctic bushcraft and survival course led by certified UK guides/instructors. The course is a "no frills" low cost opportunity for members of the Bushcraft UK community to experience and practice top of the range instruction, 400km inside the Arctic Circle.
During the course students will be expected to participate in routine tasks around the camp such as firewood collection, water collection, and general camp duties.
Accommodation will be in snow holes and/or lean-to's.
NOTE: This course is not for those expecting a comfortable holiday! Moreover, it will be conducted in a wilderness location with no man made structures to return to in the case of inclement weather. There is no requirement for participants to do the standard Arctic course that runs before this course but they do need to have experience of wilderness living/camping and be able to cook/fend for themselves.
COURSE DETAILS:
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU READ THE FOLLOWING CAREFULLY BEFORE MAKING A BOOKING.
Course provider: Bushcraft Expeditions.
Minimum numbers: 8
Maximum numbers 12
Minimum age: 18 (16 if accompanied by an adult)
Date of Expedition: 11th – 16th March 2012 (Inc)
Expedition go/no go date: 15th January 2012
Duration: 6-day itinerary. Arriving/starting day one/departing day six.
Timings and pick-up/drop off:
RV time 11:30hr on the 11th March in Bardufoss airport arrivals hall.
Drop off for travel home 08:00hr on the 16th at BDU airport.
Accommodation and catering:
Accommodation: Snow holes and lean-too's
Catering: The Expedition is on a self-catering basis. Students can either bring rations from the UK or purchase locally. Transport will be provided on day one at a cost of £2.00 per person/per trip to the local supermarket to purchase rations. Cooking: Meth's burning (or similar) stoves – Students to provide, (Meths and unleaded can be purchased locally) and/or open fires.
Nb. Every student must bring a cooker.
Expedition Cost and payment details:
Expedition Cost: £440.00 (Fully inclusive of VAT)
A Non refundable deposit of £120.00 is required on booking – THIS DEPOSIT WILL BE REFUNDED IN FULL IF THE EXPEDITION DOES NOT GO AHEAD
Final payments: payable immediately from the 15th January if expedition takes place and by no later than 15th February (any one failing to pay their final payment by the 15th February will lose their deposit and forfeit their place to a reserve)
All bookings and payments should be made directly to Bushcraft Expeditions by the following means:
To pay by credit/debit card:
Contact Becky in the Bushcraft Expeditions office on 01432 356700. You will need to provide your full name, address, bank/card and contact (email and phone) details and BCUK user name.
To pay by Paypal:
Contact Becky in the Bushcraft Expeditions office on 01432 356700 or on the email address below. You will need to provide your full name, address, contact (email and phone) details, and BCUK user name. Do not make any payment until you have confirmed your booking with Bushcraft Expeditions office.
inforequest@bushcraftexpeditio ns.com (use this email address for Paypal payments)
To pay by bank transfer:
If paying directly into the bank by bank transfer etc please phone the number above for the account details. You will need to provide your full name, address, bank/card and contact (email and phone) details and BCUK user name.
All payments are by secure means.
On receipt of your booking and clearance of your deposit, all paper work will be sent via email,unless otherwise requested differently
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT NO STUDENTS BOOK FLIGHTS OR PURCHASE EXPEDITION EQUIPMENT OR FOOD UNTIL THE EXPEDITION HAS BEEN CONFIRMED TO BE TAKING PLACE. NIETHER BUSHCRAFT UK OR BUSHCRAFT EXPEDITIONS WILL BE HELD LIABLE FOR ANY EXPENSE AS A RESULT OF STUDENTS NOT COMPLYING WITH THE ABOVE STATEMENT
This course is an opportunity to put into practice true wilderness living skills and skills learnt from the previous week (If attended) and to learn advanced techniques for living in extreme cold away from conventional accommodations etc.
Subjects covered and practised:
1. Routine and living in the Arctic Wilderness environment.
2. Dressing for the cold environment.
3. Advanced Cold injuries recognition, and medical procedures in the cold environment. (Including situation scenarios)
4. Avalanche threats and other wilderness dangers
5. Tree felling in Cold environments
6. Natural Shelters. Quincy, Arctic lean to, emergency shelters snow holes and igloos - (conditions permitting) These will be your home!
7. Advanced fire lighting and Extended fire husbandry in the extreme cold.
8. Campcraft and camp construction.
9. Arctic Tracking and wild life observation.
10. Ice Fishing.
11. Ice crossing procedures.
12. advanced traps and trapping lanes in the Arctic.
13. Navigation.
14. Signalling and rescue.
15. Water procurement, carriage and preparation for consumption in the Arctic.
16. Field cookery in the extreme cold.
Included in the price:
1. Full instruction in Advanced Arctic Bushcraft and Survival from UK/English speaking Guides.
2. All internal transfers from/to the meeting point.
3. Site fees (private land and National park)
5. Fully trained on site expedition medical cover.
6. Bushcraft UK Advanced Arctic Course certificate.
7. Sauna/wash facility at end of course.
Not included in the cost:
1. International flights/transport to designated meeting point.
2. Any additional activities other than those stated.
3. Clothing and equipment hire.
4. Personal travel/cancellation insurance
Optional/additional activities and equipment hire available on site:
1. Extreme cold clothing hire.
2. Extreme cold footwear hire.
3. Extreme cold sleeping bag + liner hire.
(all above subject to availability on a first come basis)
Form a disorderly que behind me!!! Yes Please.
Chris the Cat
09-02-2011, 20:03
Damn yes!!
Chris.
wolf man
15-02-2011, 13:45
Damn, I'm so bl***y annoyed!!!!!!!!!!!:aargh4:
This is right in the middle of the school term :tapedshut:cussing::banghead:. Not a chance that i'll get the time off to attend this.
I suppose that I could pull a sicky :AR15firin:AR15firin:AR15firin
I'm in the process of negotiating the rescheduling of a three day booking that sits in the middle of this.
If we can agree a new date I'll be there, if not...... http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/mad0228.gif
PS. Is the required equipment list the same as for the basic course?
Chris the Cat
02-03-2011, 20:46
Come on Cats !!
( Sure you can't make it Wolfy? There must be a way mate! )
Chris.
Can I ---Oh can I -- i wonder
Chris the Cat
02-03-2011, 21:44
Come on Nick !
You know you want to mate!!
Chris.
Absolute bargain, and a proper adventure - but I'm getting married this summer and the Mrs to be insists on something a little more Mediterranean for the honeymoon!
I should know for definite in about two weeks.
wolf man
03-03-2011, 15:57
Cat, it's right in the middle of school term, and there's no way the head will let me have the time off, even if I offerred to NOT get payed for the duration.
The only way that I can see, is to go to the doctor and say that i'm getting stressed...that way I may get a few weeks signed off. If I get caught...i'll be in the firing line...actually I will get fired.
The only option for me is to resign......
A little sabbatical? or you could be following up on an opportunity for a school Exped and you're doing a recce :D
Cat, it's right in the middle of school term, and there's no way the head will let me have the time off, even if I offerred to NOT get payed for the duration.
The only way that I can see, is to go to the doctor and say that i'm getting stressed...that way I may get a few weeks signed off. If I get caught...i'll be in the firing line...actually I will get fired.
The only option for me is to resign......
It's over twelve months away, if you notify the head of the school that you are not available for work for the specified dates now they will have plenty of time to make alternative arrangements for the week. They are your employer, not your master after all!
The timing is bad for me too really. I want to do both courses together but it means I am losing two weeks of earnings during term time that I cannot recover, I had hoped it would only be one.
It has effectively added 50% to what this trip is going to cost me and I have to make sure I do not lose an important and regular customer as a result too. If I cannot talk them into moving next years booking then there is just no chance for me to go.
I wish it had fallen across the school holidays too and I can see Wolf Man's problem, If you are a teacher you really are not able to just take a holiday during term time, it's a fast way to start looking for another job.
Tony, I've paid a deposit for the basic but can I jump across to the Advanced instead? I'll fire off an email to Becs.
Chris the Cat
05-03-2011, 09:57
Cat, it's right in the middle of school term, and there's no way the head will let me have the time off, even if I offerred to NOT get payed for the duration.
The only way that I can see, is to go to the doctor and say that i'm getting stressed...that way I may get a few weeks signed off. If I get caught...i'll be in the firing line...actually I will get fired.
The only option for me is to resign......
Wolfy, that would be a great shame mate, it would be a real blast to take what we did last time around and 'notch it up one' !
We need to get at least 8 for this trip, so it should be do-able, just wish you could make it too pal !
I am going to aim for this if I can, if the last trip was the experience of a lifetime then I am hopeing this one will last several lifetimes!
Take it easy fella.
And to anyone out there thinking of either of these trips, do your self a favourand go for it!! Best valve , brilliant tuition, fantastic landscapes.
Unforgettable.
My best.
Chris.
Chris the Cat
05-03-2011, 09:58
Tony, I've paid a deposit for the basic but can I jump across to the Advanced instead? I'll fire off an email to Becs.
...Is it deposit time now ! ?
Nah, it's my deposit from the now cancelled (sob, sob) 2011 Exped that I've told them to keep as the deposit for next year.
wolf man
06-03-2011, 09:22
Cat, i'm really annoyed that I'm missing this. I've been looking forward to an Advanced course, since our last one....you're totally right, it's memories that will last a life time.
I've still got a brilliant picture of you with a bloody tampon up your nose!!!!!!
Wayland: I think that we may need to put some pressure on Woody about changing dates!!!! I really want to do this....
Chris the Cat
15-03-2011, 14:21
Anymore for anymore?
Any luck Wolfy?
Wayland, you up?
My best.
Chris.
Yes I'm in. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/makesnowman.gif
My client has moved their booking to February for me so I can make both courses now.
Just tried to ring Becky with a credit card in my hand but only got the answer phone.
1. Wayland
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
Lets get those spaces filled.
Chris the Cat
20-03-2011, 17:51
1.Wayland
2. Chris the Cat
1. Wayland
2. Chris the Cat
3. TeeDee
I had to miss out last year and I was gutted (I had even got all the gear together for it), but I've definately got the time off and the funds for this one!
I'm in!
1. Wayland
2. Chris the Cat
3. TeeDee
4. Greg
Imagedude
24-03-2011, 23:17
I'm tempted to do both this course and the basic, would that be ok?
Bob.
1. Wayland
2. Chris the Cat
3. TeeDee
4. Greg
5. Imagedude
Bob , I think you'll find Wayland is planning to do the same.
I'm tempted to do both this course and the basic, would that be ok?
Bob.
I've already put my deposit on both, It makes sense to get two weeks out of one flight cost to me.
I've just paid my deposit for the Advanced Course!
1. Wayland
2. Chris the Cat
3. TeeDee
4. Greg
5. Imagedude
6.
7.
8.
Come on folks, you know you want to do this... Only three more people needed.
1. Wayland
2. Chris the Cat
3. TeeDee
4. Greg
5. Imagedude
6. skaus84
7.
8.
Make that two more people needed.
Good to have you aboard Skaus. goodjob
Just started making a canvas and Ventile anorak for this.
I'll post up when it's done.
Is this going ahead then? I would potentially be interested after the course run last year, but would be looking for something with a more physical/active emphasis?
Cheers,
We just need two more people, if you are one of them I'm sure we can get one more.
skiboyswife
09-06-2011, 16:27
hi all
i have 2 people who are keen to sign up to this but am a little bit worried that the advance arctic expedition has no heated tents. Am i being an over protective wife?!?! will you guys not freeze out there for a week!?!? they really want to go and i dont want to risk signing them up to the normal arctic course which may or may not happen without the full numbers signing up. If we sign them up to the advance arctic course, it's a definite trip. Can anyone advise what it is like without the backup of heated tents to help put my mind at ease?
thanks
Chris the Cat
09-06-2011, 16:35
Cold, Ms Wife !
You need to be on your game. You can and should be comfortable, the instructors are top rate, but as one who has used the heated tents
( And don't forget, the fire is not always on ! ) it is no walk in the park !
However, my last trip with this outfit, put together by BcUK was one of the defining trips of my life ! ( I've made a few! )
I hope this helps in some small way, other will be along later and I am happy to talk to you some more if it would help.
My best.
Chris.
And I am going to keep bumping / pumping the basic trip to get the numbers up for that because I really, really want to do both. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/willynillycopy1.gif
1. Wayland
2. Chris the Cat
3. TeeDee
4. Greg
5. Imagedude
6. skaus84
7. Teepee
8.
I'm in :) Cant get an answer from Becky to take some money, I'll try again tomorrow.
1. Wayland
2. Chris the Cat
3. TeeDee
4. Greg
5. Imagedude
6. skaus84
7. Teepee
8. widu13
Sorry guys, I forgot to update that I successfully migrated my deposit from the basic to advanced course. As it's 20 odd years since my Artic course in the mob I'm hoping I haven't bitten off more than I can chew! Anyhow, more the merrier!
Good to see you on board guys, but party not on yet... http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/sad0.gif
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And I am going to keep bumping / pumping the basic trip to get the numbers up for that because I really, really want to do both. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/willynillycopy1.gif
absolutely :D
And it would be good to get a couple more on this one goodjob
K, this may be a spanner in the works but to secure this as a go ahead all the deposits need to be in place and at the moment they're not, we've got 5 deposits and we'd need all 8 so please get them in as soon as you can and the rest of you hang on before jumping on deals etc for kit and the like.
I completely forgot to cough up, never rang the ofice back. Sorry peeps :o
Should I send it now, or wait to speak to the office tomorrow?
I'd say ring the office- you'll know it's dealt with then.
I have put a post it note on my monitor and the inside of my van windscreen to remind me!
Thanks Widu.
Hi All
Just to let you know there will be no one in the office today(15th June)I will be back in tomorrow morning from 9am
Many thanks
Becky
Thanks for letting us know Becky :)
Morning Everybody
Just to let you know I am now in the office if anyone wishes to make a deposit payment
Regards
Becky
Are all the deposits in now? When should we start thinking of paying off the balance and sorting kit?
Well, I've paid my deposit (actually last year!). We are at minimum numbers so in theory the course will be going ahead, but the cut off date for course confirmation is Jan next year. With the best of intentions we may lose members before then, which would mean we do not have sufficient numbers for the course. Having said that... I've started gathering kit!
Same here, I've paid deposits on both courses and I'm hoping they both go ahead but I'm presuming we're on for at least this one.
I understand there may be people who drop out of the course between now and January, but I certainly hope not as I think this and the basic course (when we hit minimum numbers) will be a hell of an experience not to be missed.
I intend on buying kit anyway as winter bushcraft / camping is something I have been meaning to get into for a while. I guess I should really start scouring the threads about the previous years courses for kit ideas and recommendations.
I guess I will have to put the money I have in place for the course into my ISA to keep it safe, else it will end up being spent on kit.
I should probably get my cute little derriere on some meets to give myself a chance to get to know some of you guys before we go. All that's left to say is 'roll on March!'.
Snip> I guess I should really start scouring the threads about the previous years courses for kit ideas and recommendations. <Snip>
I should probably get my cute little derriere on some meets to give myself a chance to get to know some of you guys before we go. All that's left to say is 'roll on March!'. <Snip
This is a good thread to start on and yes, meets are well worth getting to.
I will be at the Midland meet in July (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73797). That's a good place to start as well.
Hi All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
1.Widu33
2.wayland
3.teedee
4.skaus84
5.Greg
6.teepee
7JamesBentley
8.iceman81
Come on, what's happening guys. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/confused0024.gif
Hi All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
1.Widu33
2.wayland
3.teedee
4.skaus84
5.Greg
6.teepee
7JamesBentley
8.iceman81
Great looks like we're on then. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/tahdah.gif
Are Chris and Bob still hoping to come too?
iceman81
05-07-2011, 22:48
Hi everyone
New to BCUK and forum. Attending this week only along with jamesbentley. Looking forward to getting into planning for trip and equipment, certainly some useful and insightful threads on this site!
Hi guys, really great to have you around and welcome to the forum. I hope you'll like it here. :welcome1:
There is another thread here (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70536) for general discussions about the courses and you might find the thread here (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45771&page=12) about the previous basic course interesting too.
Just noticed your location, I'm running a little course at the Environmental Centre at West Boldon in September, we'll have to get together for a beer or two.
Hi All
Just a note to say even though we do have the minimum numbers for this expedition now please do not book any flights until the expedition go/no go date:15th January 2012, as it is possible that someone may pull out of the expedition before this date.
If you have any questions regarding the expedition please do not hesitate to contact me
Many thanks
Becky
Hi All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
1.Widu33
2.wayland
3.teedee
4.skaus84
5.Greg
6.teepee
7JamesBentley
8.iceman81
9.I**C******
I**C******?
Do we have a secret celebrity joining the group? :confused:
Heads up on Amazon.com for boots. I'm stocking up for this years winter trips, not just for this exped.
A pair of Baffin Doug Stoups just turned up on my doorstep for £75. They're £299 over here! A pair of Baffin Snoports are winging their way over for £45.
The problem I'm finding is getting anyone on that side of the pond to ship replacement liners over here.
You wouldn't think it should be a problem but even Amazon will not send them???
How about http://www.sub-zeroboots.com/?
Same as a lot of other places, they sell the boots but not the liners.
Basically, a pac boot is only any good for sustained use if you have spare liners so one pair can be dried while another is in use.
The UK distributors of Baffin do not carry the liners in the UK because most UK users are not using them for sustained wilderness use and many of the US suppliers will not supply the UK because of trade restrictions or exclusive distribution deals.
I am currently trying to find a US postal forwarding agent to get around this PITA but otherwise I'm going to source some felt and make my own.
Are you fussed about them being brand named? There are some on ebay for liners alone.
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Most of the one I've seen on Ebay are pretty low quality.
What I'm after is something like these (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UQ7474/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A8CH6SZFCF7FZ).
What have you found?
I've found the liners here (http://www.winterfootwear.com/c133-accessories_baffin_replacement _liners.html), but they work out more expensive than the boots in the first place. I suspect making a copy may be the best solution as Wayland has said, although im sure somebody in America will sell some to poor old Blighty.
Edit; After checking my link, they do ship to the UK. The delivery is astronomical though and isnt viable, its cheaper to buy another pair of boots and use the outers as posh plant pots!
As already mentionrd Amazon will ship to the UK and you pre pay the customs charges. Hopefully my Baffin boots will only cost the £60 promised!
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When you get to the checkout at Amazon.com on the liners you get this message saying that:
This item cannot be shipped to the address you selected. (Learn more (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=ox_multi_address_shipping_ restriction_help?ie=UTF8&nodeId=468634&pop-up=1).) You may either change the shipping address or remove the item by clicking Delete.
I haven't found any way to get around it directly but I have found someone who is prepared to accept a US delivery and then post it on to me.
Sorry mate didn't realise it was a 3rd party seller. Amazon DO ship to the uk themselves.
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Its been a while since I've looked at this thread, and I'm really happy to see that so far it is a go.
Good stuff guys!
I reckon it's time to start planning a meet up. I know a possible venue in the Midlands if anyone is interested.
I was thinking the same, Mudlands is good for me.....
Mids are a 200 mile drive for me! But if I can make a meet I will.
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I could probably take a little meander on over to the midlands for a meet.
Depending on the where & when, I could possibly make a meet in the midlands (Long Drive mind!!!)
It would make most sense to organise something in the Winter so we can check out our gear I guess.
As for location I was thinking of Rough Close, Near Coventry where we hold some of the Midland meets.
Thats ideal for me, an hour away. Makes a nice change from driving hundreds of miles :)
My bones are telling me were in for another cold autumn/winter.
iceman81
15-07-2011, 23:58
I'd be up for that as I definitely want to test out my gear before the trip next year. Was thinking of sorting a few weekend trips in the lakes and/or northumberland when the temperatures start to drop anyhow.
Bit tricky with times and venues for me at the moment though, but will certainly make it if I can so keep me updated with your plans.
Matt
It would make most sense to organise something in the Winter so we can check out our gear I guess.
As for location I was thinking of Rough Close, Near Coventry where we hold some of the Midland meets.
Sounds good to me as long as my dates work out!
I'll have a chat with Decorum about it this weekend and we'll see what we can do then.
Out of interest, I've put up a page outlining my preparations on my website here (http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/html/arctic_trip.html).
I'm hoping that it might turn some of the traffic I get into people interested in doing the course, you never know.
I still want to do both If I can so anything I can do to promote the basic course I will.
Just had a read of your website page..I have to say you know how to spin a line! I thought it was really good the way you put the article together and your kit is wonderful, maybe someday when I'm not chasing my 9yr old around the football pitch I'll have time to sit down and fashion some gear...although it would take a shed load of practice (and no doubt alot of cursing!) to get as good as you. It's going to be an absolute pleasure to spend time with you Gary out in the land of snow & ice!
http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/1_smiley_biggrin.gif Well when all is said and done you could say I just talk for a living really. The problem is usually getting me to shut up.
Truth is I'm looking forward to meeting all of you, I've not met anyone through this lark yet that didn't have a wealth of knowledge and a fine story to tell, even if they don't always realise it.
Well I've started prepping too, but nothing along the lines of Wayland's stuff- well done mate. Most of my gear is ex military and will be carried by my trusty Vulcan (but not a canvas one- git ;)). I was having huge problems with footwear. I couldn't find any reasonably priced boots anywhere in the UK, so I solved the problem by importing Baffin Epic series Evolution boots. They are good to -60C.
http://www.baffin.com/product-p/epicm003.htm
Baffin are renowned for sizing their boots small, so for my dainty size 10s I ordered a US12 (one size up for US sizing as the US sizes are sized smaller and one size up for Baffins renowned sizing). So having ordered them from the US they arrived in 2 days only to find out they are too narrow for my foot as I take a wide fitting! To return them costs £40!!! I've ordered some 13s which fit in width, so I have a US12 to get rid of. They will fit a wide UK9 or standard fitting UK10. They are boxed and tagged. PM me for details.
The 13s are brill, well made and very, very warm in the UK summer!!
However, with the kit I have so far I can see that I'll be wearing a lot clothes on the plane!
Mine are US 12s as well.
What did you do about spare liners?
Same size issues here :)
I ordered US 12's for my size 10 plates and they are a little too snug for wearing thick socks, so I'm waiting on 13's to arrive. The fit on the Doug Stoups is better than the Snosports for my wide penguin feet.
My cunning plan is to take both pairs of boots; the less insulated and less bulky snosports for the plane, snowshoeing and warmer weather, the Stoup boots for colder less active wear and staring agog for hours at the Northern lights. I'm thinking that this will negate the need for spare liners, as the boots can be cycled.
After doing some reading on polar expeds, the use of plastic bags on feet as Vapour Barrier socks is common to avoid taking spare liners. I'm planning to have a play with this approach this winter to see if its possible to avoid permanently wrinkly feet, with the use of strong anti-perspirant, lots of talc and spare socks to soak up the perspiration inside the bags.
I've found a good US supplier of felt liners but they won't ship to the UK
I'm currently sorting out a postal agent over there that can hopefully forward them on to me.
I've found a good US supplier of felt liners but they won't ship to the UK
I'm currently sorting out a postal agent over there that can hopefully forward them on to me.
Been looking at the same service, hard to choose who to go for.
I'm not sure how things would work if a package goes missing, as liability stops after dely to a US address-sounds like a potential bag of trouble and missing goods.
Just tried ordering a Rab bag from Amazon for a massive discount and they won't ship it to blighty :(
I'm aiming to go through a friend's relative so hopefully It shouldn't be to bad.
iceman81
26-07-2011, 19:24
Lots of research to do here, although some real useful comments on kit from past trips etc... Wayland's site is also very interesting. Purchased the snow walkers companion as recommended by another BCUK user, this is such an insightful book and may attempt to fashion my own canvas anorak using their templates.
Have recently purchased the Doug Stoup winter boots which should be toasty. Has anyone tried using foam injected ski or snowboard boot liners as a replacement? I do alot of skiing and have had custom ones made in the past, although they can be pricey. Just a thought.
Currently have a couple of options for my stove. Been using the coleman multi fuel for a while on unleaded or colemans meths fuel, works really well. Also have a jetboil which is normally used for camping etc..., not sure if would be much use on this trip though. Interested in testing out the can burner which Wayland has made as well. A friend of mine has just purchased one of these from america, but they seem easy enough to make.
Matt
Gailainne
26-07-2011, 19:24
Guys is'nt there a website that creates virtual US post boxes to help out with Us companies that wont post internationally?
I'm not bothering with spare liners. If they need drying out at night they can be worn like bed socks and they dry that way. Last time I was there we had Lundhags mid height ski march boots with no liner but a thick felt sole. We didn't have a spare liner then.
Forget the jetboil- it won't work. Kero is best but the burners are too heavy in general. A Petrol stove is a goer but make sure it can burn actual PETROL. They can take a while to pressurise. I'm taking a Meta 50 and a whitebox stove and my own pop can stove.
I'm taking the Coleman Peak stove that I was issued in Norway for Arctic training, runs perfectly well on unleaded petrol and it actually helped save my life once in a blizzard so I trust it completely!
As for boots, I don't see the need to spend loads of money on them, I'm just taking a pair of German mountain boots with felt insoles, two pairs of arctic issue socks, covered over with my Yeti Extrem Gaiters Did me well for five full Norway winters in the army, I think 6 days will be perfectly OK!
Chris the Cat
29-07-2011, 11:31
Just got the go ahead, looks like my wife is going to be ok and home in the next few weeks !
I can't tell you how relived I am .
I shall ring Becky ASAP.
My best.
Chris.
Chris the Cat
29-07-2011, 16:09
Hi All
Just a note to say even though we do have the minimum numbers for this expedition now please do not book any flights until the expedition go/no go date:15th January 2012, as it is possible that someone may pull out of the expedition before this date.
If you have any questions regarding the expedition please do not hesitate to contact me
Many thanks
Becky
Becky,
A question about this aspect if I may.
If you have the minimum numbers, all of whom have paid there deposit, is that not enought for the trip to be 'on ' ?
If not,then why are the deposits needed so far in advance ?
Would our deposit money not be better off in our accounts?
What about all the money and time spent on gear or meetups if you turn around on the 16th of Jan and say it is off ?
I had the best time EVER with Woody, Stanni , Ross and co. on last years trip , but when you had the numbers with their deposits paid the trip was ON !
I bought my ticket with 4 months to go and got a great price.
If flights are left untill 15.01.12 then we will be unable to get the best deals .
I hope you understand why I make these points, I shall get off the compy and try to give you another ring!
My best.
Chris.
Hi Chris,
Woody here, firstly apologies if you have been unable to get hold of Becky, we had a computer meltdown this week and she is up to her neck in it getting things back online.
In answer to your questions. The reason we cannot make the call yet is that both Tony and I have had our fingers severally burnt on previous courses put together for BCUK when people have said they are "definitely" up for this or that course and then not followed it through or have pulled out at the last moment when we have committed to run the course, consequently all parties were greatly out of pocket. By putting these courses and expeds together at these prices we have to take some risks with such a narrow over heads/cost/profit margin. (and I make no apologies for the fact that we are a commercial company and like Tony, are trying to make a living) but this is a two way thing, namely you guys are getting what we think is a good deal but by virtue of that you are not going to get a risk free alternative.
We do state that no one should buy equipment prior to these dates or book flights for this very reason .. That is to say, things could change, some one may have to pull out or cancel etc.
I don't feel there is anything to gain by purchasing equipment early and who knows you may get it cheaper in the winter sales! and to be blunt and too the point and I hope no one takes offense here but pre meets/get togethers etc are nice, but not necessary and are therefore naturally at your own discretion.
I agree booking flights early would be the ideal situation but we are in the same boat here, we too would like to book early but if a couple of people pull out and we have said the course is happening then we lose out again here.
I think two months is a reasonable middle of the road period prior to an expedition to be able to make the call, it still allows you to purchase and break in equipment and get a reasonable deal on flights. But the additional expense on pre meets is down to yourselves I am afraid.
I apologize if this sound blunt and business like but at the end of the day I think it is best to put the cards on the table and tell it how it is rather than be woolly about things.
I hope you can appreciate our position, we certainly appreciate yours and I hope that this answers your questions.
Always happy to discuss more if needed and looking forwards to seeing you out in the snow again,
Woody.
Chris the Cat
29-07-2011, 19:32
A helpful and full reply Woody.
I guess I was thinking that if the deposit was non-refundable that might take the worry out of things on both sides,
You could go ahead and book, and so could we.
I got your answer phone ( I hope ! it did not mention your company name ) shall I try again on Monday ?
My best to you all and the gang.
Chris.
I think that in a couple of months I will just book flights anyway and claim off of my insurance if it all goes lumpy bits up. If anyone sees any deal from Gatwick (or London airports) please share!
I'd be happy to pay the rest up front now then I can worry about getting the Kit , but I do appreciate what Woody is saying.
Hi All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
1.Widu33
2.wayland
3.teedee
4.skaus84
5.Greg
6.teepee
7JamesBentley
8.iceman81
9.I**C******
10.Chris the Cat
Chris the Cat
01-08-2011, 16:02
Happy to be fully on board at last!
Thanks Becky.
Chris.
I am tempted to get on board if you don't mind someone from the other side of the pond ;)
Tried to get an idea of the price of the flight but without success so far.
For UK residents, Tesco clubcard vouchers for Gatwick to Oslo (only) is £75 of vouchers inc taxes.
What the hell, I made the deposit. See you guys in the arctic :D
Hi All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
1.Widu33
2.wayland
3.teedee
4.skaus84
5.Greg
6.teepee
7JamesBentley
8.iceman81
9.I**C******
10.Chris the Cat
11.DUCKy
What the hell, I made the deposit. See you guys in the arctic :D
Fantastic- see you there!
Great news, see you in the white stuff D :)
Thanks for the info Widu, I'll look into that.
Chris the Cat
04-08-2011, 17:28
Has there been a kit list published yet ?
Chris.
Only on their website...
http://www.bushcraftexpeditions.com/kit-list.php?expeditions_id=2
Waterproof outer jacket. (ski wear is sufficient for this)
Waterproof outer trousers or saloppettes. (ski wear is sufficient for this)
Warm outdoor/work trousers (1 pair)
Warm outdoor shirts (1)
Fleece jacket
Large sweater
Cold weather hat preferably with ear protection
Cold weather mitts or gloves
Cold weather boots or walking type boots (large enough to be able to wear two pairs of thick socks with and not be tight /restrictive)
Thermal underwear (1 set)
Thick socks, preferably wool (2 pairs minimum)
Synthetic thin liner socks (2 pairs)
2nd lightweight wool hat or similar
Scarf or buff
Towel and swimming costume (for sauna)
Slippers or trainers for indoors/tents
Handkerchief (1)
Long belt (Preferably leather)
Equipment you will need to bring:
Large (70ltr+) rucksack capable of carrying all your equipment
Sleeping bag (four seasons for use in temperatures down to -15)
Insulated sleeping mat
Bivouac (Bivvi) bag
Head torch and spare batteries
Mug and spoon
1 Unbreakable plate, bowl or 'mess tin'
Small pocket knife
Small steel thermos type flask (optional)
Folding pruning saw
20 metres of strong nylon cord
Note book and pencil
Wash bag
Two candles (long life preferably)
Ski goggles or similar eye protection
Personal medications:
Lip salve
Sun block
Passport
European Health Insurance Card (EHIC)
Chris the Cat
04-08-2011, 18:26
I think that is the same as last years, when we stayed in Laarvu tents.
Guess it will be slightly different for the advanced, for a start we will be cooking our own meals and may well need more building
tools ( Shovels, wood saw , axes ) as we are creating our own shelters.
Thanks widu 13.
My best.
Chris.
Return tickets from Amsterdam to Oslo are only 99 euro with KLM so that is not too bad.
I have a pair of Baffin Doug Stoups In UK size 10 and Snow-sports in UK size 11, all brand new and first refusal to you guys on these courses before I hawk them on the Bay.
There was a kit list on the first post but it seems to have disappeared.
I have it printed out and it's much the same as the list just posted.
There is an Empire Canvas works Anorak for sale in the classifieds on BcUSA at the moment.
http://bushcraftusa.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=1025&title=empire-canvas-arcticanorak-price-lowered&cat=5
Good price too.
A thread here (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77788) about future possibilities that might interest people.
Just had a look and left a reply..brilliant idea Fella!
Chris the Cat
17-08-2011, 04:53
Any of you Cats able to make the Wilderness Gathering this year ?
I shall be there and thought it would be a good excuse to say hi and have a beer or a brew.
My best.
Chris.
Chris the Cat
17-08-2011, 14:40
Shame.
Another time maybe.
Anyone else ?
MB.
Chris.
Not going to be at the meet but will say hi right now and am drinking beer as we speak ;)
Hi All
The following is an official list of all those that have paid their deposits for this expedition and consequently represent the numbers so far:
1.Widu33
2.wayland
3.teedee
4.skaus84
5.Greg
6.teepee
7JamesBentley
8.iceman81
9.I**C******
10.Chris the Cat
11.DUCKy
12.imagedude
Hi All
As you all would have seen we now have the maximum numbers for the Advanced arctic expedition. Please do not book flights until the go/no go date in case we do have cancellations. If you anyone is still interested in this trip I will add you to the cancellation list and let you know if a place becomes available.
Becky
And don't forget we still want more people on the other Arctic Expedition (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68592).
Just think, two weeks of lovely white stuff if you're on both...
Imagedude
18-08-2011, 12:15
Hi All
As you all would have seen we now have the maximum numbers for the Advanced arctic expedition. Please do not book flights until the go/no go date in case we do have cancellations. If you anyone is still interested in this trip I will add you to the cancellation list and let you know if a place becomes available.
Becky
And don't forget we still want more people on the other Arctic Expedition (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68592).
Just think, two weeks of lovely white stuff if you're on both...
I'll be booking a place on the basic course too, so that will be four of us so far
Cool that we are fully booked!
Checked out the pictures from last years trip. Everybody looked so happy and snug :)
Couldn't resist ordering a small and medium Norgie Sweater (EDIT: and a ECW arctic anorak ;)) so I can try them on now that the winter is coming.....well almost.
Imagedude
18-08-2011, 21:56
Any of you Cats able to make the Wilderness Gathering this year ?
I shall be there and thought it would be a good excuse to say hi and have a beer or a brew.
My best.
Chris.
Nope, I don't do tradeshows.
Imagedude
22-08-2011, 20:40
What type of sleeping bag is recommended for this course?
I've got a 4/5 season down bag
I've got a 4 season Buffalo liner that could be used inside my 2/3 season down bag.
I could use my 2/3 season down bag inside my Buffalo Superbag.
I could buy a 5 season synthetic bag.
I could use both my Buffalo bags together.
Any suggestions gratefully received.
Chris the Cat
23-08-2011, 09:25
Nope, I don't do tradeshows.
Its much more than a trade show.
Chris the Cat
23-08-2011, 10:37
....Anyhow, to try and help.
I used a MOD issue arctic bag on last years course and found it just a little lacking.
( Sleeping in one set of wool base layer )
Things improved for me when I remembered to have my last hot drink a little nearer bed time and to do my star jumps just before getting into my sack to get my temp up.
Now as a gortex bivi bag is a must, your down 5 season bag will be a great choice and will be protected.
( Just re-read your post, I see it is a 4/5 season bag, I guess you know how warm it runs for you tho ! ?
I will be EITHER teaming up my arctic issue bag with a Snugpac Elite 3 or My Snugpack 12 ( Merlin? ) with the Elite 3.
I will check both setups for bulk, warmth and weight and then make a choice.
Hope this is of some use.
My best.
Chris.
I'm going to take a 5 season synthetic, either a Snugpak 5 season or a Montbell burrow and take my Blizzard bag as a backup to augment them.
I'm taking my Nanok -10 and lining it with either an Alpkit down bag or a Vango Synthetic, I haven't decided which yet, all inside a Brit Army bivi bag.
Imagedude
23-08-2011, 11:50
What are your thoughts on the Nanok Performance Fibre -30 or -45 bags?
I couldn't say, I've never used one but I'd say the rating of the -10 is fair.
I'm hoping my US issue set which claims to be good to -40 actually is! I'll have to get out this winter. Using it with an Exped 9DLX.
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The 'challenge' I see is dealing with a potentially wide temperature range and possibly some humidity. If only it were constantly dry and cold, or wet and medium cold, that would be much easier ;)
I am thinking a combi of either a down bag and synthetic overbag or two downbags in my army bivvy for warmth and versatility
Imagedude
29-08-2011, 14:51
The 'challenge' I see is dealing with a potentially wide temperature range and possibly some humidity. If only it were constantly dry and cold, or wet and medium cold, that would be much easier ;)
I am thinking a combi of either a down bag and synthetic overbag or two downbags in my army bivvy for warmth and versatility
This is why I won't be using a down bag, though I was thinking of buying an overbag to use with a 4 season down bag. However a new synthetic -30C bag is cheaper than the overbag!
Just throwing this out;
I've been checking flight prices around this courses dates. Flying with Norwegian to bardufoss on the correct dates is working out at around £500 and needs a change of plane in Oslo.
I've found the cheapest flight is arriving at Tromso early on the Thursday and leaving on the following tueday for around £175. This is a direct flight and no change is needed which is a big plus in my book, as if kit goes missing being changed planes, it'll be a royal PITA.
I'm seriously thinking of doing this and staying in a tent or my hammock to save some flight money, get acclimatised before the course(takes me a couple of days for my body to get used to the cold), possibly do some snowshoeing or skiing, see more of Norway and get to play in the snow for longer. :hatscarf:
Provisionally, is anyone else up for this?
Obviously, we would need to plan carefully with public transport and make sure that all efforts are made to avoid jeopardizing our course. :stretcher:
Pete. :camping:
Imagedude
29-08-2011, 15:03
Hopefully the basic course will be running a week earlier, if so, some of us will already be there. Perhaps it will be cheaper to drive there.
Like Imagedude I'm hoping to be on the basic course too and it's difficult to work out what I will be doing until I know what's happening with that.
I dearly hope the basic course goes ahead for you guys but if it doesn't and for those only on this one like me, this could be good.
Driving through Norway is loads slower than the UK, even in summer. 50mph max, lots of closed roads, ferries and having to go through europe as the UK-Norway ferry is closed. I'd dearly love to drive it in the winter but it would add a week at least and studded tyres would need adding to the cost. High fuel prices in Norway won't help either.
For me a KLM flight to Oslo seems the way to go. This is only 99 euro for the round trip. I would still need to get to bardufoss though, so would be up for a meet up with fellow participants in Oslo to do the final leg together.
Checking the schedules, we would need to be on the 09.00 flight from Oslo to Bardufoss (Norwegian Flight DY330) on the 11th to meet the RV time. I would be flying out from Amsterdam to Oslo on the 10th and stay over for the night. Return flight from Bardufoss on the 16th departure 15.30 (Norwegian Flight DY335) and from there I would go back to Amsterdam with KLM.
Total costs around 330 euro so that seems allright
Empire canvas jacket has come in. It sure is roomy. Plenty of space for my very own insulation layer :)
http://members.ziggo.nl/mijnfotos/empire/slides/P1050104.JPG
I must confess it looks better on my daughter ;)
http://members.ziggo.nl/mijnfotos/empire/slides/P1050103.JPG
For those that went last year- how much time will we spend around the fire? I ask this as I'm taking a Schott N3B parka in nylon which is nice and toasty but melty! Alternatively I have a heavyweight cotton military style parka from...NEXT (of all places) but no waterproofness at all but it won't melt.
I think this will be the first run of the advanced course so it is anyones guess. I for one am choosing spark resistant and rugged over warm and delicate.
Chris the Cat
15-09-2011, 18:56
For those that went last year- how much time will we spend around the fire? I ask this as I'm taking a Schott N3B parka in nylon which is nice and toasty but melty! Alternatively I have a heavyweight cotton military style parka from...NEXT (of all places) but no waterproofness at all but it won't melt.
Alot of time if last year is anything to go by!
Don't forget, there is no 'going in doors'
What about throwing a Swedish snow smock over the N3b ? They are huge, cotton and windproof ( and cheap !! )
Helps to keep nylon from snagging aswell as melting !
My best.
Chris.
Cheers Chris- we are thinking alike!
Imagedude
18-09-2011, 22:10
Which trousers should I take? From left to right we have fleece lined polycotton trousers, fleece salopettes, Buffalo Techlite salopettes, HH fibrepile salopettes, Brenig heavyweight pile/pertex salopettes.
http://photos.imageevent.com/imagedude/bcuk/large/IMG_0199.JPG
Chris the Cat
19-09-2011, 09:33
Have you got any arctic whites ( the trousers ) to go over them ? It may help.
I don't think that warmth will be an issue with any of them, however I seem to recall from last years trip
that some of the alpine gear, while doing a great job at keeping its owner warm, suffered from pulls
and snags, the odd tear or melt hole from spitting pine from all the fires.
Poly cotton seems to handle the rough stuff much better, so maybe the first pair ?
Hope this helps.
Chris.
Imagedude
19-09-2011, 19:49
Have you got any arctic whites ( the trousers ) to go over them ? It may help.
I may be tempted to invest in a pair if I can find a spare £8 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/US-Army-Arctic-issue-White-camouflage-over-trouses-L-R-/170546216401?pt=UK_Collectable s_Militaria_LE&hash=item27b558bdd1
PHD Summer sale is on. The high Mountain camp down bag looks good for arctic sleeping.
Drishell outer and in a bivvy bag should be good to go. What do you guys think?
You'd hope at those prices it'd go a lot colder!
http://www.phdesigns.co.uk/special-offers.php?cat=79
Agreed that they don't come cheap, but I don't think we will be looking at temps much colder than -35C or am I mistaken?
I think thats a good price for that bag, PHD stuff is good.
I'm sticking with synth, the last thing I want is wet down in a snow hole. Knowing me, I'm bound to spill at least one coffee in my bed.
I am counting on the fact that the bivvy bag and the drishell outer would shield against snow drippings and moisture. It should be able to take one coffee, but of course with down if you get it really wet, you are scre.......[piep]
I have thought about a synthetic outer and down inner, but too many coffees in the inner bag and you are back in trouble so I am not sure this helps a lot. Going all synthetic is the safest route, but will result in the biggest heaviest bags.
That rating will be fine. Must remember to tap you up for a loan ;)
I think thats a good price for that bag, PHD stuff is good.
I'm sticking with synth, the last thing I want is wet down in a snow hole. Knowing me, I'm bound to spill at least one coffee in my bed.
Teepee, are you taking a 5 season synthetic bag or are you using a combination of bags (liner/inner/outer)?
Imagedude
20-09-2011, 21:50
I've got a 4 season PHD bag which is great for Scottish winters but would prefer a big synthetic bag for the course. I've also tried the Buffalo Superbag but I was cold on a warm autumn night which was dissapointing.
A good 5 season synthetic bag like from Ajungilak comes in at 3-4 kilograms.....they look massive :eek:
Once you hauled it in, you should be safe and comfy though :)
Ducky-pleased to see your a fellow coffee spiller :)
I'm torn between 2 options; an Ajungilak Denali or nesting my 3 and 4 season bags and using my winter down hammock Underquilt as a top quilt if its below -25.
I'm hammocking either side of the course and I don't think relying on down completely is sensible for me-I want some insurance as I'll be by myself for a few days. I love down insulation though, its just soooo much nicer to sleep under.
My bivvy will also be my hammock-pertex top and heavy PU coated bottom with a velcro closure, all on CCF mats. This is my plan at the moment.
It looks like I'll be carrying the equivalent of a cow on my back :)
Teepee, I do love my coffee. More for drinking than for covering myself in it, but still I love it :)
If you bring the cow, I will do my favourite Francis Mallmann outdoor grilling recipe 'Vaca Entera' (all I need is someone who did a campcraft course to build the rack out of twigs). Cue some northern lights and some beers and we are in heaven :cool:
The Denali looks like the dogs b....
Teepee, I do love my coffee. More for drinking than for covering myself in it, but still I love it :)
If you bring the cow, I will do my favourite Francis Mallmann outdoor grilling recipe 'Vaca Entera' (all I need is someone who did a campcraft course to build the rack out of twigs). Cue some northern lights and some beers and we are in heaven :cool:
The Denali looks like the dogs b....
Sounds like a plan to me :)
Does anyone know if a cow is hand luggage or goes in the hold?
The Denali is the front runner at the moment. I've been testing the nesting of my synth bags tonight-although they fit together well, the zips will drive me mad after a few days of struggling to get them done up.
Am I missing them or are there not too many five season synthetic bags? When I search online I also get links to RAB bags, but they are down filled if I am not mistaken.
Plenty of 4 season bags. I tried some bag combinations out myself yesterday but must agree with teepee that multiple zippers is going to be a pain in the ....
Try looking for expedition bags too ;)
From memory- Ajungilak, Snugpak, Nanok and Exped make 5 season synth bags.
I really like the look of foam bags but haven't seen any in the flesh and reports of use seem none existent. Northern Outfitters use Vaetrex foam for their jackets so there must be big benefits to using it- their kit is well regarded.
I've seen a blog where a guy made all his kit for antarctica from supersoft EVA foam.
I've been trying to source some in the UK to play with some for DIYing kit, but can't find any.
I keep flip flopping about down / synth. but at the moment I'm mostly thinking synthetic for the sleeping bags.
I may end up with an Alpkit down bag inside my big synthetic Nanok though. Bivi on the outside of course.
Snip> Does anyone know if a cow is hand luggage or goes in the hold? <Snip
Give it a halter and you should be able to book it as snow equipment. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/mush.gif
Give it a halter and you should be able to book it as snow equipment. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/mush.gif
Snow steaks for the tarp, or padded sled? :)
Hows the zip on your Nanok, does it snag?
I haven't had a problem with it but there's always a first time.
I have just bought a surplus Dutch arctic sleeping bag that I am hoping will do the trick for the course. I got in it to test the fit and was sweating after 30 seconds! Same sort of design as the British issue bag, but twice as thick. That combined with a liner, Dutch army bivi bag and an Exped 9 down mat should just about keep me warm... I hope!!!
Would that be the M90 you just bought? It is an excellent bag but you will need a bit of space and muscle to carry it ;)
http://www.imsc.co.uk/archives/865
That's the one, got it off evilbay though. It certainly is heavy and bulky, but I don't think we will be lugging kit round much once we are over there so that sholdn't be a problem. It takes up about two thirds of the main compartment of my bergen uncompressed, so space is my only concern at the moment. If only I could get away with just taking my Softie 3, but I don't fancy having my dangly bits chopped off from frost bite (assuming I survived the hypothermia!).
My sleeping kit is going to take up 2/3 - 3/4 of the main compartment of my Crusader.
I'm relying heavily on my side pockets and mountain pack which I can hang marsupial like from the shoulder straps.
Imagedude
22-09-2011, 21:49
I've cut leg holes into my sleeping bag and will be wearing it babygro stylee on the plane.
Now why didn't I think of that?
so you guys will be looking something like this on the plane ....
http://www.exped.com/exped/web/exped_homepage_int.nsf/0/693fd98b853ae53dc12576dd002916 63/contentLeftTop/0.B4!OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
I've cut leg holes into my sleeping bag and will be wearing it babygro stylee on the plane.
:lmao::lmao::lmao:
I have settled on down with optional vpl
Note to self: "must not spill coffee or urinate in down bag" :rolleyes:
I can see a case of pack size envy coming on :)
I can see a case of pack size envy coming on :)
I can see synthetic filling envy coming on when we are up to our knees in coffee and snow slush ;)
If in the end this expedition doesn't continue as planned for some reason, we will have to organise a 'come as your favourite polar explorar or inuit' party instead.
Chris the Cat
27-09-2011, 17:02
I am going 'double synthetic ' Softi 12 ( Harrier ) With a Softie Elite 3 Inner.
My Issue arctic bag was not quite up to it on its own last year , guess I could put the Elite 3 inside the arctic bag !?? I
Think I shall do a ' bulk ' test.
My best.
Chris.
Imagedude
28-09-2011, 02:05
'Double bagging' may not prove to be as effective as you'd hope as the inner bag gets crushed and can not loft properly.
The Nanok -10 "Endurance" was designed for the military and is a bit bigger than most, so as an outer bag it does seem to allow that extra space for lofting an inner bag fortunately.
Chris the Cat
28-09-2011, 12:40
'Double bagging' may not prove to be as effective as you'd hope as the inner bag gets crushed and can not loft properly.
No choice! The Elite 3 is not a thick bag and I have had good results before.
I am not in a position to buy new bags !
Chris.
Well if peoples sleeping bags are not quite up to the challenge, I guess there is always the option of zipping compatible bags together and snuggling for warmth...
Now the only thing to decide is who will be the big spoon and who will be the little spoon!
This thread has gone awfully quiet, was it something I said!?
Nah.. We're just talking behind your back. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/winking0052.gif
I was unable to use the computer. I put on two norgie pullies (a medium over a small) and then the ECW anorak. Man that is toasty. Not too practical perhaps but it was fun (I hope nobody saw me :o)
Imagedude
02-10-2011, 13:52
so you guys will be looking something like this on the plane ....
http://www.exped.com/exped/web/exped_homepage_int.nsf/0/693fd98b853ae53dc12576dd002916 63/contentLeftTop/0.B4!OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Something exactly like this-
http://photos.imageevent.com/imagedude/bcuk/large/IMG_02281.JPG
Major loss of ozone in the Arctic.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15105747
I hope this will not affect the course!
Major loss of ozone in the Arctic.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15105747
I hope this will not affect the course!
We will try and mend it while we're there :D
Chris the Cat
17-10-2011, 09:05
Kit heads up for wool lovers !
I was in Endicatts on Saturday and Kev has some great Danish military wool trousers in, good size range as well ( up into the 40s I think ! )
Nice highish waist keep kidneys warm, add some buttons and braces, buy over sized and tuck all but your last two layers in, great quality too,
Nice and thick.
Also they have the ( Dutch ? ) wool Helly Hansen fleeces in again. I took one on my last arctic trip and shall be doing so again this year.
Light but very warm, good fuzzy airtrapping loft to these and the benefit of thumb holes in the long cuffs.
Hope this is of some interest.
My best.
Chris.
After all the Baffin boots I have seen mentioned, I thought I might mix it up a bit. I am going to give these boots from our german friends Seil Marschall a try on our little trip ;)
Still a bit old school but will hopefully keep my feet from turning into ice cubes.....
http://seil-marschall-shop.de/images/product_images/popup_images/139_0.jpg
They look good.
Do the liners come out for drying?
They look good.
Do the liners come out for drying?
Yes, the liners come out. Might ask if they can provide a spare liner so I can alternate.
forestwalker
18-10-2011, 18:27
My winter bag -- Carintia Survival One -- has sleeves and two way zippers (both of them, I love double zips as they make it less likely that you will be left with no working zipper). So it is possible to go around looking like an OD version of a Dr Who monster. Waving ones arms in a strange manner while running around in a disused quarry as one tries to turn Manchester into a toxic hellhole. And if it means getting killed by Leela it might all be worth it...
Kit heads up for wool lovers !
I was in Endicatts on Saturday and Kev has some great Danish military wool trousers in, good size range as well ( up into the 40s I think ! )
Nice highish waist keep kidneys warm, add some buttons and braces, buy over sized and tuck all but your last two layers in, great quality too,
Nice and thick.
Also they have the ( Dutch ? ) wool Helly Hansen fleeces in again. I took one on my last arctic trip and shall be doing so again this year.
Light but very warm, good fuzzy airtrapping loft to these and the benefit of thumb holes in the long cuffs.
Hope this is of some interest.
My best.
Chris.
Very Nice Chris!! , Very Nice!! You like getting your kit off then?
http://www.endicotts.co.uk/index.php?cPath=121&osCsid=48167754878f7a966edd9bd 018865198
He's wearing the Emperors thermals..... http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/signsandflags7.gif
Chris the Cat
19-10-2011, 15:36
Lol !!
Thats lunch time wine drinking for you chaps!
The wool stuff in good sizes is good news tho folks, but I guess most of you have your cold weather gear sorted ?
My best.
Chris.
Lol !!
Thats lunch time wine drinking for you chaps!
The wool stuff in good sizes is good news tho folks, but I guess most of you have your cold weather gear sorted ?
My best.
Chris.
I think you should have accessorised your 'look' with this little beauty...
http://www.endicotts.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=111&products_id=645
You'd have been the belle of the ball then.:rolleyes:
Imagedude
09-11-2011, 00:39
Would any of the attendees on this course be interested in going out to Norway for the week prior to this course for a mini adventure?
I could perhaps extend my trip to 10 days but if I go longer this might trigger a strike at home ;)
Would any of the attendees on this course be interested in going out to Norway for the week prior to this course for a mini adventure?
I'm there a few days before already, extending it a bit more is appealing
I could perhaps extend my trip to 10 days but if I go longer this might trigger a strike at home ;)
Thats all good, you wont have to deal with the strike if your in Norway and when you return from Norway with no nose or fingers, they'll forget about the striking anyway.
We'd be happy to 'Kidnap' you to give you a cover story:)
James Bentley
13-11-2011, 16:40
Hi Guys,
This is my first post. Im coming on the trip with Iceman and secret celebrity I**C*****.
Its my first time staying in such cold conditions so after some advice regarding the kit list.
1. Stove - was looking at somthing like the META 50 as recommended, which fuel is best to use in these conditions and easily available on arrival?
2. Sleeping bags - I dont have a 5 season bag so was considering hiring one. Any idea what these are like?
3. Boots - I have been lent a pair of Sorel Caribou boots, they are nice and roomy with two layers of socks, super warm. Will these do the job?
4. There is no mention of snow shovels on the kit list but i guess there will be quite a bit a bit of digging. I have a collapsable one, should i bring it along?
5. Head torch - I have a couple but are there certain batteries not to use?
6. Any recommendations on the bivi bag - I have seen the snugpak stratosphere bag which looks good for creating a warm space around your head.
James
Hi James
Can't help you about the stove, it's not one I've used, I'm going with Meths and hoping I can use a fire most of the time.
I've also no idea what the bags are like but hopefully one of the previous attendees can help out there.
The boots sound good, make sure you have plenty of spare socks as well.
Woody said that they provide some shovels but more are always welcome.
Lithium cells are supposed to be the best batteries in low temperatures and I'm just taking a British Army bivi bag as it seems to tick all the necessary boxes.
Hope some of that helps, welcome to the forum and I'll look forward to meeting you on the course or before if you can make it to the January meet up.
Hi James, pleased to meet you :)
I can't help you on a lot of the questions over what Wayland says.
Unleaded and meths are available over there from the local garage and shop apparently.
POLITE NOTICE
Guys,
A quick notice regards flight booking for this Expedition. A number of people have contacted the office asking if they can proceed and book flights.
As stated in the terms and conditions and Expedition description the go/no go date for the expedition is the 15th January. Between now and then all number of things could affect whether the Expedition runs, not just the lack of student numbers.
These measures are put in place to protect both the individual and the expedition providers. If some one wants to risk booking their flights before this date (to get a better deal) they do so completely at their own risk and niether BCUK nor Bushcraft Expeditions take any responsibility for any loss incurred as a result, should the expedition not take place.
Woody
Hi Guys,
This is my first post. Im coming on the trip with Iceman and secret celebrity I**C*****.
Its my first time staying in such cold conditions so after some advice regarding the kit list.
1. Stove - was looking at somthing like the META 50 as recommended, which fuel is best to use in these conditions and easily available on arrival?
2. Sleeping bags - I dont have a 5 season bag so was considering hiring one. Any idea what these are like?
3. Boots - I have been lent a pair of Sorel Caribou boots, they are nice and roomy with two layers of socks, super warm. Will these do the job?
4. There is no mention of snow shovels on the kit list but i guess there will be quite a bit a bit of digging. I have a collapsable one, should i bring it along?
5. Head torch - I have a couple but are there certain batteries not to use?
6. Any recommendations on the bivi bag - I have seen the snugpak stratosphere bag which looks good for creating a warm space around your head.
James
Hi James,
Not sure if you got your answers already, but hopefully I can give some tips atleast:
1. At (arctic) cold it takes quite a long time to cook anything with alcohol stoves. If picking up gas stove make sure that you get 4 season gas bottle. Best is petrol stove (unfortunately expensive), but also stoves like Kelly Kettle works pretty well too.
2. Sleeping bags, if not able to get 4/5 season one you can use 2 or 3 normal ones as layers. Works well!
3. Just make sure that you can move your toes in your boots, 1 - 2 layers woollen or thicker hiking socks and you should be fine!
5. Any better quality batteries are just fine, trick is to keep them warm (like inside your clothes) when not in use.
Just send me PM if feeling like asking something about arctic stuff! :)
Regards,
Arto
Would any of the attendees on this course be interested in going out to Norway for the week prior to this course for a mini adventure?
I'm still waiting (quite probably in vain) to see what is happening about the basic course.
If that is a non runner I will probably take the time anyway and do some photography over there.
I'm trying to work out if it's possible to book a lodge or cabin of some kind in the area which would make charging batteries and the like easier, but my Google-Fu is just not strong enough yet. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/4166.gif
Forestwalker (I think) suggested using a village hall, I thought that was a good idea. There are also the little shelters that they have in Scandinavia with half cover and a big firepit that may be a goer for a few days for some safe shelter.
Have you looked at the TEG (thermo-electric generation) chargers Gary? they work of a heat differential. Theres a company in Sweden that makes a trangia based charger and also some chinese units that you can use with a saucepan.
Investing in one would give you some freedom and may well work out cheaper than booking a cabin.
I've got some links if you're interested.
Sounds very interesting...
http://tegpower.com/pro2.htm
http://tegpower.com/pro1.htm
http://www.termo-gen.com/pdf/Thermoelectric_Mobile_Charger. pdf
http://www.biolitestove.com/CampStove.html I'll be getting one of these when they are finally released.
Heres a few Wayland, I remember something about the race to the pole using one of the termogen kettles to charge their comms equipment. Very cool.
forestwalker
28-11-2011, 04:20
Forestwalker (I think) suggested using a village hall, I thought that was a good idea. There are also the little shelters that they have in Scandinavia with half cover and a big firepit that may be a goer for a few days for some safe shelter.
If you ar a few a small village hall could be ok (they come in all sizes, from "seats 20-30" to "seats 140". The small end of stuff is the ideal for you lot (ask one or the Norwegian people here for help), and is likely tob e found in the tiny villages in the back end of nowhere. There is also B&B, of course.
Imagedude
28-11-2011, 10:04
I'm still waiting (quite probably in vain) to see what is happening about the basic course.
If that is a non runner I will probably take the time anyway and do some photography over there.
I'm trying to work out if it's possible to book a lodge or cabin of some kind in the area which would make charging batteries and the like easier, but my Google-Fu is just not strong enough yet. http://www.wayland.me.uk/assets/images/4166.gif
I found a few 4 berth cabins but they were rather spendy.
How spendy is spendy?
I may have a course fee available and just being there is my objective.
Imagedude
29-11-2011, 16:33
How spendy is spendy?
I may have a course fee available and just being there is my objective.
http://www.ballangen-camping.no/nor/index-e.html
That's not bad if we can split it between a few of us. We only need basic facilities and a bed space really.
I think we need to know how many would be interested and then we can look around to see what we can find.
Imagedude
29-11-2011, 16:57
I think about 4 people expressed an interest when I last asked.
Cabin C works out at about £13 each per night then or cabin B about £21.5
There are others places in the Bardufoss area (http://www.norwegen-reise.com/en/norway/camping/at/bardufoss.26.5.html) which are probably not far off the same price as well but I can't work out my way around the websites
I'm definitley up for sharing a cabin. At those prices, I think its a good idea and I'm in. However....
After checking the norwegian air site and seeing my flights have gone up and only one seat is left, its left me with a tiny turtlehead and i'm itching to book the flights tonight or asap. Im going to norway in march whether the course happens or not.
Edit; I had a another look and theres a few other flights that arent booked up yet that aren't too much more. The thought of spending a few days with a bed and somewhere safe to sleep if the weather comes in, along with getting to know a few of you guys before the course appeals. I just cant justify the extra £550 for the basic course too unfortunately, even though I'd love to. It would mean cancelling more work aswell.
I can fly out on Tues 6th and share a cabin, or get out there later on the 8th to fend for myself til the course starts. What do you guys think?
If its very likely that people are up for a cabin or at least something , I'll book the earlier one and take the risk of the extra 2 days out there.
Those are good prices, no more that you would pay for similar chalets on a UK camp site.
As a plan B I am up for sharing a cabin. I could fly in a few days before the scheduled course date, but can't add a week.
I would be looking at being in Norway from the 8th to the 16th March. Perhaps we can work something out.
As a plan B I am up for sharing a cabin. I could fly in a few days before the scheduled course date, but can't add a week.
I would be looking at being in Norway from the 8th to the 16th March. Perhaps we can work something out.
Ducky, we seem to be shooting from the same side. The other guys are obviously waiting to find out about the basic but we could probably get something sorted and leave an open ticket for the other guys to join?
I could stretch to splitting a cabin 2 ways for a few days if the basic goes ahead as I hope it does. Best case scenario is that ID and Wayland book the preceeeding days and we meet them at the cabin. Worst case scenario is for the cabin to be booked up before we get there and ID and Wayland have to find other accomodation for all of the week, or part of it before they meet us at the cabin.
3 days of Arctic BBQ'ing and hopefully some ice fishing/skiing before the course should help acclimatise.
I could stretch to splitting a cabin 2 ways for a few days if the basic goes ahead as I hope it does. Best case scenario is that ID and Wayland book the preceeeding days and we meet them at the cabin. Worst case scenario is for the cabin to be booked up before we get there and ID and Wayland have to find other accomodation for all of the week, or part of it before they meet us at the cabin.
3 days of Arctic BBQ'ing and hopefully some ice fishing/skiing before the course should help acclimatise.
If we could arrange a cabin for the days prior to the advanced course with an option to extend if the course doesn't run, that would be great.
Were covered all ways then, sounds like a plan to me. Time to book the flights then :)
I'll try and get the 8th march flight, it gets in to Bardufoss in the evening with Norwegian from Oslo Gardermoen.
What time would you be at Oslo? Perhaps we can fly the last leg together.
It gets to BDU at 19.30, gets to Oslo at 12.20.
Imagedude
18-12-2011, 03:43
Another option is to join the Norwegian Trekking Association (http://www.turistforeningen.no/english/index.php?fo_id=3606)and use their cabins.
Chris the Cat
20-12-2011, 18:12
Having a hard time finding flights for this trip folks!
I am NOT a frequent flyer, so any advice would be great !
I am traveling from Somerset so am thinking LHR Airport ( thats were I flew from last time )
Not sure how to piece the flights together, I can bearly think straight this year has been ( is ) so hard.
ANY ideas ?
Thanks.
Chris
Imagedude
20-12-2011, 19:36
I'm not going to start looking at flights (or ferrys) until the 16th.
Chris the Cat
20-12-2011, 19:40
I wish I could remain as calm as you about it Id !
( maybe that IS the way to go tho! ... )
Chris.
Well if none of us can get there because we've been unable to book flights before the go date I guess it will be Woody's problem too.
Imagedude
20-12-2011, 22:11
As Woody wrote elsewhere-
As stated in the terms and conditions and Expedition description the go/no go date for the expedition is the 15th January. Between now and then all number of things could affect whether the Expedition runs, not just the lack of student numbers.
These measures are put in place to protect both the individual and the expedition providers. If some one wants to risk booking their flights before this date (to get a better deal) they do so completely at their own risk and niether BCUK nor Bushcraft Expeditions take any responsibility for any loss incurred as a result, should the expedition not take place.
Woody
The terms and conditions are very specific on this issue, however the bit about this being a measure to protect both the provider and attendees doesn't ring true with me.
Into_the_wild
20-12-2011, 23:03
Hi, without me having to look through all the posts, could anyone tell me the current situation with this course please, I have just joined, It looks Interesting. Thanks
As far as I can see, the current status (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68556&page=4&p=946985#post946985) is that enough people have signed up but Bushcraft Expeditions have not yet confirmed that it will go ahead in keeping with their conditions. There may still be room if the numbers change.
There are still places available on the basic course (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68592) and more confirmed people are needed on that to fill the numbers.
Into_the_wild
21-12-2011, 14:29
Thanks for the reply Wayland
Hi Into_the_wild
I do have a cancellation waiting list so if you would like me to add you to this list I would be more than happy to do so, please let me know.
Becky
Bushcraft Expeditions
Into_the_wild
22-12-2011, 17:22
Hi Into_the_wild
I do have a cancellation waiting list so if you would like me to add you to this list I would be more than happy to do so, please let me know.
Becky
Bushcraft Expeditions
Hi Becky
Yes Could you add me to the waiting list Please. It doesnt look like the other arctic exped will go ahead does it, what are the min
numbers for that, 15 was it?
Shane
Imagedude
22-12-2011, 17:38
How many are on the reserve list? Perhaps they could do the course a week early, their numbers combined with the 'basic 5' may make it viable.
Into_the_wild
22-12-2011, 17:59
How many are on the reserve list? Perhaps they could do the course a week early, their numbers combined with the 'basic 5' may make it viable.
I would go on the Basic course, I will pay my deposit sometime over Xmas/New year (Im still waiting to be paid, just spent all my spare cash today on Xmas shopping)
Maybe we can get a show of hands for the people who are interested in the Basic but have yet to pay a deposit & also people who are on the Advanced reserve list who would consider the Basic course. Then maybe that will make it viable, I wonder if BE would consider slightly lower numbers to make the Basic course happen. Although I can understand that the margin is probably low already.
Hi Into_the_wild I have added you to the cancellation list, you are currently the only one on there at the moment.The minimum numbers for the basic arctic course are 15.
Becky
Becky , Will the Advanced course be run REGARDLESS of the minimum numbers being reached for the basic course?
That is what I have been wondering.